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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 29, 2023 17:24:09 GMT -8
In a game we had trouble scoring, Gardiner gets just 17 minutes (and still scored 9 points). She only had 2 fouls. Help me understand why you wouldn’t play her 30 minutes. I do get the angst about Mannen playing 35 minutes since she’s referred to as a point guard….and only had 4 points w zero assists. The only thing I can think of is she might still be on a minutes limit coming off the injury. If that’s not the case, she needs lots more time. |
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Post by beavblvr on Jan 29, 2023 17:35:20 GMT -8
Disappointed for sure with the two losses this weekend, but this very young team played a heck of a game against Stanford, and had one of the best teams in the nation on the ropes. Not having AJ this weekend really hurt us— her drive and jump shot ability was missed, as well as having that athletic lengthy guard on D. But can’t make excuses with injuries, I think the overall inexperience is costing this team in terms of finishing games and putting teams away when we have a decent lead.
Agree with those posts saying Times and Raegan should be getting more minutes— that really does need to change! But in the Cal game Raegan was out with foul trouble with the limited minutes she played! I will say that I am getting a little frustrated that our bigs (mostly Raegan) get fouls called on them when players just fall down after running into them (Pac-12 refs should really watch some replays and see what they are calling!)
I know this young team is even more disappointed than us in this chat with the outcome of the weekend, and thus I will keep watching and rooting to see how they respond to what is going to be another tough upcoming weekend in PAC-12 play (ranked Utah and Colorado next). They will keep learning and fighting for wins, and hoping the confines of a noisy Gill will aid in a couple of upsets!
Hoping AJ gets healthy and Raegan and Timea stay out of foul trouble and get more PT. Go Beavs
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Post by skyrider on Jan 29, 2023 17:47:26 GMT -8
What in the world is Coach Rueck doing. Is he not aware that players on the team know who the most talented team mates are?
This team is not going anywhere this season in terms of wins and losses, and it will not be going anywhere but down in the future if Coach Rueck does not play the best players on the team(i.e. Gardiner and Beers) as many minutes as possible.
Somehow he even managed to figure out a way for TVO to not improve this year but actually decline.
His current strategy will likely have both of them transferring for more playing time and probably bigger $$$.
Coach Rueck is coaching like he did a George Fox years ago when transfers were almost non-existent and money was not a consideration.
It is sad to see such an excellent program crash and burn but the evidence seems very clear.
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Post by grayman on Jan 29, 2023 17:48:16 GMT -8
Agree on TVO and to an extent on Yeaney, but Yeaney might be the Beavers' best player right now and she has been hitting the occasional perimeter shot. But she has become very effective at driving to the basket for layins. It would help quite a bit if she had the knack to kick the ball out for open 3s but that assumes that someone is going to be open. The bigger problem is TVO is missing way too many shots. Agree with you on how Bendu has been playing, however the issue when running the offense is the spacing disruption when she’s not guarded outside the arc, especially on the high P&R. Defenders just go under and that adds to the lack of spacing in the paint for the bigs. Hopefully she can continue to get downhill and continue to make shots. It’s just frustrating because there are some good pieces on this team, just not sure they all fit together right. Yeah, I get it and the ability to collapse down on Beers (in particular) has really damaged the offense. But if Yeaney is able to break down the defense by taking the ball to the basket for points, that's a good way to deal with the problem, or at least alleviate it to a degree. Again, if TVO was hitting shots like she has in the past, it would help open everything up as well. The problem with this type of offense is it requires multiple working parts to be effective and there were breakdowns in multiple areas in this game. |
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Post by osu82 on Jan 29, 2023 18:37:15 GMT -8
Our two lead guards both just have a fatal flaw. TVO doesn’t have the quickness to just blow by people with her right hand, and her left hand just isn’t good enough of a counter yet. Bendu has the quickness, but the lack of respect for her jumpshot just kills your spacing, which is so tough when you are trying to get the ball inside. I think we are making things harder on ourselves with some lineup decisions, but especially offensively I think this is where our problems start. Agree on TVO and to an extent on Yeaney, but Yeaney might be the Beavers' best player right now and she has been hitting the occasional perimeter shot. But she has become very effective at driving to the basket for layins. It would help quite a bit if she had the knack to kick the ball out for open 3s but that assumes that someone is going to be open. The bigger problem is TVO is missing way too many shots. TvO is just putting up a lot of forced, tough shots. Not sure if she feels pressure to score on her “touches”, or partly the screen game is not creating high quality shots for her. Air balls, shots get blocked, etc. She clearly struggled this weekend. If she’s squared up and has a bit of daylight she has NBA 3 pt range and is a decent percentage shooter. I see her shooting on the season is now less than 40%. Hopefully, she gets it going. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 29, 2023 20:09:15 GMT -8
Wouldn't have guessed the men's team would be looking the better of the two at this point in the season, but here we are.
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bmoc
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Post by bmoc on Jan 29, 2023 20:20:44 GMT -8
Our opponents know that in a pinch we are trying to get the ball to Talia. We continue to force the issue without releasing to any other player to our detriment. It makes it very easy to defend. I'm extremely disappointed with this loss, but I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. We have a home stand next weekend against some very tough competition.....just like we did against UCLA and tsdtr. Not ready to throw in the towel by a long shot. It bet our team isn't ready either.
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beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 29, 2023 20:45:01 GMT -8
AJ does have an ankle sprain. In a boot.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 30, 2023 7:11:11 GMT -8
Tough weekend. So many quality posts in this thread. I'm not giving up on this team, even though the post season may be in the rear view mirror. I hope coach is reading what everyone is posting. Even though some are very negative, I hope coach knows it is because Beaver WBB Fans love their team!
Let's hope coach does the following:
1. Plays our best players more minutes, specifically Beers & Gardiner. It would be a bonus if they started from this point forward
2. We'll have to wait until next season to see if our guard play is going to get better with our two incoming freshmen guards (and perhaps a portal guard). Our best teams have had quality shooters, penetrators, and guards that could break down the defense. Let's give Marta some minutes as she has demonstrated she can do both
3. Don't be so predictable....everyone knows that coach is going to give TvO the ball in Q4 crunch time. TvO had Mitrovic wide open with Curry guarding her and didn't see her as all 4 other Cal players converged on her. Maybe coach has no confidence in anyone else, but Cal knew exactly what OSU was going to do in that situation. Try something new.
4. I heard that Kat Tudor was on the radio broadcast (one of the best OSU players in our history). Why can't coach develop plays for TvO like he did for Kat? Running TvO off multiple screens to get her clean 3-point shots? Quit trying to make TvO into a Destiny Slocum type player.
5. Bendu has to take those open shots at this point in the season. Cal sagged off of her to double our BIGs. Coach has to encourage Bendu to make the opposition respect her mid-range and 3-point shooting. We had many turnovers forcing balls into our BIGs instead of taking wide open shots.
6. Our line-ups vs opposing teams line-ups are very confusing sometimes. It seems we believe we can take advantage of smaller line-ups with a very BIG line-up. In the Cal game their small line-up really hurt us as Cal's quickness had the advantage causing turnovers and points off of turnovers. Sometimes you have to match up to your opposition's line-up on the floor, not the other way around.
The game against Cal was difficult to watch, but the coaches (not the players) need to watch the game film and it is the coaches that need to make adjustments.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 30, 2023 7:24:26 GMT -8
Tough weekend. So many quality posts in this thread. I'm not giving up on this team, even though the post season may be in the rear view mirror. I hope coach is reading what everyone is posting. Even though some are very negative, I hope coach knows it is because Beaver WBB Fans love their team! Let's hope coach does the following: 1. Plays our best players more minutes, specifically Beers & Gardiner. It would be a bonus if they started from this point forward 2. We'll have to wait until next season to see if our guard play is going to get better with our two incoming freshmen guards (and perhaps a portal guard). Our best teams have had quality shooters, penetrators, and guards that could break down the defense. Let's give Marta some minutes as she has demonstrated she can do both 3. Don't be so predictable....everyone knows that coach is going to give TvO the ball in Q4 crunch time. TvO had Mitrovic wide open with Curry guarding her and didn't see her as all 4 other Cal players converged on her. Maybe coach has no confidence in anyone else, but Cal knew exactly what OSU was going to do in that situation. Try something new. 4. I heard that Kat Tudor was on the radio broadcast (one of the best OSU players in our history). Why can't coach develop plays for TvO like he did for Kat? Running TvO off multiple screens to get her clean 3-point shots? Quit trying to make TvO into a Destiny Slocum type player. 5. Bendu has to take those open shots at this point in the season. Cal sagged off of her to double our BIGs. Coach has to encourage Bendu to make the opposition respect her mid-range and 3-point shooting. We had many turnovers forcing balls into our BIGs instead of taking wide open shots. 6. Our line-ups vs opposing teams line-ups are very confusing sometimes. It seems we believe we can take advantage of smaller line-ups with a very BIG line-up. In the Cal game their small line-up really hurt us as Cal's quickness had the advantage causing turnovers and points off of turnovers. Sometimes you have to match up to your opposition's line-up on the floor, not the other way around. The game against Cal was difficult to watch, but the coaches (not the players) need to watch the game film and it is the coaches that need to make adjustments. I agree. But the first step would be for the head coach to know he has to change things. I don't think he is capable of that. |
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Post by ag87 on Jan 30, 2023 8:25:28 GMT -8
In Rueck's mind we don't need a point guard. He is the point guard. And he is not recruiting players that can win with the style of play he wants. I didn't watch much or even at all when his team was winning but clearly things have changed.
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orman58
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Post by orman58 on Jan 30, 2023 9:14:37 GMT -8
I think you are correct Sophmore. He has to call every play and defense. Notice how many times on TV TVO crossed the center line looking at Rueck not the players to see where to attack. Everytime.
To me it is why people like Greta left. I remember one play last year TVO forces a turnover in backcourt on which Greta took off and TVO threw a down court pass to her. She then drove into the single defender and had a layup.
We won and in the post game SR laughed and said he almost called a time out to set up a play, on a breakaway! Anybody who has played at any level including recreational knows it's a fun game when you can run and feel the flow of the game. Players will stay where it is FUN. Look at the joy they showed beating the ducks.
The women's game is becoming like the men's, its about the players. I read a comment from Ralph Miller that said he was like a professor who taught during the week and the games were the players test, not his. That was 50 years ago.
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Post by lotrader on Jan 30, 2023 11:53:55 GMT -8
Nice quote from the great Ralph Miller: "He was like a professor who taught during the week and the games were the players test, not his."
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Post by jimbob on Jan 30, 2023 20:45:33 GMT -8
Tough weekend. So many quality posts in this thread. I'm not giving up on this team, even though the post season may be in the rear view mirror. I hope coach is reading what everyone is posting. Even though some are very negative, I hope coach knows it is because Beaver WBB Fans love their team! Let's hope coach does the following: 1. Plays our best players more minutes, specifically Beers & Gardiner. It would be a bonus if they started from this point forward 2. We'll have to wait until next season to see if our guard play is going to get better with our two incoming freshmen guards (and perhaps a portal guard). Our best teams have had quality shooters, penetrators, and guards that could break down the defense. Let's give Marta some minutes as she has demonstrated she can do both 3. Don't be so predictable....everyone knows that coach is going to give TvO the ball in Q4 crunch time. TvO had Mitrovic wide open with Curry guarding her and didn't see her as all 4 other Cal players converged on her. Maybe coach has no confidence in anyone else, but Cal knew exactly what OSU was going to do in that situation. Try something new. 4. I heard that Kat Tudor was on the radio broadcast (one of the best OSU players in our history). Why can't coach develop plays for TvO like he did for Kat? Running TvO off multiple screens to get her clean 3-point shots? Quit trying to make TvO into a Destiny Slocum type player. 5. Bendu has to take those open shots at this point in the season. Cal sagged off of her to double our BIGs. Coach has to encourage Bendu to make the opposition respect her mid-range and 3-point shooting. We had many turnovers forcing balls into our BIGs instead of taking wide open shots. 6. Our line-ups vs opposing teams line-ups are very confusing sometimes. It seems we believe we can take advantage of smaller line-ups with a very BIG line-up. In the Cal game their small line-up really hurt us as Cal's quickness had the advantage causing turnovers and points off of turnovers. Sometimes you have to match up to your opposition's line-up on the floor, not the other way around. The game against Cal was difficult to watch, but the coaches (not the players) need to watch the game film and it is the coaches that need to make adjustments. Excellent well thought out post lotrader....I agree with all 6 of your points....I do have to give the coach credit for a good adjustment on his final play call with 5 seconds left....finally instead of going to TVO which Cal had a defender glued to her the entire game--(which by the way was good defensive strategy by Cal) he drew up a play for Bendu to drive it to the basket which almost worked--she got a decent shot up but unfortunately missed and RB got the rebound and appeared to get fouled but unfortunately time expired a split second before she was fouled. I thought it was a good play call for 4 reasons: 1-- it didn't go to TVO which Cal was ready for, 2--Bendu could have made that shot, 3--Bendu could have got fouled on that drive & or in the process of shooting putting her on the line, and 4--if she misses everyone is crashing the boards for a putback which almost happened with RB.....So that was a good call and a good try in that situation. Finally I would say that it really wasn't that unexpected losing to Cal on their home court despite their 1-8 conf. record they are a decent team with some good players and they are improving having only lost to AZ by 7, UO by 5, and Stanford by 4 in the last month. And I would say they have a good coach based on the smart defensive strategy they used against us to win that game. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 31, 2023 0:49:19 GMT -8
Both win streaks against UW and Cali down the drain. But there are some real odd commentaries going on.
"Why isn't Rueck playing Beers and Timea more?" Because they are Freshies and he is playing them as much as they are able.
"Why isn't Rueck starting Beers and Timea? Because they have limits to their stamina and he wants to play them when he thinks it will help the most.
"Why did he/didn't he play the Freshie guards?" He didn't play them against Stanford because he was trying to win the game. He did play them against Cali because the other players were pooped from playing so many minutes in a tough game against Stanford.
The announcers for the game were way more sympathetic to our posts than their supposed fans have been. Cali players were pushing off to get rebounds all game and that was brought up by the announcers with something like "I wondered when the refs were going to call that" when Onyiah was finally called on it. Cali as a team have not been good rebounders and yet they matched the Beav's, the 15th best defensive rebounders in the country. Huh, I wonder how that happened?
The Cali players were lying on our posts all game, and when our guys moved the Cali players would fly back and the refs would call a foul on the Beav's. Cali played smart to get the win, based on the refs being idiots.
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