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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 31, 2022 8:06:52 GMT -8
8-5. 8 -0 against the likes of Seattle u, eastern Washington, Jackson state, etc.. 0-5 against power 5 teams losing by an average of 16. Bluntly This team is not very good. Can't shoot, too slow on D, and has missed out on getting a prime top point guard over the past few years resulting in bad ball handling. TVO is struggling because she knows and more important the other team knows she is it for the outside offense. Play the freshmen and look to next year,
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Post by sparty on Dec 31, 2022 8:15:58 GMT -8
8-5. 8 -0 against the likes of Seattle u, eastern Washington, Jackson state, etc.. 0-5 against power 5 teams losing by an average of 16. Bluntly This team is not very good. Can't shoot, too slow on D, and has missed out on getting a prime top point guard over the past few years resulting in bad ball handling. TVO is struggling because she knows and more important the other team knows she is it for the outside offense. Play the freshmen and look to next year, Not in Scotts DNA. He will put the ones on the floor that give him the best chance to win from here on out. If it is a freshmen then so be it. You just say to the others, "your now done for the year , now sit?" Sure that would go over real well. |
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Post by lotrader on Dec 31, 2022 8:21:09 GMT -8
8-5. 8 -0 against the likes of Seattle u, eastern Washington, Jackson state, etc.. 0-5 against power 5 teams losing by an average of 16. Bluntly This team is not very good. Can't shoot, too slow on D, and has missed out on getting a prime top point guard over the past few years resulting in bad ball handling. TVO is struggling because she knows and more important the other team knows she is it for the outside offense. Play the freshmen and look to next year, Not in Scotts DNA. He will put the ones on the floor that give him the best chance to win from here on out. If it is a freshmen then so be it. You just say to the others, "your now done for the year , now sit?" Sure that would go over real well. So if your the head coach, how many consecutive PAC-12 losses before you look to next year and make the decision to give the freshmen and 2nd year players the majority of the minutes? |
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Post by osu82 on Dec 31, 2022 9:50:59 GMT -8
OSU’s “best win” to date has been Jackson State at NET #93, at home (OSU NET #64). It’s hard to see OSU matching up with UCLA this next game, nor UA at McHale. ASU’s NET is #119, so that’s a possible W, but being on the road probably makes that a toss-up.
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Post by sparty on Dec 31, 2022 10:52:11 GMT -8
Not in Scotts DNA. He will put the ones on the floor that give him the best chance to win from here on out. If it is a freshmen then so be it. You just say to the others, "your now done for the year , now sit?" Sure that would go over real well. So if your the head coach, how many consecutive PAC-12 losses before you look to next year and make the decision to give the freshmen and 2nd year players the majority of the minutes? That is a question someone will need to ask the coach. The media will just throw softballs in asking the hard questions. Not defending Scott at all just don’t see that in his DNA so hopefully he proves me wrong at some point starting with UCLA on Sunday |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 31, 2022 11:24:07 GMT -8
When rueck became coach Utah, wsu, Arizona, Colorado, and even oregon weren't good. They have all improved. They were once "easy" wins.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 31, 2022 11:55:05 GMT -8
Not in Scotts DNA. He will put the ones on the floor that give him the best chance to win from here on out. If it is a freshmen then so be it. You just say to the others, "your now done for the year , now sit?" Sure that would go over real well. So if your the head coach, how many consecutive PAC-12 losses before you look to next year and make the decision to give the freshmen and 2nd year players the majority of the minutes? So you mean don't play Mannen, Bendu and Lex. I'd agree that it seems like Mannen is getting a lot of minutes. Is she the best return on those minutes from the team? Maybe. But I think she's about hit the ceiling on her abilities and you want the team to get better. I don't think it's going to come from her. Bendu was the starting guard on a team that was one point away from a national championship. What's going on with her this year I don't know. Give up on her? Lex is playing about as well as anyone on the team right now and is only a junior. So giving up on her seems a little....absurd. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 31, 2022 12:13:11 GMT -8
Be honest mannen wouldn't play if she was on an above average team. She tries hard but that's it. Its what happens when you can't recruit a top level even an above average point guard. I'd give her minutes to the two freshmen guards.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 31, 2022 12:29:56 GMT -8
When rueck became coach Utah, wsu, Arizona, Colorado, and even oregon weren't good. They have all improved. They were once "easy" wins. UCLA and Stanford have always been good. We used to be able to sometimes beat them as well. We aren’t the same ballpark as those programs right now. It’s pretty disheartening. OSU Wbb has so many advantages, particularly its level of fan support. We really should not have fallen this far, even with some bad luck. |
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Post by skyrider on Dec 31, 2022 12:40:12 GMT -8
Very discouraging to see the steep decline in the quality of the recent Beaver teams.
It appears to me that something is seriously wrong with the team chemistry and the team coaching.
Given the way the men's program has been handled by the Athletic Director we can be virtually assured that Coach Rueck will be the coach for as long as he wishes to be there.
So we as fans can only hope he makes changes in recruiting, player development, practice and game coaching. So far all we seem to be hearing from him is a lot of Coach talk (cliches, rationalizations, etc).
We have two really good players who are being wasted. Talia because she is the only real outside scoring threat gets double and triple teamed and our new center who is terrific but all her efforts are not enough to overcome the poor shooting of the rest of the group.
I hope I am wrong but this appears to a rapid descent toward the PAC 12 basement!
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Post by grayman on Dec 31, 2022 12:54:10 GMT -8
So if your the head coach, how many consecutive PAC-12 losses before you look to next year and make the decision to give the freshmen and 2nd year players the majority of the minutes? So you mean don't play Mannen, Bendu and Lex. I'd agree that it seems like Mannen is getting a lot of minutes. Is she the best return on those minutes from the team? Maybe. But I think she's about hit the ceiling on her abilities and you want the team to get better. I don't think it's going to come from her. Bendu was the starting guard on a team that was one point away from a national championship. What's going on with her this year I don't know. Give up on her? Lex is playing about as well as anyone on the team right now and is only a junior. So giving up on her seems a little....absurd. Yeah, SR is already giving a lot of minutes to freshmen Beers and Pietsch. Mit, TVO and Marotte are all sophomores and have gotten a lot of court time. Pretty sure Timea will get a lot of playing time once she gets back on the court and on track. So basically Rueck is supposed to play Blacklock and Hansford a lot because that's the key to getting ready for next year... Bendu's issue has been lack of offense, not overall play. And she adds quickness that this team needs badly. So does Aaron and as has been pointed out, is playing really well. Mannen probably plays too much, but if you watch her, it's obvious she does a lot of the little things that others might let slip by and her energy level is always high. She's pretty decent on defense, generally makes smart passes and is a pretty good ballhandler. Just not much offensive output. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 31, 2022 13:16:41 GMT -8
I've said this before coincidence maybe but when two assistant coaches left the decline started.
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Post by grayman on Dec 31, 2022 13:44:59 GMT -8
Very discouraging to see the steep decline in the quality of the recent Beaver teams. It appears to me that something is seriously wrong with the team chemistry and the team coaching. Given the way the men's program has been handled by the Athletic Director we can be virtually assured that Coach Rueck will be the coach for as long as he wishes to be there. So we as fans can only hope he makes changes in recruiting, player development, practice and game coaching. So far all we seem to be hearing from him is a lot of Coach talk (cliches, rationalizations, etc). We have two really good players who are being wasted. Talia because she is the only real outside scoring threat gets double and triple teamed and our new center who is terrific but all her efforts are not enough to overcome the poor shooting of the rest of the group. I hope I am wrong but this appears to a rapid descent toward the PAC 12 basement! I believe that Rueck needs to change his philosophy in general to be able to compete in today's college women's basketball landscape, which changed drastically in recent years, but that's not going to happen. The next best thing would be for Rueck to figure out a way to land a top point guard. IMO, at least part of the reason this has been an issue is Rueck and his offensive philosophy. I think PG recruits are made very aware of OSU's downside by opposing recruiters. It's not difficult for potential PG recruits to look at OSU's recent history at the position and think that there's a problem. He was able to hit on moving 2 guards to the spot in the past, but that has not worked as well with so many programs building dynamic, uptempo offenses with speedy, athletic players. It's a big reason why TVO can't play the position without struggling. Having said all that, I do think Rueck has tried to rectify the situation in the last couple of years. He brought in Tea Adams and now has Yeaney and Pietsch. I think he figured that those players would work out, but the success rate has not been outstanding, although all three have had moments of good play. Landing a at least one, preferably two, good points would definitely improve the offense. The inside game with Beers and Mit would benefit and it would result in more open looks from the perimeter (assuming that players other than TVO start knocking down 3s). Going along with adding a point guard, I think Rueck needs to continue to add speed and quickness to the team. |
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Post by jdogge on Dec 31, 2022 14:13:31 GMT -8
8-5. 8 -0 against the likes of Seattle u, eastern Washington, Jackson state, etc.. 0-5 against power 5 teams losing by an average of 16. Bluntly This team is not very good. Can't shoot, too slow on D, and has missed out on getting a prime top point guard over the past few years resulting in bad ball handling. TVO is struggling because she knows and more important the other team knows she is it for the outside offense. Play the freshmen and look to next year, Your expectations are unreasonable. We returned 4 --- FOUR -- from last year. We are a very young team. The freshwomen are making the adjustment from high school to D1. They were recruited because of their talent. Now they're learning what it means to play D1 basketball. We are playing without the number three high school player. Marta, Lily, Adlee, AJ, and Jelena have all given us flashes of what they are able to do. They need to learn to be more consistent. Patience. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 31, 2022 14:27:27 GMT -8
8-5. 8 -0 against the likes of Seattle u, eastern Washington, Jackson state, etc.. 0-5 against power 5 teams losing by an average of 16. Bluntly This team is not very good. Can't shoot, too slow on D, and has missed out on getting a prime top point guard over the past few years resulting in bad ball handling. TVO is struggling because she knows and more important the other team knows she is it for the outside offense. Play the freshmen and look to next year, Your expectations are unreasonable. We returned 4 --- FOUR -- from last year. We are a very young team. The freshwomen are making the adjustment from high school to D1. They were recruited because of their talent. Now they're learning what it means to play D1 basketball. We are playing without the number three high school player. Marta, Lily, Adlee, AJ, and Jelena have all given us flashes of what they are able to do. They need to learn to be more consistent. Patience. You do realize the programs record over the past 8 years is trending downward? Don't need more patience. |
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