Unanimously picked to finish 12th by ESPN panel

Ummmm did I sleep through the third NCAA appearance?

And, you’re right WT has been most successful in 30 years, but he’s still 20 games under .500 and at least 40 under .500 in conference. And I know people love to throw out his two terrible years as outliers, but they don’t seem eager to throw out the two NCAA appearance years as outliers.

I do disagree with the “at least $3M”” you mention. While a few of the coaches hired at P5 schools this year exceeded $3M per, many did not. Tang at K State is getting $14.1M over 6 years. Paris at South Carolina is starting at $2.2M. I mentioned Gates at MO is starting at $2.5 as is McMahon at LSU. Todd Golden at Florida is only starting at $3M. And WT Is set to make $2.5M to $3.0M a year, so other than the buyout we’re not talking more than we’re at now. I do agree that the apparent lack of NIL money is an issue. But I think the assistant pool and recruiting budget could be worked out without back breaking increases over what they are now.

Again, WT ain’t going anywhere for at least a year and I think it is probably two years unless this season is another full on dumpster fire.

Qbeaver — if we hired McKay because New Mexico wanted him, well that says enough about the state of the athletic department back then. As for Payne, 10 games over .500 over two years isn’t an up and comer in my book unless in digging deeper you see something. And under .500 in the Colonial in both those seasons and not finishing higher than 4th isn’t what I want to see. Maybe if that was in the West Coast conference and he had western roots, but he didn’t have that either. Hindsight is 20/20, but that doesn’t scream successful hire from the get go. I agree hiring Anderson was a killer.

Like I said, it really comes down to if you feel WT’s tenure has been successful. Yes, he’s had two good seasons. but overall I think he’s underperformed. He has brought the program to a better place overall (even with last year’s debacle) then when he started. For that he should be commended. But that shouldn’t mean a lifetime commitment to him. And I think the coach that can help take the next step for the program isn’t WT. No guarantees the next hire would be either. But as we saw after an improbable but great Elite 8 run, that doesn’t guarantee success the next year either.

I can't wait til tinkle has time to get his recruiting going...oh wait it has been 9 years hasn't it.

No...not talking about him passing away in Los Angeles on the road trip. I saw him play before practice officially started in October. Explosive athlete with a beautiful outside shot to 25 feel. I never saw that after he was cleared to play in December or January. If I recall correctly,he was diagnosed with the ailment that ended up ending his life,and was on meds. I thought he had said the meds made him feel differently...maybe lethargic. It was 30 years ago or so...my memory could be off a bit. 

Yes...I remember the incident with the pizza delivery guy. I thought he held him up with a machete...maybe I'm thinking of the SC post player who did that. Chad was a prop 48 guy sitting out a year,then flunking out at osu. Too bad...talented kid. 

Tinkle took Montana to the NCAA Tournament in 2010, 2012, and 2013, CBI in 2011.

Tang's current Career Head Coaching record is 0-0.  Of the other guys you mentioned, McMahon is the only one would could more or less match Tinkle's 5 year record coming into the hire.

Miller on the other hand, was coming off a Sweet 16, an undefeated season in the Big 10 and I think COY in the Big 10 as well when Oregon State hired him. Unfortunately most of his career was when it was very hard to get into the NCAAs so it's pretty much impossible to measure his other years against the current crop of coaches that have been mentioned in this thread... but he was a Big Time Hire, and to get that kind of hire these days is gonna cost 3 million plus easy. 

If this is another 5-10 win season with poor play I expect Wayne will be gone, Better than that and I expect him to be around to see where it goes., but if the AD really wants to do something that really changes the program to where it's beyond where Wayne has taken it they're probably going to have to step it up and bring in an actual big name coach, as well as the other likely expenditures and that's going to cost the big bucks. An Oregon State hire of a coach with the lead in experience like the guys you just mentioned, could very likely turn into a repeat of what is currently going on.... business as usual. 

As far as outliers go, throw out all of the outliers, the 2 bad years, the two NCAA Tournament years, and he's still the most successful coach of the last 30 years, a winning record with no sub- .500 record seasons - considering in the previous 24 seasons the Beavs managed a .500 record 5 times, that's a big step up, and to improve on it they're probably going to have to really "invest" in the program.

It seemed like after Gary left,osu picked up a bunch of guys that never meshed together. Jerohn Brown...Kareem Anderson...Scott...Barry...etc. Hoff was a good one but few after that. I was never a fan of his assistants. Boyd and McClouskey never showed me much. Earnest could have been a very good player...sadly his health was what it was.