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Post by korculabeav on Sept 24, 2022 16:36:25 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34651998/ex-washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-speaks-why-comply-state-vaccine-mandateI don’t mind someone making a stand on being vaccinated or not for whatever convictions. But when you put a multi-million dollar HC coaching job at a Pac-12 program on the line for a belief, leave $9M on the table, get fired and had a promising future career there or elsewhere go up in smoke, you are essentially an epic dipsh*t. Now he has no job, has filed a frivolous wrongful termination lawsuit against WSU and no other program with a pulse will touch him. Was that really worth it Nick? You never were clear why you even fought the vax req’t. Dumba$$.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 24, 2022 16:59:32 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34651998/ex-washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-speaks-why-comply-state-vaccine-mandateI don’t mind someone making a stand on being vaccinated or not for whatever convictions. But when you put a multi-million dollar HC coaching job at a Pac-12 program on the line for a belief, leave $9M on the table, get fired and had a promising future career there or elsewhere go up in smoke, you are essentially an epic dipsh*t. Now he has no job, has filed a frivolous wrongful termination lawsuit against WSU and no other program with a pulse will touch him. Was that really worth it Nick? You never were clear why you even fought the vax req’t. Dumba$$. He’s history. No point to throw any more figurative dirt on his grave.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 24, 2022 23:11:13 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Sept 25, 2022 6:58:59 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34651998/ex-washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-speaks-why-comply-state-vaccine-mandateI don’t mind someone making a stand on being vaccinated or not for whatever convictions. But when you put a multi-million dollar HC coaching job at a Pac-12 program on the line for a belief, leave $9M on the table, get fired and had a promising future career there or elsewhere go up in smoke, you are essentially an epic dipsh*t. Now he has no job, has filed a frivolous wrongful termination lawsuit against WSU and no other program with a pulse will touch him. Was that really worth it Nick? You never were clear why you even fought the vax req’t. Dumba$$. And Wazzu hasn’t regretted the decision one bit.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 25, 2022 9:01:36 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34651998/ex-washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-speaks-why-comply-state-vaccine-mandateI don’t mind someone making a stand on being vaccinated or not for whatever convictions. But when you put a multi-million dollar HC coaching job at a Pac-12 program on the line for a belief, leave $9M on the table, get fired and had a promising future career there or elsewhere go up in smoke, you are essentially an epic dipsh*t. Now he has no job, has filed a frivolous wrongful termination lawsuit against WSU and no other program with a pulse will touch him. Was that really worth it Nick? You never were clear why you even fought the vax req’t. Dumba$$. And Wazzu hasn’t regretted the decision one bit. no argument there. Dickert is a good coach. My point is directed at Rolovich’s decision. His stupidity did save $9M for WSU like GAG saved us $11M.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 25, 2022 9:03:56 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career.
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 25, 2022 9:16:10 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 25, 2022 9:16:34 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. I would say that he probably employed CT. But he may not have the same underlying values as you have. I would also say that having read the allegations in the Complaint, his lawsuit seems to have legs, assuming that his lawyers are able to meet their burden in the quasi-Federal portion of it. If he had a promising career, and the State of Washington improperly terminated him for it, they owe him not only the $9M but also all of the money that he would have made or will make that he was deprived of. Plus a lot of times, there is a multiplier for refusing money owed. In Arizona, you can recover attorneys' fees and costs. And then you can triple the total amount, because it is a breach of an employment contract. As a government entity, you really need to hit these right, or the amount of damages get to be a lot very fast. He consulted a religious leader (I forget if it was a priest or a bishop), who indicated that it was Catholic teaching that, if it did not violate universal Church teaching, that your religious beliefs are your own. The allegations are that he took it to the state's HR department, who initially found that he had a religious belief. But that other state actors denied his request for a religious exemption. Everyone is quick to jump on a side. We have a bunch of Queens of Heart here, "Verdict first! Trial afterwards!" There's a villain here. It might very well be Rolovich, but I am not 100% sure that that is the case. We'll see.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 25, 2022 9:20:11 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? that is a good value set question. The answer will be different for each person.
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Post by korculabeav on Sept 25, 2022 9:31:08 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. I would say that he probably employed CT. But he may not have the same underlying values as you have. I would also say that having read the allegations in the Complaint, his lawsuit seems to have legs, assuming that his lawyers are able to meet their burden in the quasi-Federal portion of it. If he had a promising career, and the State of Washington improperly terminated him for it, they owe him not only the $9M but also all of the money that he would have made or will make that he was deprived of. As a government entity, you really need to hit these right, or the amount of damages get to be a lot very fast. He consulted a religious leader (I forget if it was a priest or a bishop), who indicated that it was Catholic teaching that, if it did not violate universal Church teaching, that your religious beliefs are your own. The allegations are that he took it to the state's HR department, who initially found that he had a religious belief. But that other state actors denied his request for a religious exemption. Everyone is quick to jump on a side. We have a bunch of Queens of Heart here, "Verdict first! Trial afterwards!" There's a villain here. It might very well be Rolovich, but I am not 100% sure that that is the case. We'll see. you have a great point with the details of how the termination went down. The case summary in the ESPN article raises fair questions. It also raises questions in when Rolovich was confronted what his basis for not getting vaccinated, he dodged the question. His religious exemption was questionable. You are further correct the lawsuit may provide further clarity when/if settled before or in trial. Related to people’s initial damp judgements, they are fair to have given we as people relying on media have little else to base things on. But that is what initial opinions are and are subject to change with additional information.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 25, 2022 9:34:40 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? As abjectly as WSU "Cooged it" against the *ucks, Rolo "MegaCouged it" in his decision. Nobody made him get the vaccine. As far as anyone knows he's still unvaccinated. He just couldn't retain his leadership role in a BCS football program. Any program that is impressed by his leadership and decision-making and that values his coaching talent is free to hire him. We'll see how that works out. So far, there haven’t been any takers.
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Post by irimi on Sept 25, 2022 10:53:36 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. I would say that he probably employed CT. But he may not have the same underlying values as you have. I would also say that having read the allegations in the Complaint, his lawsuit seems to have legs, assuming that his lawyers are able to meet their burden in the quasi-Federal portion of it. If he had a promising career, and the State of Washington improperly terminated him for it, they owe him not only the $9M but also all of the money that he would have made or will make that he was deprived of. Plus a lot of times, there is a multiplier for refusing money owed. In Arizona, you can recover attorneys' fees and costs. And then you can triple the total amount, because it is a breach of an employment contract. As a government entity, you really need to hit these right, or the amount of damages get to be a lot very fast. He consulted a religious leader (I forget if it was a priest or a bishop), who indicated that it was Catholic teaching that, if it did not violate universal Church teaching, that your religious beliefs are your own. The allegations are that he took it to the state's HR department, who initially found that he had a religious belief. But that other state actors denied his request for a religious exemption. Everyone is quick to jump on a side. We have a bunch of Queens of Heart here, "Verdict first! Trial afterwards!" There's a villain here. It might very well be Rolovich, but I am not 100% sure that that is the case. We'll see. Meh. I think the process Washington went through was adequately fair and reasonable to all involved. I honestly can’t see a case, but lawyers can make something out of nothing. If Wazzu has to pay a dime, it will be a crime.
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Post by irimi on Sept 25, 2022 11:15:41 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? So essentially you are saying that by believing in dragons, elves, and other spirits, one wouldn’t have to follow the rules of society and could expect a huge payday in court. Interesting. Pay someone for being a dumbass. If he wins any money, it will be so representative of American culture, where logic and reason have been thrown down the toilet.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 25, 2022 12:03:22 GMT -8
I would say that he probably employed CT. But he may not have the same underlying values as you have. I would also say that having read the allegations in the Complaint, his lawsuit seems to have legs, assuming that his lawyers are able to meet their burden in the quasi-Federal portion of it. If he had a promising career, and the State of Washington improperly terminated him for it, they owe him not only the $9M but also all of the money that he would have made or will make that he was deprived of. Plus a lot of times, there is a multiplier for refusing money owed. In Arizona, you can recover attorneys' fees and costs. And then you can triple the total amount, because it is a breach of an employment contract. As a government entity, you really need to hit these right, or the amount of damages get to be a lot very fast. He consulted a religious leader (I forget if it was a priest or a bishop), who indicated that it was Catholic teaching that, if it did not violate universal Church teaching, that your religious beliefs are your own. The allegations are that he took it to the state's HR department, who initially found that he had a religious belief. But that other state actors denied his request for a religious exemption. Everyone is quick to jump on a side. We have a bunch of Queens of Heart here, "Verdict first! Trial afterwards!" There's a villain here. It might very well be Rolovich, but I am not 100% sure that that is the case. We'll see. Meh. I think the process Washington went through was adequately fair and reasonable to all involved. I honestly can’t see a case, but lawyers can make something out of nothing. If Wazzu has to pay a dime, it will be a crime.Absolutely, a violation of natural rights perpetrated by the government of the State of Washington. If Wazzu does not pay any money, there will have been no crime. The briefing on it will be very interesting to follow. It stands a chance at creating some interesting precedent.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 25, 2022 13:15:37 GMT -8
Meh. I think the process Washington went through was adequately fair and reasonable to all involved. I honestly can’t see a case, but lawyers can make something out of nothing. If Wazzu has to pay a dime, it will be a crime.Absolutely, a violation of natural rights perpetrated by the government of the State of Washington. If Wazzu does not pay any money, there will have been no crime. The briefing on it will be very interesting to follow. It stands a chance at creating some interesting precedent. "Natural Rights" as concisely defined by that great philosopher-artist Lou Rawls. RIP. Rolo is "happy and free", "livin' and lovin'" for himself. "just Like a Natural Man".
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