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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 25, 2022 14:26:51 GMT -8
How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? As abjectly as WSU "Cooged it" against the *ucks, Rolo "MegaCouged it" in his decision. Nobody made him get the vaccine. As far as anyone knows he's still unvaccinated. He just couldn't retain his leadership role in a BCS football program. Any program that is impressed by his leadership and decision-making and that values his coaching talent is free to hire him. We'll see how that works out. So far, there haven’t been any takers. If he doesn't land another gig, he will be in good company with Colin Kaepernick. Although, Colin was offered other gigs, and he turned them down. Apples and Oranges I know, but both making a decision based on their beliefs. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Sept 25, 2022 14:49:17 GMT -8
Eventually a vaccination that will appease the “not enough time or research” crowd, and will be offered like the flu shot is today. If “rollo” refuses THAT vax, and it is mandatory for employees, then……. he’s playing the victim/martyr hand, and, f%#* him.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 25, 2022 17:26:32 GMT -8
As abjectly as WSU "Cooged it" against the *ucks, Rolo "MegaCouged it" in his decision. Nobody made him get the vaccine. As far as anyone knows he's still unvaccinated. He just couldn't retain his leadership role in a BCS football program. Any program that is impressed by his leadership and decision-making and that values his coaching talent is free to hire him. We'll see how that works out. So far, there haven’t been any takers. If he doesn't land another gig, he will be in good company with Colin Kaepernick. Although, Colin was offered other gigs, and he turned them down. Apples and Oranges I know, but both making a decision based on their beliefs. Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 25, 2022 18:03:08 GMT -8
If he doesn't land another gig, he will be in good company with Colin Kaepernick. Although, Colin was offered other gigs, and he turned them down. Apples and Oranges I know, but both making a decision based on their beliefs. Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. I don't necessarily agree with or sympathize with Kapernick but he was upfront from day one about why he was taking his stand. Whether you agree or disagree, he laid his cards on the table. Rolovich's exact reasons were unknown for 2 1/2 months following his announced no-show for Pac-12 media day, until he was ultimately outed by his former Head Coach, June Jones. Only then did he confirm that he was seeking a religious exemption. Seven days later, the exemption application was denied and NR + 4 of his assistant coaches were fired. www.krem.com/article/sports/ncaa/wsu/everything-leading-up-to-wsu-football-coach-nick-rolovich-firing/293-488f069e-81b0-40e4-b381-f9ae8df69653So from that standpoint at least, CK owned his decision publicly in a way that NR never did. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 25, 2022 18:17:46 GMT -8
Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. I don't necessarily agree with or sympathize with Kapernick but he was upfront from day one about why he was taking his stand. Whether you agree or disagree, he laid his cards on the table. Rolovich's exact reasons were unknown for 2 1/2 months following his announced no-show for Pac-12 media day, until he was ultimately outed by his former Head Coach, June Jones. Only then did he confirm that he was seeking a religious exemption. Seven days later, the exemption application was denied and NR + 4 of his assistant coaches were fired. www.krem.com/article/sports/ncaa/wsu/everything-leading-up-to-wsu-football-coach-nick-rolovich-firing/293-488f069e-81b0-40e4-b381-f9ae8df69653So from that standpoint at least, CK owned his decision publicly in a way that NR never did. Partially agree. I feel like Kap’s reasons seemed to evolve the way I remember it, but I don’t care enough about either to spend time researching it. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2022 6:20:52 GMT -8
If he doesn't land another gig, he will be in good company with Colin Kaepernick. Although, Colin was offered other gigs, and he turned them down. Apples and Oranges I know, but both making a decision based on their beliefs. Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. I would suggest within the general population, if you could get an accurate poll, you might be surprised. Many see it as the opposite - Kaepernick was the idiot for throwing away millions of dollars to take a stand, and Rolovich is a hero for not allowing an outside entity to put something in his body against his will. My general point was in life, taking a stand will often cost you something, occasionally a lot. But, even if I disagree with the stand, I can respect someone who is consistent. With Rolovich, I do not pretend to know all of the details, but sometimes people take time to have what they feel is an informed and well thought out position. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 26, 2022 6:50:10 GMT -8
Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. I would suggest within the general population, if you could get an accurate poll, you might be surprised. Many see it as the opposite - Kaepernick was the idiot for throwing away millions of dollars to take a stand, and Rolovich is a hero for not allowing an outside entity to put something in his body against his will. My general point was in life, taking a stand will often cost you something, occasionally a lot. But, even if I disagree with the stand, I can respect someone who is consistent. With Rolovich, I do not pretend to know all of the details, but sometimes people take time to have what they feel is an informed and well thought out position. I would suggest within the general population, if you could get an accurate poll, both are seen as misguided. As for Rolovich, just because he took his time doesn't necessarily mean he arrived at an informed and well thought out position. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 26, 2022 8:43:28 GMT -8
Interesting. Kap and Rolo seen 180* different by the public. Rolo is an idiot. Kap is the sympathetic figure getting shafted by the man. I would suggest within the general population, if you could get an accurate poll, you might be surprised. Many see it as the opposite - Kaepernick was the idiot for throwing away millions of dollars to take a stand, and Rolovich is a hero for not allowing an outside entity to put something in his body against his will. My general point was in life, taking a stand will often cost you something, occasionally a lot. But, even if I disagree with the stand, I can respect someone who is consistent. With Rolovich, I do not pretend to know all of the details, but sometimes people take time to have what they feel is an informed and well thought out position. It's a poor comparison. Kaepernick took a stand to raise awareness to a cause that he felt needed attention and action. His stance was selfless: a privileged man playing a game in the national spotlight, standing up for others whose voices could not be heard. The worst effect of his actions was to hurt his team's chances to win. Otherwise, he alone bore the brunt of fallout. Rolovich refused to get vaccinated against a potentially deadly virus during a worldwide pandemic. His final decision not to get even a single injection came about 10 or 11 months after the vaccine had been successfully administered to millions and millions of people. His position, as head coach of a university football team, meant that he would be in contact with a large circle of people, potentially carrying and spreading the deadly virus. His decision was selfish. His personal belief outweighed all the other evidence and potentially put people in harm's way. It was reckless. Both lost their jobs because of their decisions, but that's about where the similarities end. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2022 10:11:30 GMT -8
I would suggest within the general population, if you could get an accurate poll, you might be surprised. Many see it as the opposite - Kaepernick was the idiot for throwing away millions of dollars to take a stand, and Rolovich is a hero for not allowing an outside entity to put something in his body against his will. My general point was in life, taking a stand will often cost you something, occasionally a lot. But, even if I disagree with the stand, I can respect someone who is consistent. With Rolovich, I do not pretend to know all of the details, but sometimes people take time to have what they feel is an informed and well thought out position. It's a poor comparison. Kaepernick took a stand to raise awareness to a cause that he felt needed attention and action. His stance was selfless: a privileged man playing a game in the national spotlight, standing up for others whose voices could not be heard. The worst effect of his actions was to hurt his team's chances to win. Otherwise, he alone bore the brunt of fallout. Rolovich refused to get vaccinated against a potentially deadly virus during a worldwide pandemic. His final decision not to get even a single injection came about 10 or 11 months after the vaccine had been successfully administered to millions and millions of people. His position, as head coach of a university football team, meant that he would be in contact with a large circle of people, potentially carrying and spreading the deadly virus. His decision was selfish. His personal belief outweighed all the other evidence and potentially put people in harm's way. It was reckless. Both lost their jobs because of their decisions, but that's about where the similarities end. Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 26, 2022 11:17:07 GMT -8
It's a poor comparison. Kaepernick took a stand to raise awareness to a cause that he felt needed attention and action. His stance was selfless: a privileged man playing a game in the national spotlight, standing up for others whose voices could not be heard. The worst effect of his actions was to hurt his team's chances to win. Otherwise, he alone bore the brunt of fallout. Rolovich refused to get vaccinated against a potentially deadly virus during a worldwide pandemic. His final decision not to get even a single injection came about 10 or 11 months after the vaccine had been successfully administered to millions and millions of people. His position, as head coach of a university football team, meant that he would be in contact with a large circle of people, potentially carrying and spreading the deadly virus. His decision was selfish. His personal belief outweighed all the other evidence and potentially put people in harm's way. It was reckless. Both lost their jobs because of their decisions, but that's about where the similarities end. Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
Kinda bugs me when people use the perjorative “jabbed” instead of the proper term of “vaccinated”. But it’s a free country. I was born after the invention of the polio vaccine, but growing up in the 60’s, the destruction from those epidemics were a constant presence. Even if you didn’t have survivors in your immediate family, EVERYONE knew adults who bore the ravages of that disease. Not even counting those I never had a chance to meet (because they didn’t survive).or their children who might have been my classmates. I’ve never taken the miracle of immunization for granted. |
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Post by beavheart on Sept 26, 2022 12:10:21 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? That would depend on the belief. Some mean more than others. Just me, but this doesn't seem like one of those beliefs you take a stand on. Especially considering the circumstances. It's not like he lost his job as greeter at Walmart. He was the tone setter for an entire group of young men, and clearly the majority didn't agree that his beliefs mattered in this case. I understand how folks were skeptical of the vaccine though. A lot of us were skeptical, and we still got vaxed. I think that's part of why the court of public opinion is ruling against him so harshly. A lot of regular folks who had their doubts about the vaccine got it anyway out of respect for the greater good. Imagine if Covid was worse than it is. At what point does someone's individual beliefs around something that goes against the scientific community become secondary to saving humanity? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2022 12:34:29 GMT -8
Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
Kinda bugs me when people use the perjorative “jabbed” instead of the proper term of “vaccinated”. But it’s a free country. I was born after the invention of the polio vaccine, but growing up in the 60’s, the destruction from those epidemics were a constant presence. Even if you didn’t have survivors in your immediate family, EVERYONE knew adults who bore the ravages of that disease. Not even counting those I never had a chance to meet (because they didn’t survive).or their children who might have been my classmates. I’ve never taken the miracle of immunization for granted. Good points on Polio and other very dangerous debilitating diseases in the past. I too have received those. The CDC recently changed the definition of what a vaccine is, which didn't help the issue.
Historically, vaccines were taking a part or whole of a dead virus, injecting into the individual to initiate an immune response to the exact composition of the virus - like the Polio vaccine. The mRNA are different than that - the spike proteins are synthetic - but I can see where for some it is splitting hairs. More and more information has come out, and will continue to come out, on these new technologies. For many of us (including Rolovich), it is this departure from historical vaccines and how they work that are making people nervous, and unwilling to be injected. Not all are anti-vaxxers - just very cautious, and have a healthy skepticism against anything new, with an EUA.
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Post by irimi on Sept 26, 2022 13:05:05 GMT -8
It's a poor comparison. Kaepernick took a stand to raise awareness to a cause that he felt needed attention and action. His stance was selfless: a privileged man playing a game in the national spotlight, standing up for others whose voices could not be heard. The worst effect of his actions was to hurt his team's chances to win. Otherwise, he alone bore the brunt of fallout. Rolovich refused to get vaccinated against a potentially deadly virus during a worldwide pandemic. His final decision not to get even a single injection came about 10 or 11 months after the vaccine had been successfully administered to millions and millions of people. His position, as head coach of a university football team, meant that he would be in contact with a large circle of people, potentially carrying and spreading the deadly virus. His decision was selfish. His personal belief outweighed all the other evidence and potentially put people in harm's way. It was reckless. Both lost their jobs because of their decisions, but that's about where the similarities end. Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
Easy. It has only recently become available. My town finally got some in late last week and it’s going quickly. Rolo chose to be unvaccinated for religious, not medical, reasons. If he feared the vaccine and it’s possible side effects, many doctors could have explained the rewards and the risks had he asked. According to Wilky, though, Rolo went to his Catholic spiritual advisor who told him that personal beliefs that don’t conflict with the dogma of the Church are ok. This is fine advice for trying to understand matters of faith, but it has little bearing on matters of science and public health and safety. In that respect, the Catholic priest would have been wiser to point Rolo to the lives, sacrifices, and courage of the saints or even Jesus himself. Filing a lawsuit is not evidence of anything. Look at the whole array of lawsuits filed pertaining to election fraud and how they were nearly all tossed out or shot down. As I said, one’s stand was selfish and the other’s was selfless. Should we look up to folks who take a stand for the wrong reasons? |
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Post by irimi on Sept 26, 2022 13:22:02 GMT -8
Kinda bugs me when people use the perjorative “jabbed” instead of the proper term of “vaccinated”. But it’s a free country. I was born after the invention of the polio vaccine, but growing up in the 60’s, the destruction from those epidemics were a constant presence. Even if you didn’t have survivors in your immediate family, EVERYONE knew adults who bore the ravages of that disease. Not even counting those I never had a chance to meet (because they didn’t survive).or their children who might have been my classmates. I’ve never taken the miracle of immunization for granted. Good points on Polio and other very dangerous debilitating diseases in the past. I too have received those. The CDC recently changed the definition of what a vaccine is, which didn't help the issue.
Historically, vaccines were taking a part or whole of a dead virus, injecting into the individual to initiate an immune response to the exact composition of the virus - like the Polio vaccine. The mRNA are different than that - the spike proteins are synthetic - but I can see where for some it is splitting hairs. More and more information has come out, and will continue to come out, on these new technologies. For many of us (including Rolovich), it is this departure from historical vaccines and how they work that are making people nervous, and unwilling to be injected. Not all are anti-vaxxers - just very cautious, and have a healthy skepticism against anything new, with an EUA.
Nah, Rolo went for the religious option. Or do you mean to say he used religion as a shield to try to wriggle his way out?! Can’t be. A religious person wouldn’t be deceitful, would he? To educate yourself, Rolo, or others, there are doctors available to explain how the new vaccines work and why you should trust it. But you have to be careful because not all doctors are alike. Find one with a strong background in immunology or infectious disease. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 26, 2022 14:15:33 GMT -8
Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
Easy. It has only recently become available. My town finally got some in late last week and it’s going quickly. Rolo chose to be unvaccinated for religious, not medical, reasons. If he feared the vaccine and it’s possible side effects, many doctors could have explained the rewards and the risks had he asked. According to Wilky, though, Rolo went to his Catholic spiritual advisor who told him that personal beliefs that don’t conflict with the dogma of the Church are ok. This is fine advice for trying to understand matters of faith, but it has little bearing on matters of science and public health and safety. In that respect, the Catholic priest would have been wiser to point Rolo to the lives, sacrifices, and courage of the saints or even Jesus himself. Filing a lawsuit is not evidence of anything. Look at the whole array of lawsuits filed pertaining to election fraud and how they were nearly all tossed out or shot down. As I said, one’s stand was selfish and the other’s was selfless. Should we look up to folks who take a stand for the wrong reasons? The Catholic Diocese of Spokane tends to be more conservative than other dioceses. The diocese probably tends to focus more on individualism than other dioceses. So, it would be weird for him to get that advice from his spiritual advisor there. I would surmise that Rolo believed that his stand was selfless, as well. No one is a villain in their own mind, no matter how big of a scumbag he or she may be. You can admire the stand without admiring what the individual is standing for. Gorbachev took admirable stands with the best intentions. His stands were admirable, even if they were for the dumbest of reasons, to try and prop up a failing system. Maybe he was right, though, that the system needed an overhaul rather than to be torn down to studs and rebuilt. The rebuild has certainly not gone well. Still, you are right. If you disagree with his position, it is difficult to admire the stand. I agree with the thrust of what Kaepernick was trying to convey. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with his means and methods. I tend to think that Kaep could have made his point a lot better and in a lot more acerbic and lot less self-destructive manner, if he thought about it for like two minutes. You mean this is going to cheese off people who are in the military or know people in the military or lost someone that they know on September 11th? Huh, maybe I should rethink this. Stupid stands are stupid rather than admirable. |
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