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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2022 15:15:51 GMT -8
Good points on Polio and other very dangerous debilitating diseases in the past. I too have received those. The CDC recently changed the definition of what a vaccine is, which didn't help the issue.
Historically, vaccines were taking a part or whole of a dead virus, injecting into the individual to initiate an immune response to the exact composition of the virus - like the Polio vaccine. The mRNA are different than that - the spike proteins are synthetic - but I can see where for some it is splitting hairs. More and more information has come out, and will continue to come out, on these new technologies. For many of us (including Rolovich), it is this departure from historical vaccines and how they work that are making people nervous, and unwilling to be injected. Not all are anti-vaxxers - just very cautious, and have a healthy skepticism against anything new, with an EUA.
Nah, Rolo went for the religious option. Or do you mean to say he used religion as a shield to try to wriggle his way out?! Can’t be. A religious person wouldn’t be deceitful, would he? To educate yourself, Rolo, or others, there are doctors available to explain how the new vaccines work and why you should trust it. But you have to be careful because not all doctors are alike. Find one with a strong background in immunology or infectious disease. You mean like Dr. Malone, a real and true virologist that has been a researcher and consultant his whole career, and one of the original inventors of the mRNA technology? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 26, 2022 15:22:07 GMT -8
Everyone has their own take on both situations. I will not say all I would like, as I took a pledge to abide by the rules. Successfully and safely administered are two different things.
And as many of us knew a long time ago, the jab hasn't stopped the spread by the jabbed. Putting COVID positive people in nursing homes was reckless. The excess deaths, and significant issues from around the world as a result of being jabbed are no joke. It's what happens when you bypass the normal clinical trial process, then try and suppress the internal data for 75 years (Pfizer). If the jab is so popular, why has only 2% of the population gotten the most recent booster? Many people I know regret having received even one shot, let alone multiple shots. They believe they were lied to about the benefits and risks. Eric Clapton, anyone?
I think of how hard people have had to fight to get "right to try" laws in place, when they are dying. Getting jabbed is, and should be, a personal decision. Not a mandate. And now, the lawsuits are flying all over the country - not just Rolovich. Funny how the roles are reversed - up until the pandemic the left in this country hated big Pharma.
The similarities go beyond losing their jobs - both took a stand for what they believed in - not just making a decision.
Easy. It has only recently become available. My town finally got some in late last week and it’s going quickly. Rolo chose to be unvaccinated for religious, not medical, reasons. If he feared the vaccine and it’s possible side effects, many doctors could have explained the rewards and the risks had he asked. According to Wilky, though, Rolo went to his Catholic spiritual advisor who told him that personal beliefs that don’t conflict with the dogma of the Church are ok. This is fine advice for trying to understand matters of faith, but it has little bearing on matters of science and public health and safety. In that respect, the Catholic priest would have been wiser to point Rolo to the lives, sacrifices, and courage of the saints or even Jesus himself. Filing a lawsuit is not evidence of anything. Look at the whole array of lawsuits filed pertaining to election fraud and how they were nearly all tossed out or shot down.As I said, one’s stand was selfish and the other’s was selfless. Should we look up to folks who take a stand for the wrong reasons? Agree on sentence number one. Sentence number two proves nothing, as in a large percentage of the cases, the judges refused to even entertain the suit, let alone dig into the evidence. A judge deciding to dismiss a case, or refuse to hear it, doesn't necessarily prove anything. Sometimes, it is a convenient way to just side step the issue. There is plenty of evidence, and not just from the last election.
One man's selfish is another man's selflessness. Depends on how you view the original issue.
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Post by irimi on Sept 26, 2022 20:08:42 GMT -8
Easy. It has only recently become available. My town finally got some in late last week and it’s going quickly. Rolo chose to be unvaccinated for religious, not medical, reasons. If he feared the vaccine and it’s possible side effects, many doctors could have explained the rewards and the risks had he asked. According to Wilky, though, Rolo went to his Catholic spiritual advisor who told him that personal beliefs that don’t conflict with the dogma of the Church are ok. This is fine advice for trying to understand matters of faith, but it has little bearing on matters of science and public health and safety. In that respect, the Catholic priest would have been wiser to point Rolo to the lives, sacrifices, and courage of the saints or even Jesus himself. Filing a lawsuit is not evidence of anything. Look at the whole array of lawsuits filed pertaining to election fraud and how they were nearly all tossed out or shot down. As I said, one’s stand was selfish and the other’s was selfless. Should we look up to folks who take a stand for the wrong reasons? The Catholic Diocese of Spokane tends to be more conservative than other dioceses. The diocese probably tends to focus more on individualism than other dioceses. So, it would be weird for him to get that advice from his spiritual advisor there. I would surmise that Rolo believed that his stand was selfless, as well. No one is a villain in their own mind, no matter how big of a scumbag he or she may be. You can admire the stand without admiring what the individual is standing for. Gorbachev took admirable stands with the best intentions. His stands were admirable, even if they were for the dumbest of reasons, to try and prop up a failing system. Maybe he was right, though, that the system needed an overhaul rather than to be torn down to studs and rebuilt. The rebuild has certainly not gone well. Still, you are right. If you disagree with his position, it is difficult to admire the stand. I agree with the thrust of what Kaepernick was trying to convey. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with his means and methods. I tend to think that Kaep could have made his point a lot better and in a lot more acerbic and lot less self-destructive manner, if he thought about it for like two minutes. You mean this is going to cheese off people who are in the military or know people in the military or lost someone that they know on September 11th? Huh, maybe I should rethink this. Stupid stands are stupid rather than admirable. I know about Spokane and the so-called Catholics up there that don’t follow the Pope, but I never thought the Spokane diocese was unreasonably conservative. OTOH, the Portland Archdiocese has become distastefully conservative…at least to me…so things do change. Perhaps you can find meaning in Rolo’s stand…that he did it for the betterment of society…but I cannot. I have a hard time admiring the Confederacy, too. Some stands just aren’t worth much. Conviction wrapped in ignorance is laughable. As for the flag, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t the flag represent the country of the United States of America? And isn’t the country made up of every single person in the United States? Does it somehow represent the military more than a doctor or a lawyer? Or how about an Olympic athlete? And if it does represent the military more than a commoner, then maybe certain branches have even higher representation, like the Marines. And the Navy gets a smaller piece of the flag. What do you think? If it represents all Americans, then doesn’t it also represent George Floyd as well as the police officers who killed him and the culture that allows that to happen? Or the hundreds killed just like him? Or MLK whose killer was never brought to justice? I have a real problem with people thinking the flag represents the military. It doesn’t. The military represents the flag, and they should never forget that. And anyone with a flag on their uniform (cops, for example) should remember that, too. Putting a blue line through the flag doesn’t make it about you. The flag stands for every homeless guy, drug dealer, homosexual, transgendered, college kid, baby, working stiff, rich bastard, USC fan. This is our country. This is our flag. Yours too. But you can’t claim more of the flag just because you spent time in the service. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 26, 2022 20:24:15 GMT -8
Nah, Rolo went for the religious option. Or do you mean to say he used religion as a shield to try to wriggle his way out?! Can’t be. A religious person wouldn’t be deceitful, would he? To educate yourself, Rolo, or others, there are doctors available to explain how the new vaccines work and why you should trust it. But you have to be careful because not all doctors are alike. Find one with a strong background in immunology or infectious disease. You mean like Dr. Malone, a real and true virologist that has been a researcher and consultant his whole career, and one of the original inventors of the mRNA technology? The guy who himself has received both Moderna shots? LOL Can’t you see when you’re being played? Sure, he contributed to early work on the mRNA vaccine, but it took the dedicated work of many more scientists and researchers to take it beyond and make it effective. He wasn’t around for that part. And I’m curious as to why folks like yourself find it easier to believe the one outlier than the 99 others who are in agreement? Let’s ignore the fact that a lot of Dr. Malone’s statements were false or needed to be retracted. Let’s assume that you don’t know that. So why would you believe Dr. Malone over all the other doctors? Is that reasonable? Is that what you would teach your children to do? Is this your idea of “thinking for yourself”? Just curious. |
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Post by seastape on Sept 26, 2022 22:53:18 GMT -8
Agreed. I raised this as a case study in how some people make a decision without giving careful critical thinking to their thought process. That lack of CT cost him $9M and a promising career. How do you know he didn’t give careful thought to it? I guess my question would be, how much money does it take to get you to go against your beliefs? I would have not gotten vaccinated for a $9 million. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 27, 2022 7:49:48 GMT -8
The Catholic Diocese of Spokane tends to be more conservative than other dioceses. The diocese probably tends to focus more on individualism than other dioceses. So, it would be weird for him to get that advice from his spiritual advisor there. I would surmise that Rolo believed that his stand was selfless, as well. No one is a villain in their own mind, no matter how big of a scumbag he or she may be. You can admire the stand without admiring what the individual is standing for. Gorbachev took admirable stands with the best intentions. His stands were admirable, even if they were for the dumbest of reasons, to try and prop up a failing system. Maybe he was right, though, that the system needed an overhaul rather than to be torn down to studs and rebuilt. The rebuild has certainly not gone well. Still, you are right. If you disagree with his position, it is difficult to admire the stand. I agree with the thrust of what Kaepernick was trying to convey. However, I wholeheartedly disagree with his means and methods. I tend to think that Kaep could have made his point a lot better and in a lot more acerbic and lot less self-destructive manner, if he thought about it for like two minutes. You mean this is going to cheese off people who are in the military or know people in the military or lost someone that they know on September 11th? Huh, maybe I should rethink this. Stupid stands are stupid rather than admirable. I know about Spokane and the so-called Catholics up there that don’t follow the Pope, but I never thought the Spokane diocese was unreasonably conservative. OTOH, the Portland Archdiocese has become distastefully conservative…at least to me…so things do change. Perhaps you can find meaning in Rolo’s stand…that he did it for the betterment of society…but I cannot. I have a hard time admiring the Confederacy, too. Some stands just aren’t worth much. Conviction wrapped in ignorance is laughable. As for the flag, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t the flag represent the country of the United States of America? And isn’t the country made up of every single person in the United States? Does it somehow represent the military more than a doctor or a lawyer? Or how about an Olympic athlete? And if it does represent the military more than a commoner, then maybe certain branches have even higher representation, like the Marines. And the Navy gets a smaller piece of the flag. What do you think? If it represents all Americans, then doesn’t it also represent George Floyd as well as the police officers who killed him and the culture that allows that to happen? Or the hundreds killed just like him? Or MLK whose killer was never brought to justice? I have a real problem with people thinking the flag represents the military. It doesn’t. The military represents the flag, and they should never forget that. And anyone with a flag on their uniform (cops, for example) should remember that, too. Putting a blue line through the flag doesn’t make it about you. The flag stands for every homeless guy, drug dealer, homosexual, transgendered, college kid, baby, working stiff, rich bastard, USC fan. This is our country. This is our flag. Yours too. But you can’t claim more of the flag just because you spent time in the service. The constitution guarantees equal access, not equal outcomes. Citizenship, IMHO, is a privilege that can be revoked. It is why people coming to America legally (what a concept) have to pass a citizenship test, and pledge allegiance to our country.
Did you spend time in the military, or as a first responder? I did not. But I have great respect for those who do - I think you are glossing over that sacrifice. For military and first responders (my son is a first responder), they are risking their lives for this country and others, and in many cases, for little or no pay. My son is like many volunteer firefighters - he has given thousands of hours for free. During the fires Labor Day of 2020, he was on duty for like four days straight, with little or no sleep. When there is a heavy MVA (motor vehicle accident), he is part of the team to employ the jaws of life, and to offer medical aid. My point in all of this? For many, the sacrifice is because they love this country, and want to give back. They are patriotic, and the flag represents that patriotism. For military people that have sacrificed much, especially those who were drafted and had no choice, lost buddies in battle, it is disrespectful to disparage the flag, because by extension it means you are disparaging them. It is not about claiming more of the flag, it is about asking the question - what have you sacrificed for this country, and your fellow man? What did JFK say? Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather, what can I do for my country.
I have little patience for people who only want to tear down to make a point - the contrast between the people here in the Santiam canyon that stepped forward to offer food, clothing, movement of animals, etc and the BLM/ Antifa riots, lives lost and damage caused, could not be more stark. I am a big MLK fan, not just because he was an activist that addressed an issue that needed addressing (institutionalized racism), but because he was a Reverend, and believed in non-violent protesting. His message, as a believer, Reverend and man of color, was far more powerful than if he had encouraged violence.
No one I know, across the political spectrum agrees with what happened to George Floyd. It is unfortunate no one talks about what led up to that event, and why he was in that situation, but all can agree what happened to him was wrong. I am in total favor of making it mandatory that every police officer in America be required to wear a body cam, and also making it a law you cannot adulterate that recorded information, either by law enforcement, or the press. The only way to get to the truth is to have all of the information, unvarnished.
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 27, 2022 8:05:05 GMT -8
You mean like Dr. Malone, a real and true virologist that has been a researcher and consultant his whole career, and one of the original inventors of the mRNA technology? The guy who himself has received both Moderna shots? LOL Can’t you see when you’re being played? Sure, he contributed to early work on the mRNA vaccine, but it took the dedicated work of many more scientists and researchers to take it beyond and make it effective. He wasn’t around for that part. And I’m curious as to why folks like yourself find it easier to believe the one outlier than the 99 others who are in agreement? Let’s ignore the fact that a lot of Dr. Malone’s statements were false or needed to be retracted. Let’s assume that you don’t know that. So why would you believe Dr. Malone over all the other doctors? Is that reasonable? Is that what you would teach your children to do? Is this your idea of “thinking for yourself”? Just curious. Not sure the details on Malone being vaccinated - would love to see a neutral report on that - if one exists - lol.
I find it amusing you would reference being played. Back in the '60's and '70's, probably before your time, it was the left that claimed we needed to question authority, think for yourself, not listen to the mainstream propaganda, etc. My how things have changed. There are lots of voices, from Dr. Robert Kennedy, Naomi Wolf, Dr. Robert Malone, etc. that have a different point of view. Being willing to look at all of the information out there, not just the mainstream govt/ industrial/ media complex doesn't mean someone is being played. And no, the ratio of voices isn't 99 to 1. But even if it is, so what? We each can decide which voices to listen to. Did you see just today the CDC had to admit that Myocarditis, one of the potential side affects from the jab, is not transitory, but rather is a long term risk? There have been hundreds of amateur and professional athletes that have had major heart issues from Myocarditis since we engaged in mass vaccination. I know it is a small percentage of the total, but God forbid one day, a Beaver athlete succumbs to that.
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Post by irimi on Sept 27, 2022 15:04:03 GMT -8
I know about Spokane and the so-called Catholics up there that don’t follow the Pope, but I never thought the Spokane diocese was unreasonably conservative. OTOH, the Portland Archdiocese has become distastefully conservative…at least to me…so things do change. Perhaps you can find meaning in Rolo’s stand…that he did it for the betterment of society…but I cannot. I have a hard time admiring the Confederacy, too. Some stands just aren’t worth much. Conviction wrapped in ignorance is laughable. As for the flag, correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t the flag represent the country of the United States of America? And isn’t the country made up of every single person in the United States? Does it somehow represent the military more than a doctor or a lawyer? Or how about an Olympic athlete? And if it does represent the military more than a commoner, then maybe certain branches have even higher representation, like the Marines. And the Navy gets a smaller piece of the flag. What do you think? If it represents all Americans, then doesn’t it also represent George Floyd as well as the police officers who killed him and the culture that allows that to happen? Or the hundreds killed just like him? Or MLK whose killer was never brought to justice? I have a real problem with people thinking the flag represents the military. It doesn’t. The military represents the flag, and they should never forget that. And anyone with a flag on their uniform (cops, for example) should remember that, too. Putting a blue line through the flag doesn’t make it about you. The flag stands for every homeless guy, drug dealer, homosexual, transgendered, college kid, baby, working stiff, rich bastard, USC fan. This is our country. This is our flag. Yours too. But you can’t claim more of the flag just because you spent time in the service. The constitution guarantees equal access, not equal outcomes. Citizenship, IMHO, is a privilege that can be revoked. It is why people coming to America legally (what a concept) have to pass a citizenship test, and pledge allegiance to our country.
Did you spend time in the military, or as a first responder? I did not. But I have great respect for those who do - I think you are glossing over that sacrifice. For military and first responders (my son is a first responder), they are risking their lives for this country and others, and in many cases, for little or no pay. My son is like many volunteer firefighters - he has given thousands of hours for free. During the fires Labor Day of 2020, he was on duty for like four days straight, with little or no sleep. When there is a heavy MVA (motor vehicle accident), he is part of the team to employ the jaws of life, and to offer medical aid. My point in all of this? For many, the sacrifice is because they love this country, and want to give back. They are patriotic, and the flag represents that patriotism. For military people that have sacrificed much, especially those who were drafted and had no choice, lost buddies in battle, it is disrespectful to disparage the flag, because by extension it means you are disparaging them. It is not about claiming more of the flag, it is about asking the question - what have you sacrificed for this country, and your fellow man? What did JFK say? Ask not what your country can do for you, but rather, what can I do for my country.
I have little patience for people who only want to tear down to make a point - the contrast between the people here in the Santiam canyon that stepped forward to offer food, clothing, movement of animals, etc and the BLM/ Antifa riots, lives lost and damage caused, could not be more stark. I am a big MLK fan, not just because he was an activist that addressed an issue that needed addressing (institutionalized racism), but because he was a Reverend, and believed in non-violent protesting. His message, as a believer, Reverend and man of color, was far more powerful than if he had encouraged violence.
No one I know, across the political spectrum agrees with what happened to George Floyd. It is unfortunate no one talks about what led up to that event, and why he was in that situation, but all can agree what happened to him was wrong. I am in total favor of making it mandatory that every police officer in America be required to wear a body cam, and also making it a law you cannot adulterate that recorded information, either by law enforcement, or the press. The only way to get to the truth is to have all of the information, unvarnished.
My views of the military don't matter. The point is that the flag represents the country and you and I and the guy who flies his flag upside down these days are all part of that country. My point is still valid. The military keep us safe is just more rhetoric. They didn't help protect the victims of 9/11 and one could argue that military aggression sort of caused the whole Middle East problem. But wars keep the country focused on an enemy and lots of people need an enemy to get through their day. Glad to hear that you also see that the police can overstep their bounds, particularly in dealing with people of color. Back in the 90s they used to call it profiling. The reality is racial profiling has never gone away. It's worth standing up and speaking out about it. Could Kaep done it differently? Sure. But he made a clear statement and that statement was the same as the fist salute made by the two Black Olympians back in '68. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 27, 2022 15:09:39 GMT -8
The guy who himself has received both Moderna shots? LOL Can’t you see when you’re being played? Sure, he contributed to early work on the mRNA vaccine, but it took the dedicated work of many more scientists and researchers to take it beyond and make it effective. He wasn’t around for that part. And I’m curious as to why folks like yourself find it easier to believe the one outlier than the 99 others who are in agreement? Let’s ignore the fact that a lot of Dr. Malone’s statements were false or needed to be retracted. Let’s assume that you don’t know that. So why would you believe Dr. Malone over all the other doctors? Is that reasonable? Is that what you would teach your children to do? Is this your idea of “thinking for yourself”? Just curious. Not sure the details on Malone being vaccinated - would love to see a neutral report on that - if one exists - lol.
I find it amusing you would reference being played. Back in the '60's and '70's, probably before your time, it was the left that claimed we needed to question authority, think for yourself, not listen to the mainstream propaganda, etc. My how things have changed. There are lots of voices, from Dr. Robert Kennedy, Naomi Wolf, Dr. Robert Malone, etc. that have a different point of view. Being willing to look at all of the information out there, not just the mainstream govt/ industrial/ media complex doesn't mean someone is being played. And no, the ratio of voices isn't 99 to 1. But even if it is, so what? We each can decide which voices to listen to. Did you see just today the CDC had to admit that Myocarditis, one of the potential side affects from the jab, is not transitory, but rather is a long term risk? There have been hundreds of amateur and professional athletes that have had major heart issues from Myocarditis since we engaged in mass vaccination. I know it is a small percentage of the total, but God forbid one day, a Beaver athlete succumbs to that.
So I have an honest question. Is it selfish or selfish to stop from getting the vaccine because you are afraid of the complications? I think it is selfish. I think it was selfless of the people who were the original guinea pigs we heard about shortly before the vaccine that we know came out. They were brave to risk everything for the advancement of medicine. I think those who got the vaccine and the boosters can be seen both as selfish (preserve their own life, protect themselves) and selfless (protect others, try to curb the pandemic). How exactly can refusing the vaccine be seen as anything but selfish? What are these people doing on behalf of the people around them? I still don't understand. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 27, 2022 15:19:53 GMT -8
The guy who himself has received both Moderna shots? LOL Can’t you see when you’re being played? Sure, he contributed to early work on the mRNA vaccine, but it took the dedicated work of many more scientists and researchers to take it beyond and make it effective. He wasn’t around for that part. And I’m curious as to why folks like yourself find it easier to believe the one outlier than the 99 others who are in agreement? Let’s ignore the fact that a lot of Dr. Malone’s statements were false or needed to be retracted. Let’s assume that you don’t know that. So why would you believe Dr. Malone over all the other doctors? Is that reasonable? Is that what you would teach your children to do? Is this your idea of “thinking for yourself”? Just curious. Not sure the details on Malone being vaccinated - would love to see a neutral report on that - if one exists - lol.
I find it amusing you would reference being played. Back in the '60's and '70's, probably before your time, it was the left that claimed we needed to question authority, think for yourself, not listen to the mainstream propaganda, etc. My how things have changed. There are lots of voices, from Dr. Robert Kennedy, Naomi Wolf, Dr. Robert Malone, etc. that have a different point of view. Being willing to look at all of the information out there, not just the mainstream govt/ industrial/ media complex doesn't mean someone is being played. And no, the ratio of voices isn't 99 to 1. But even if it is, so what? We each can decide which voices to listen to. Did you see just today the CDC had to admit that Myocarditis, one of the potential side affects from the jab, is not transitory, but rather is a long term risk? There have been hundreds of amateur and professional athletes that have had major heart issues from Myocarditis since we engaged in mass vaccination. I know it is a small percentage of the total, but God forbid one day, a Beaver athlete succumbs to that.
Question authority is fine and dandy. What answer did you come up with? Why exactly would the government want to inject a vaccine into all of its people if not to protect them and help them through the pandemic? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 27, 2022 18:05:11 GMT -8
Not sure the details on Malone being vaccinated - would love to see a neutral report on that - if one exists - lol.
I find it amusing you would reference being played. Back in the '60's and '70's, probably before your time, it was the left that claimed we needed to question authority, think for yourself, not listen to the mainstream propaganda, etc. My how things have changed. There are lots of voices, from Dr. Robert Kennedy, Naomi Wolf, Dr. Robert Malone, etc. that have a different point of view. Being willing to look at all of the information out there, not just the mainstream govt/ industrial/ media complex doesn't mean someone is being played. And no, the ratio of voices isn't 99 to 1. But even if it is, so what? We each can decide which voices to listen to. Did you see just today the CDC had to admit that Myocarditis, one of the potential side affects from the jab, is not transitory, but rather is a long term risk? There have been hundreds of amateur and professional athletes that have had major heart issues from Myocarditis since we engaged in mass vaccination. I know it is a small percentage of the total, but God forbid one day, a Beaver athlete succumbs to that.
So I have an honest question. Is it selfish or selfish to stop from getting the vaccine because you are afraid of the complications? I think it is selfish. I think it was selfless of the people who were the original guinea pigs we heard about shortly before the vaccine that we know came out. They were brave to risk everything for the advancement of medicine. I think those who got the vaccine and the boosters can be seen both as selfish (preserve their own life, protect themselves) and selfless (protect others, try to curb the pandemic). How exactly can refusing the vaccine be seen as anything but selfish? What are these people doing on behalf of the people around them? I still don't understand. For many people early on, they simply looked at the actual numbers of deaths as a percentage of the population, and said the hysteria being promulgated by big pharma, the government and the press didn't match what they actually saw. As a result, they decided it was unnecessary for them to get the shot. And many, out of the abundance of caution, stayed away from those they thought were truly vulnerable.
I think you are asking a very valid question, I just think the nature of a given virus, how deadly it actually is, who is affected, etc plays a large role in how to answer that question. If, for example, a really deadly virus were to rear it's ugly head, and there was a safe, effective vaccine (think Polio) that wasn't a new untested technology, I would agree it is important to get it. This being a Coronavirus, which means it is a variation of the common cold, the only way to get us to where we needed to be was herd immunity, since it will mutate faster than the vaccines can keep up. Which is why we have never been able to get a vaccine for the common cold. These new generations of chemistries were a shot in the dark, no pun intended, and they have not lived up to their billing. In addition, they have led to a lot of excess deaths around the world.
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 27, 2022 18:09:05 GMT -8
Not sure the details on Malone being vaccinated - would love to see a neutral report on that - if one exists - lol.
I find it amusing you would reference being played. Back in the '60's and '70's, probably before your time, it was the left that claimed we needed to question authority, think for yourself, not listen to the mainstream propaganda, etc. My how things have changed. There are lots of voices, from Dr. Robert Kennedy, Naomi Wolf, Dr. Robert Malone, etc. that have a different point of view. Being willing to look at all of the information out there, not just the mainstream govt/ industrial/ media complex doesn't mean someone is being played. And no, the ratio of voices isn't 99 to 1. But even if it is, so what? We each can decide which voices to listen to. Did you see just today the CDC had to admit that Myocarditis, one of the potential side affects from the jab, is not transitory, but rather is a long term risk? There have been hundreds of amateur and professional athletes that have had major heart issues from Myocarditis since we engaged in mass vaccination. I know it is a small percentage of the total, but God forbid one day, a Beaver athlete succumbs to that.
Question authority is fine and dandy. What answer did you come up with? Why exactly would the government want to inject a vaccine into all of its people if not to protect them and help them through the pandemic? I am not sure I know the question I am answering, so I will say follow the money. Since the beginning of time, the rich/ powerful have been engaged in controlling and fleecing the masses. As to why the government would inject a vaccine into all of the people if not to protect them? I will leave that up to you to decide. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 27, 2022 18:11:58 GMT -8
Question authority is fine and dandy. What answer did you come up with? Why exactly would the government want to inject a vaccine into all of its people if not to protect them and help them through the pandemic? I am not sure I know the question I am answering, so I will say follow the money. Since the beginning of time, the rich/ powerful have been engaged in controlling and fleecing the masses. As to why the government would inject a vaccine into all of the people if not to protect them? I will leave that up to you to decide. Devlin-McGregor? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 27, 2022 19:26:02 GMT -8
I am not sure I know the question I am answering, so I will say follow the money. Since the beginning of time, the rich/ powerful have been engaged in controlling and fleecing the masses. As to why the government would inject a vaccine into all of the people if not to protect them? I will leave that up to you to decide. Devlin-McGregor? Provasic! |
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Post by irimi on Sept 27, 2022 20:52:03 GMT -8
Question authority is fine and dandy. What answer did you come up with? Why exactly would the government want to inject a vaccine into all of its people if not to protect them and help them through the pandemic? I am not sure I know the question I am answering, so I will say follow the money. Since the beginning of time, the rich/ powerful have been engaged in controlling and fleecing the masses. As to why the government would inject a vaccine into all of the people if not to protect them? I will leave that up to you to decide. Then your response is like a horse wearing blinders. You don’t trust the American government. OK. Maybe. Maybe it’s a political thing. Maybe it has something to do with 5g. Maybe it’s Bill Gates’ way of getting information from us. Maybe. But this reasoning falls apart if you look outside of the USA where people and governments also get the vaccine. |
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