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Post by joecool on Jun 14, 2022 15:46:34 GMT -8
Cooper is arguable the best pitcher we ever had? I love Cooper, he was our best this year but the "Best we EVER had" brings up some dudes who did it for more than 1 year. I'm not trying to dis on CH but that statement is just not true... you can't argue he is the best ever. The most strikeouts in one year... yes you can argue that. CH ERA of 2.53, 11-2 with those massive 161 Strike outs with no Omaha games to help. My Best Ever list in no particular order is... Rasmussen - Pitched a Perfect game in 2015 Heimlich - Did it for 4 years. as a Junior ERA of 0.76, 11-1 and 2 Complete games Boyd - Senior year was his best. Fry - ERA of 1.59, 11-1. 4 complete games in 2014 Wetzler - ERA of 0.78, 12-1. 4 complete games in 2014 Nicherson - 2006 was lights out in Omaha. We all have our favorites but to call them the best ever is a very lofty phrase. Fun discussion to have and maybe I haven't changed your mind on Cooper... I'm ok with that. He is a Warrior as Mitch said a few days ago. We are spoiled to have so many to consider and so many situations where pitchers carried this team. Side note... why is the 2016 season absent from the official website statistics? Odd. You have a good point. When making best of lists it usually just amounts to a bunch of cherry picking. We will never know how good Hjerpe was in the college game cause he’s not going to be here. His frosh season was fairly forgettable. Last year he was good/average depending on the outing. This year he was nails. What would he do coming back for 1 more year? Who knows. All the guys on your list are fantastic and can easily have their hat in the stack of best ever. Who knows the best we’ve had could have been 50 years ago and none of us remember them. Hjerpe Is very good. One thing is 100%, he will be the highest drafted pitcher OSU has ever produced. Idk what that really means but there it is. Scott Christman was drafted 17th overall in 1993 so it is not 100% that Hjerpe will be the highest drafted pitcher we've had. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 14, 2022 15:59:03 GMT -8
There's a case to be made for the argument that NO Beaver pitcher has ever had a good MLB career. I'm well-known for erroneous info - so feel free to correct me.
Professional career, Boyd (145 starts) is at 36-72 with an ERA that almost touches "5"....
At this point it's arguable that Rasmussen has had the best MLB career of recent OSU pitchers: 3.38 and 10-4 W/L.... but only 22 starts to date.
[Jace Fry / Patterson had their moments] - I'm sure I've forgotten someone.
None of this equals the individual seasons carved out by position players:
Ellsbury: de-facto AL MVP in 2011.
Darwin Barney: NL Gold Glove in 2012 (2 errors all season with a 4.6 WAR).
Conforto: 2017 All-Star with .939 OPS on the season...and 33 HR in 2019.
Trevor may heat up, but so far .774 OPS in 2022, with flashes of power.
May COOPER HJERPE surpass them ALL !!!!!
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Post by irimi on Jun 14, 2022 16:10:32 GMT -8
A concern is that 3b, SS, and DH spots hitting did not improve as the season progressed. Some of those guys couldn't hit high end fastballs and others couldn't hit a breaking ball. Frustrating to see the lack of improvement and makes me think new incoming players need to step into those spots as current roster may not be enough. Would be nice to have the transfer portal fill those weak spots like Auburn, Texas A&M and others have done. My concern with hitting is too many of our players like to swing for it all instead of putting the ball in play. We got beat by teams that put the ball in play...UCLA, Auburn, Stanford. I think Dernedde has that ability, but he gets fooled by pitches too often. Duke and Gretler like the glory of the big hit. Everyone wants to be a power hitter. We have Guerra, who could be our next 3b. Trosky at short, if not Dernedde, but I think Dernedde will be back and be improved. I'm not concerned about our infield. It's tough to find someone ready to step into the outfield with a great arm and a great bat. That's what we need. A few of them. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 14, 2022 16:12:50 GMT -8
And I appreciate Donkey's walks, most of the time, but like yesterday, we needed him to hit maybe more than draw the walk. We needed somebody to hit. Or a lot of people to walk and no one else was getting on base with patience.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 14, 2022 16:13:50 GMT -8
Woah! The list I looked at was obviously incomplete. I’ve never heard of him. I was 4 though.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 14, 2022 16:16:19 GMT -8
A concern is that 3b, SS, and DH spots hitting did not improve as the season progressed. Some of those guys couldn't hit high end fastballs and others couldn't hit a breaking ball. Frustrating to see the lack of improvement and makes me think new incoming players need to step into those spots as current roster may not be enough. Would be nice to have the transfer portal fill those weak spots like Auburn, Texas A&M and others have done. My concern with hitting is too many of our players like to swing for it all instead of putting the ball in play. We got beat by teams that put the ball in play...UCLA, Auburn, Stanford. I think Dernedde has that ability, but he gets fooled by pitches too often. Duke and Gretler like the glory of the big hit. Everyone wants to be a power hitter. We have Guerra, who could be our next 3b. Trosky at short, if not Dernedde, but I think Dernedde will be back and be improved. I'm not concerned about our infield. It's tough to find someone ready to step into the outfield with a great arm and a great bat. That's what we need. A few of them. What makes you think Dernedde improves? He’s one of the few players from last years run who got worse. Yeah not 31 AB but his slash dropped almost a point across the board. His fielding percentage also took a dive. I hope that SS is left open to competition this off season. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 14, 2022 16:17:34 GMT -8
A concern is that 3b, SS, and DH spots hitting did not improve as the season progressed. Some of those guys couldn't hit high end fastballs and others couldn't hit a breaking ball. Frustrating to see the lack of improvement and makes me think new incoming players need to step into those spots as current roster may not be enough. Would be nice to have the transfer portal fill those weak spots like Auburn, Texas A&M and others have done. My concern with hitting is too many of our players like to swing for it all instead of putting the ball in play. We got beat by teams that put the ball in play...UCLA, Auburn, Stanford. I think Dernedde has that ability, but he gets fooled by pitches too often. Duke and Gretler like the glory of the big hit. Everyone wants to be a power hitter. We have Guerra, who could be our next 3b. Trosky at short, if not Dernedde, but I think Dernedde will be back and be improved. I'm not concerned about our infield. It's tough to find someone ready to step into the outfield with a great arm and a great bat. That's what we need. A few of them. It would be great if Dernedde / Trosky could sort it out so that the best combination of SS / 2B could be achieved. Remember, both Grenier and Madrigal were SS capable. That's NOT meant to compare Dernedde / Trosky to those two all time SS/2B Beaver greats. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 14, 2022 16:30:09 GMT -8
There will be some serious shuffling I suspect. It could be hard keeping Macias and Kennel off the field if they make it to Corvallis. Krieg could push hard at 3rd as well.
Dernedde, Trosky, Wheeler, Guerra, Gretler, Dukart, Macias, Bazanna, Kennel, Forrester, Forrester, Hill, and Krieg. That’s a lot of dudes for 4 infield positions.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 14, 2022 16:32:50 GMT -8
There will be some serious shuffling I suspect. It could be hard keeping Macias and Kennel off the field if they make it to Corvallis. Krieg could push hard at 3rd as well. Dernedde, Trosky, Wheeler, Guerra, Gretler, Dukart, Macias, Bazanna, Kennel, Forrester, Forrester, Hill, and Krieg. That’s a lot of dudes for 4 infield positions. Especially with 2 Forresters! Someone maybe asked to move to the outfield. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 14, 2022 16:35:37 GMT -8
There will be some serious shuffling I suspect. It could be hard keeping Macias and Kennel off the field if they make it to Corvallis. Krieg could push hard at 3rd as well. Dernedde, Trosky, Wheeler, Guerra, Gretler, Dukart, Macias, Bazanna, Kennel, Forrester, Forrester, Hill, and Krieg. That’s a lot of dudes for 4 infield positions. Especially with 2 Forresters! Someone maybe asked to move to the outfield. Donkey double tap! |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 14, 2022 16:41:19 GMT -8
There will be some serious shuffling I suspect. It could be hard keeping Macias and Kennel off the field if they make it to Corvallis. Krieg could push hard at 3rd as well. Dernedde, Trosky, Wheeler, Guerra, Gretler, Dukart, Macias, Bazanna, Kennel, Forrester, Forrester, Hill, and Krieg. That’s a lot of dudes for 4 infield positions. Especially with 2 Forresters! Someone maybe asked to move to the outfield. Probably a mix of that and transfers. Going to be a very competitive off season. I wonder if Brandon also rocks a Mullet |
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 14, 2022 16:44:48 GMT -8
Has anyone seen Kennel play before?
Asking because my nephew plays for a 1a high school in Arizona that 10 runned Santiam. 10-0. He said that Kennel was weak at the plate. Decent in the field.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 14, 2022 16:45:42 GMT -8
There's a case to be made for the argument that NO Beaver pitcher has ever had a good MLB career. I'm well-known for erroneous info - so feel free to correct me. Professional career, Boyd (145 starts) is at 36-72 with an ERA that almost touches "5".... At this point it's arguable that Rasmussen has had the best MLB career of recent OSU pitchers: 3.38 and 10-4 W/L.... but only 22 starts to date. [Jace Fry / Patterson had their moments] - I'm sure I've forgotten someone. None of this equals the individual seasons carved out by position players: Ellsbury: de-facto AL MVP in 2011. Darwin Barney: NL Gold Glove in 2012 (2 errors all season with a 4.6 WAR). Conforto: 2017 All-Star with .939 OPS on the season...and 33 HR in 2019. Trevor may heat up, but so far .774 OPS in 2022, with flashes of power. May COOPER HJERPE surpass them ALL !!!!! Consider yourself corrected. www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/forscke01.shtml |
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Post by chinmusic on Jun 14, 2022 17:23:13 GMT -8
The 2023 Beaver roster is yet TBD - the possibility of of adding an impact transfer or two from the excellent pool of Junior College and Portal talent is yet to unfold. OSU returns a large part of the 2022 team and will add 20 new players from the 2022 recruiting class.
Analyze it and the message is quite clear; if you are an OSU player, over the next 7 months you need to work very hard and prepare yourself for a spirited competition for playing time in '23.
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Post by joecool on Jun 14, 2022 17:35:28 GMT -8
Also the roster limit changes for 2023. It was 40 for 2022.
"Roster size for Spring '23 will be 35, and MAY be up to 40 if a team has seniors who missed 2020 season."
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