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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 7, 2022 7:40:31 GMT -8
I think the issue we have with pitching is that none of our starters get you more than 5/6 and most if not all of our bull pen arms do not have the same effectiveness when pitching more than once a weekend. Id say this is mostly a result of protecting our guys arms throughout a season. Especially in comparison to the way other teams use their “top guys”. Not saying we are wrong for doing it. But it is an advantage when you have some real work horses going into a double elimination tourney. Which i would say we DO NOT have. True but our starters do plenty with our bullpen. Hjerpe - 16 starts ,5+ 15 times, 6+ 11 times. Pfennigs - 10 starts, 5+ 4 times, 6+ 1 time. Kmatz - 15 starts, 5+ 10 times, 6+ 3 times. Hunter - 11 starts, 5+ 5 times, 6+ 1 time. Main starters have 52 starts, 34 5+ outings, 16 6+ outings. So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 7, 2022 7:42:24 GMT -8
We have plenty of good pitchers, but we only have one good left handed pitcher. The only other lefty to throw an inning this year was freshman David Case, who got lit up by Gonzaga early in the year (3 hits, no outs recorded, 3 runs allowed)...though he did throw a fairly clean inning later in the season vs. the same Gonzaga team.
I heard Jim Wilson say earlier in the year that the one weak point in the Beaver lineup this year was the lack of left handed relievers. This may happen again if Auburn has a lefty heavy lineup (haven't looked).
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 7, 2022 7:43:27 GMT -8
True but our starters do plenty with our bullpen. Hjerpe - 16 starts ,5+ 15 times, 6+ 11 times. Pfennigs - 10 starts, 5+ 4 times, 6+ 1 time. Kmatz - 15 starts, 5+ 10 times, 6+ 3 times. Hunter - 11 starts, 5+ 5 times, 6+ 1 time. Main starters have 52 starts, 34 5+ outings, 16 6+ outings. So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. It’s not great or anything but they get the job done. They usually come out when they start losing command. Why leave a struggling starter in when you have Ferrer, Sebby, Lattery, Verberg, Carpenter and Brown available. I’m sure of we needed to we could extend them but we just don’t have a need. |
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Post by jefframp on Jun 7, 2022 7:59:01 GMT -8
So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. It’s not great or anything but they get the job done. They usually come out when they start losing command. Why leave a struggling starter in when you have Ferrer, Sebby, Lattery, Verberg, Carpenter and Brown available. I’m sure of we needed to we could extend them but we just don’t have a need. Did you just mention Carpenter? Yeah, I guess he is available but................ |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 7, 2022 8:04:59 GMT -8
True but our starters do plenty with our bullpen. Hjerpe - 16 starts ,5+ 15 times, 6+ 11 times. Pfennigs - 10 starts, 5+ 4 times, 6+ 1 time. Kmatz - 15 starts, 5+ 10 times, 6+ 3 times. Hunter - 11 starts, 5+ 5 times, 6+ 1 time. Main starters have 52 starts, 34 5+ outings, 16 6+ outings. So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. I think it probably looks a whole lot different if we had a healthy Pfennigs and Will Frisch. Frisch has a career 2.42 ERA in 67 innings and was all-conference last year. They were obviously cautious with Pfennigs coming back during the season after missing about 6 weeks. All things considered, I'd say that's a pretty good job. |
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 7, 2022 8:11:36 GMT -8
So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. I think it probably looks a whole lot different if we had a healthy Pfennigs and Will Frisch. Frisch has a career 2.42 ERA in 67 innings and was all-conference last year. They were obviously cautious with Pfennigs coming back during the season after missing about 6 weeks. All things considered, I'd say that's a pretty good job. 100%. Unfortunately we are only able to consider the players we have available. Moral of the story being. If we need to go Cooper-Ferrer-Sebby-Brown. The next day we will have to go Kmatz-Verburg-Carpenter. And I think we can all agree we hope this is not an elimination game. Point being. We Wish Ferrer, Brown and co looked better when getting the ball back to back days. As of now they struggle. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jun 7, 2022 8:14:17 GMT -8
True but our starters do plenty with our bullpen. Hjerpe - 16 starts ,5+ 15 times, 6+ 11 times. Pfennigs - 10 starts, 5+ 4 times, 6+ 1 time. Kmatz - 15 starts, 5+ 10 times, 6+ 3 times. Hunter - 11 starts, 5+ 5 times, 6+ 1 time. Main starters have 52 starts, 34 5+ outings, 16 6+ outings. So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. Boyd and Wetzler were often about 7 IP starting pitchers. In their (combined) 49 career starts, they racked up 10 Complete Games. Agreed - That is a LOT. As far as Saturday / Sunday pitchers this season, the stats are a bit skewed by the fact that Pfennigs was on a restricted pitch count as he returned. Here's some stats regarding Pfennigs return as a Sunday Starter - April 14: 17 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. April 24: 38 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. May 1: 46 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. May 8: 69 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up 0 Runs in the full game (to TSDTR). |
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 7, 2022 8:17:12 GMT -8
So our Saturday and Sunday guys have gone 6+, 5 times? I dont know if I consider that very good. I miss the days of Boyd and Wetzler throwing complete games. Boyd and Wetzler were often about 7 IP starting pitchers. In their (combined) 49 career starts, they racked up 10 Complete Games. Agreed - That is a LOT. As far as Saturday / Sunday pitchers this season, the stats are a bit skewed by the fact that Pfennigs was on a restricted pitch count as he returned. Here's some stats regarding Pfennigs return as a Sunday Starter - April 14: 17 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. April 24: 38 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. May 1: 46 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up only 1 Run in the full game. May 8: 69 pitches. OSU Wins, giving up 0 Runs in the full game (to TSDTR). If Pfennigs cleans things up we are very dangerous. He has not been great the last month. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 7, 2022 8:18:23 GMT -8
I think the issue we have with pitching is that none of our starters get you more than 5/6 and most if not all of our bull pen arms do not have the same effectiveness when pitching more than once a weekend. Id say this is mostly a result of protecting our guys arms throughout a season. Especially in comparison to the way other teams use their “top guys”. Not saying we are wrong for doing it. But it is an advantage when you have some real work horses going into a double elimination tourney. Which i would say we DO NOT have. That's what baseball is today. Nobody throws complete games. Three times through the order is the max for almost everyone, at any level above high school. Four times to the same guy is just asking for trouble. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 7, 2022 8:21:23 GMT -8
We have plenty of good pitchers, but we only have one good left handed pitcher. The only other lefty to throw an inning this year was freshman David Case, who got lit up by Gonzaga early in the year (3 hits, no outs recorded, 3 runs allowed)...though he did throw a fairly clean inning later in the season vs. the same Gonzaga team. I heard Jim Wilson say earlier in the year that the one weak point in the Beaver lineup this year was the lack of left handed relievers. This may happen again if Auburn has a lefty heavy lineup (haven't looked). That is not true. Thornsteinson has thrown 8 innings this year and he's a lefty. |
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Post by grovestbeav on Jun 7, 2022 9:01:39 GMT -8
I think the issue we have with pitching is that none of our starters get you more than 5/6 and most if not all of our bull pen arms do not have the same effectiveness when pitching more than once a weekend. Id say this is mostly a result of protecting our guys arms throughout a season. Especially in comparison to the way other teams use their “top guys”. Not saying we are wrong for doing it. But it is an advantage when you have some real work horses going into a double elimination tourney. Which i would say we DO NOT have. That's what baseball is today. Nobody throws complete games. Three times through the order is the max for almost everyone, at any level above high school. Four times to the same guy is just asking for trouble. We get it. Problem is our guys are getting 3 times through the order in the 5th. Rather than the 7th. Putting more stress on a bullpen that isnt accustomed to being stretched. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jun 7, 2022 9:43:35 GMT -8
That's what baseball is today. Nobody throws complete games. Three times through the order is the max for almost everyone, at any level above high school. Four times to the same guy is just asking for trouble. We get it. Problem is our guys are getting 3 times through the order in the 5th. Rather than the 7th. Putting more stress on a bullpen that isnt accustomed to being stretched. If our bullpen isn't accustomed to our starters results by now, they've not been paying much attention. Sebby, Ferrer, Brown, sometime Verburg - we've got the arms. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 7, 2022 10:11:50 GMT -8
We have plenty of good pitchers, but we only have one good left handed pitcher. The only other lefty to throw an inning this year was freshman David Case, who got lit up by Gonzaga early in the year (3 hits, no outs recorded, 3 runs allowed)...though he did throw a fairly clean inning later in the season vs. the same Gonzaga team. I heard Jim Wilson say earlier in the year that the one weak point in the Beaver lineup this year was the lack of left handed relievers. This may happen again if Auburn has a lefty heavy lineup (haven't looked). That is not true. Thornsteinson has thrown 8 innings this year and he's a lefty. Well that's my bad. Couldn't remember seeing a lefty throw this year, so I just scanned the roster. Roster page has Thorsteinson listed as a utility player rather than a LHP. My larger point still stands. his 6.75 ERA and 1:1 strikeout to walk ratio don't scream the kind of guy you want to bring in vs. Vandy in a do or die game. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 7, 2022 10:14:45 GMT -8
That is not true. Thornsteinson has thrown 8 innings this year and he's a lefty. Well that's my bad. Couldn't remember seeing a lefty throw this year, so I just scanned the roster. Roster page has Thorsteinson listed as a utility player rather than a LHP. My larger point still stands. his 6.75 ERA and 1:1 strikeout to walk ratio don't scream the kind of guy you want to bring in vs. Vandy in a do or die game. Hjerpe was definitely the right call. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 7, 2022 11:46:11 GMT -8
I think the issue we have with pitching is that none of our starters get you more than 5/6 and most if not all of our bull pen arms do not have the same effectiveness when pitching more than once a weekend. Id say this is mostly a result of protecting our guys arms throughout a season. Especially in comparison to the way other teams use their “top guys”. Not saying we are wrong for doing it. But it is an advantage when you have some real work horses going into a double elimination tourney. Which i would say we DO NOT have. So you would rather have the young stud throw like hell in the tournament and need TJ surgery in the off-season and a year or two to recover? No, thanks. I love our last National Championship, but I’d give it up to have Abel healthy and fine. And if we can win without blowing out arms, then we’re really making a full team, not a team that relies on one or two arms. |
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