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May 25, 2022 11:08:09 GMT -8
Post by qbeaver on May 25, 2022 11:08:09 GMT -8
What happened yesterday was a complete tragedy. No way around it at all. I'm just not sure what the solution is to slowing down these tragedies. Background checks does what? Maybe it stops a few of the shootings,but not all shooters get their guns from a store,gun shop,etc where their purchase can be tracked. I grew up in a home with guns,and had access to them as did many people in my community. 99.99 percent of the gun owners would never even even consider doing something as heinous as what happened yesterday. I don't have all the answers or even a few of them as to how we stop this horrible event. I throw my hands up and am willing to listen to suggestions. Kerr was just frustrated at what happened yesterday and the many times we have had to address these type of events. His family history too shapes his thoughts since his own father was murdered overseas.
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May 25, 2022 11:10:02 GMT -8
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Post by beaver94 on May 25, 2022 11:10:02 GMT -8
Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. What are the problems that the good apples are creating with guns? |
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May 25, 2022 11:11:37 GMT -8
Post by qbeaver on May 25, 2022 11:11:37 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned. What the hell has happened??? You and I went to different schools. Firearms were never allowed in my high school or in the parking lot, even back in the mid-70’s. Somehow, I managed to get an excellent education. Too,my high school had many people who had students who had rifles in their gun rack in the 1970's and 1980's in their vehicles. It was a rural community,and no one that I knew had any intent on anything except going out and bagging a deer during the fall after school. |
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May 25, 2022 11:24:59 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 11:24:59 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. What are the problems that the good apples are creating with guns? Gun culture. Gun worship. Fighting to keep absurd weapons. Fantasizing about guns. Needing more military-looking weapons. Etc. |
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May 25, 2022 11:26:18 GMT -8
Post by beaver94 on May 25, 2022 11:26:18 GMT -8
Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. You're the one shifting blame. I have a relative that was strangled by someone she was nice enough to give a ride home too. Is everyone with hands complicit? No the piece of s%#t that did it is complicit. Stop trying to shift the blame to the tool that garbage people use to enact violence. |
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May 25, 2022 11:31:08 GMT -8
Post by bucktoothvarmit on May 25, 2022 11:31:08 GMT -8
Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. You are way out there now irimi. Are you anti 1st amendment too? Without the 2nd you probably wouldn't have the first for long. Calling responsible firearm owners responsible for this crime is a simplistic way of pointing out your lack of cognitive thinking. Guns, knives, hammers and cars are not the problem here. The best solution I can come up with is for schools to hire an armed security officer to be in charge of campus security and help provide a safe environment for children to learn. The 2nd amendment is here to stay so banning guns is a non starter. As we all know, the only way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun. P. S. I don't like to get personal on this forum but I take exception when it is inferred that I am in anyway responsible for this heinous act. |
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May 25, 2022 11:34:03 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 11:34:03 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. I'm not anti firearm as you seem to be. I am for more effective regulation of this supposed, " Well Regulated Militia". Personal firearms are important implements for hunting, sport and defense of person and property. I have no interest in outlawing those uses. People enjoy them and use them responsibly 24/7/365. But the nihilistic "more guns the better, so arm teachers, librarians and bus drivers" crowd are nuts, period. There has to be a sane, effective solution. Status quo is not acceptable. Your approach is reasonable; mine is not. I recognize that. In fact, I used to be like you, but I've changed because too often I hear the responsible gun owners shifting blame and deflecting when something like this occurs, so the end result is that nothing changes. Responsible gun owners are afraid of losing their guns. Why? If they work toward a solution with people like me and fewer shootings happen, then people like me would have nothing to complain about. I'd love that. |
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May 25, 2022 11:36:32 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 11:36:32 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. You are way out there now irimi. Are you anti 1st amendment too? Without the 2nd you probably wouldn't have the first for long. Calling responsible firearm owners responsible for this crime is a simplistic way of pointing out your lack of cognitive thinking. Guns, knives, hammers and cars are not the problem here. The best solution I can come up with is for schools to hire an armed security officer to be in charge of campus security and help provide a safe environment for children to learn. The 2nd amendment is here to stay so banning guns is a non starter. As we all know, the only way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun. P. S. I don't like to get personal on this forum but I take exception when it is inferred that I am in anyway responsible for this heinous act. I don't take your response personally. I know. You love your guns. They are part of your ego. You can't imagine a world without them. That's a sad state to live in. |
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May 25, 2022 11:36:53 GMT -8
Post by qbeaver on May 25, 2022 11:36:53 GMT -8
Don't own a gun...nor do I have any interest in owning one. People who are law abiding citizens who do own guns protect their right to own one like many of you would protect your right to assemble or the right to free speech in this country. Many people love their right to bear arms and may love to just shoot,protect their families or to hunt to feed their families especially in rural areas. It's a minuscule percentage of people who we are talking about who make these tragic discussions necessary in our country. Gun violence is an epidemic in this country in areas that have strict gun laws as well as less strict gun laws.
I do have family members who love the outdoors and hunting. It has nothing to do with ego. They hunted to feed their families. Also,my son and dad hunted together and loved the outdoors and the time they had together. Those memories together of getting a deer and the teaching of this will last my son a lifetime. Precious memories. Even if they didn't get anything,it didn't matter. Law abiding citizens should have this right and not be lumped into the mix with this kid yesterday.
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May 25, 2022 11:38:56 GMT -8
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on May 25, 2022 11:38:56 GMT -8
You are way out there now irimi. Are you anti 1st amendment too? Without the 2nd you probably wouldn't have the first for long. Calling responsible firearm owners responsible for this crime is a simplistic way of pointing out your lack of cognitive thinking. Guns, knives, hammers and cars are not the problem here. The best solution I can come up with is for schools to hire an armed security officer to be in charge of campus security and help provide a safe environment for children to learn. The 2nd amendment is here to stay so banning guns is a non starter. As we all know, the only way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun. P. S. I don't like to get personal on this forum but I take exception when it is inferred that I am in anyway responsible for this heinous act. I don't take your response personally. I know. You love your guns. They are part of your ego. You can't imagine a world without them. That's a sad state to live in. Obviously you don't know me at all |
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May 25, 2022 11:39:22 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 11:39:22 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. You're the one shifting blame. I have a relative that was strangled by someone she was nice enough to give a ride home too. Is everyone with hands complicit? No the piece of s%#t that did it is complicit. Stop trying to shift the blame to the tool that garbage people use to enact violence. I am saying that gun culture is the blame. I'm not aware of magazines devoted to strangulation nor of strangulation shows or of places where you can perfect your strangulation technique. Yes, mental illness is a problem, but it is a problem in every society, while mass shootings seem to be the norm for ours. |
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May 25, 2022 11:45:42 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 11:45:42 GMT -8
I don't take your response personally. I know. You love your guns. They are part of your ego. You can't imagine a world without them. That's a sad state to live in. Obviously you don't know me at all Ok, then let me try again. If what I said was untrue, then why is it so hard for you to conceive of regulating guns further? Why not make them harder to own? Why not make the owners responsible for them? Why not expect people to have passed exams before purchasing them? Why not expect people to carry liability insurance on them? Because of the 2nd Amendment? |
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May 25, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -8
Post by nuclearbeaver on May 25, 2022 13:09:52 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. You are way out there now irimi. Are you anti 1st amendment too? Without the 2nd you probably wouldn't have the first for long. Calling responsible firearm owners responsible for this crime is a simplistic way of pointing out your lack of cognitive thinking. Guns, knives, hammers and cars are not the problem here. The best solution I can come up with is for schools to hire an armed security officer to be in charge of campus security and help provide a safe environment for children to learn. The 2nd amendment is here to stay so banning guns is a non starter. As we all know, the only way to stop a bad person with a gun is with a good person with a gun. P. S. I don't like to get personal on this forum but I take exception when it is inferred that I am in anyway responsible for this heinous act. Its really not him saying you are directly responsible. We are all part of one society that accept and create the rules simply by existing within in. Just like money isn't real, we all just collectively decide its real. We are responsible for money having value and we are responsible for what our society allows to happen. There are things that could be done to save some kids lives and they have been there for 50 years. It has not happened so that means society either values other things to a greater extent or do not push against the powers directing the apathy. Since we have allowed it to happen as a society it we all have an amount of responsibility. Just like we are all responsible for invasions of other countries whether we supported it or not, we are a collective society called a nation. Its like any wedge issue in politics. Its used to divide us when in reality the amount of freaks who think its okay that kids are getting shot is not even a relevant part of the population, its like 99.999999%. As Carlin said all the time they keep us divided so they can go to the bank. Were not in the club that controls everything but we also do not resist the club. |
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May 25, 2022 13:25:59 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on May 25, 2022 13:25:59 GMT -8
I don't take your response personally. I know. You love your guns. They are part of your ego. You can't imagine a world without them. That's a sad state to live in. Obviously you don't know me at all Just read his posts. His lame assumption of what every responsible gun owners want!! One of the most judgemental people on this board. Stereotype should be his middle name. Plus, he's never wrong. Even when he admitted his approach is unreasonable, he excuses it. Yet other views have no merit. Lol Plus of course he didn't take your post personally, he just makes his so. Then states if his assumptions about you are wrong, why don't you think like him! It's hilarious. PS- aren't there magazines about, knives? Cars? Tools of various types used in violent crimes? And, gun violence is up in some areas, down in others, but not the "norm". And most "violent" crime doesn't involve a gun. |
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May 25, 2022 13:35:29 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on May 25, 2022 13:35:29 GMT -8
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing (maybe Edmund Burke).
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