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Post by bucktoothvarmit on May 25, 2022 6:37:40 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned.
What the hell has happened???
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May 25, 2022 6:40:29 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 25, 2022 6:40:29 GMT -8
Now this is a great use of one's platform. Megakudos to Coach Kerr. If it happened with a Chinese made weapon Kerr would be silent. Funny…but not at all. Steve’s Dad was killed by a two jihadists in 1984 while serving as AUB president. He was just walking down a hallway and got shot twice in the back of the head. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 25, 2022 6:52:49 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned. What the hell has happened??? You and I went to different schools. Firearms were never allowed in my high school or in the parking lot, even back in the mid-70’s. Somehow, I managed to get an excellent education. |
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May 25, 2022 7:10:42 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 25, 2022 7:10:42 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned. What the hell has happened??? It’s a good question. Many things have been blamed and debunked and scapegoated over the years. Anyone who’s 30+ can probably remember Congress going after video games after Columbine. Here’s a super depressing list of known US shootings/bombings. www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-statesMost of them are crimes of passion, such as a 15 year old killing a dean when he tried to confiscate pin up pictures, but there is a shift to premeditated action in the 1966 starting with the Whitman observation deck shooting in Austin Texas. I saw a talk from sociologist discussing gun violence and he pointed to this one as having a similar mental affect as breaking the 4 minute mile. Prior to Whitman shootings were usually specific to an event and the motive limited to specific victims. Whitmans shooting was the first where the victims were seemingly random. Students also were not usually the victim prior to Whitman with most shootings being between parents and staff or students shooting staff. The first major mass shooting by a minor is fairly unknown but occurred in 1974 in New York. This was also where the loner kid trophe started when the shooters journals were discovered with many ‘battle plans’ for the school. Things were pretty calm until the late 80’s and really haven’t stopped since. It has just continued to escalate. Not a ton of factors are easily isolated from the past. Some things that have been consistently noted are that increases have come with the rise of 247 visual media. Most modern shootings have a shooter with a message for society and want to be seen. There has been some theories that the idea of coming up on national news has lead to unhealthy fantasy’s of fame/infamy that being a footnote in a regional news paper just couldn’t manage. There are some theories that show correlation between increased gun violence and decreased family size with the concept being kids have fewer examples and less over site. The answer is probably complex and has many factors that are hard to isolate and probably underpin major structures of American society. The focus on gun violence is simple though, anyone can kill anyone with a gun. Everyone who isn’t strapped and ready for actual modern combat is extremely vulnerable to firearms. Modern firearms have far higher velocities, fire rate and capacity since WW2. Are guns the reason for gun violence? No not really at all, there are underpinning issues with society that make people think this is viable action. We don’t really know what they are and we’re probably unwilling to change a bunch of them. So guns are targeted because they are easy to get, incredibly destructive and can be used by anyone with some very basic skills, it can be done by accident if guns are left loaded. |
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May 25, 2022 7:30:12 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 7:30:12 GMT -8
You denigrate a source and yet provide none of your own. I'm not defending the link or how it's calculated but you sure seem to argue against without citing anything. You are willfully ignoring valid statistics. It's a sickness. You want the US to be compared to Pakistan? I don't. And that Pakistan attack wasn't carried out by crazy 18 yo, but by the Taliban. So apples and f%#*ing oranges. Gunfire on School Grounds in the United States: Since 2013 there were at least 925 incidents of gunfire on school grounds, resulting in 295 deaths and 621 injuries nationally. Not including today's mass murder of 15+ at and elementary school in Texas.Wilky thinks this is OK because not everyone of them was a mass shooting and others countries have school shootings too. "School shootings are considered by many to be an epidemic in the United States, as is gun violence in general. According to data from Everytown Research, the United States averaged just over 87 school shootings each year from 2013 to 2021, resulting in an annual average of 28.4 dead and 59.6 wounded. A 2018 CNN feature used slightly tighter criteria and tallied a comparatively lower 288 school shootings in the United States between 2009 and 2018—however, the country with the second-most school shootings during that period, Mexico, experienced only eight shootings during that same time period." The post I was originally responding to was: "Idk why our society chooses to have this s%#t happen. It’s an option that most of the world doesn’t deal with. Still waiting on thoughts and prayers to solve it." My only point was that all three sentences are offensive, uninformed and wrong. I guess that death in other countries does not matter. Just because you do not hear about it does not mean that it does not happen. (snip, snip) All 3 are offensive? Start with the last one. Are you offended because people offer their thoughts and prayers to the victims? Are you offended because obviously those thoughts and prayers have done nothing to solve this problem? Are you offended because God is laughing at us, knowing that we have the power to make it all go away but we don't choose it? Are you offended because a lot of religious people are gun-owners even though Christ said something like beat your swords into plowshares and turn the other cheek? How does it offend you? Look at the first sentence. Are you offended that OP is disgusted by the frequency of these mass shootings in our society? Does that imply that you are not disgusted by these shootings? And the contentious middle statement. OK. We get it. The USofA is not the worst place in the world when it comes to mass shootings, by your reckoning. And maybe you have statistics from rather lawless states where there are more. But look at what you are holding up as an example. Would you move there? Would you want to live there? If your aim is to be NOT the greatest country in the world, then ok, you can compare us with Thailand, Hungary, India, and the like. Sure. I thought you were proud of your country and patriotic. LOL. U S A! We're the greatest country in the world (except in controlling mass shootings, medical care, mental health care, homelessness, and some other pesky internal problems that greatly affect the quality of life). |
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May 25, 2022 8:17:08 GMT -8
Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 8:17:08 GMT -8
If it happened with a Chinese made weapon Kerr would be silent. Funny…but not at all. Steve’s Dad was killed by a two jihadists in 1984 while serving as AUB president. He was just walking down a hallway and got shot twice in the back of the head. I know. And it's tragic. And Kerr is a good basketball coach. Maybe you don't know that he has opinions on every social topic that comes up, but when asked about China and the treatment of its people, he has no comment. Don't want to upset the money maker. That was the sole point I was making. |
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May 25, 2022 8:25:00 GMT -8
Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 8:25:00 GMT -8
Yeah, because that would have stopped this sick nutball. I'm currently reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, which I regret not having read as younger man. It is beautifully written, even though it is overly religious. As you probably know, it is a treatise on the slavery issue, and its goal is to show that slavery is evil, even among kind owners of slaves. Very ambitious. One character says to the other, essentially, if all slave holders were evil and terrible with their slaves, then slavery would be seen as the evil and corrupt system it is. It would be thrown out in a second. I bring this up because I think it is fitting. I know that the comparison isn't exactly equal, but it makes an interesting point that separating the "good" owners from the "bad" owners allows you to escape talking about the real issue: doing something about gun ownership. The US has done very little to address this national problem in order to kowtow to gun owners and the NRA. You cannot separate yourself from the "nutballs." You all have blood on your hands, and more often than not, it's the blood of schoolchildren. Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. |
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May 25, 2022 8:35:02 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on May 25, 2022 8:35:02 GMT -8
The name calling and insults are really helping! Way to go!  |
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May 25, 2022 8:48:50 GMT -8
Post by nuclearbeaver on May 25, 2022 8:48:50 GMT -8
Funny…but not at all. Steve’s Dad was killed by a two jihadists in 1984 while serving as AUB president. He was just walking down a hallway and got shot twice in the back of the head. I know. And it's tragic. And Kerr is a good basketball coach. Maybe you don't know that he has opinions on every social topic that comes up, but when asked about China and its treatment of its people, he has no comment. Don't want to upset the money maker. That was the sole point I was making. Oh no I totally get it. The entire NBA system seems to have a gag order on China. $$ beats morality in the NBA which is one of the reasons I have lost interest. Specifically when Lebron straight up sold out to China I really lost interest in the rat race. Joke was just too close to the chest with Kerr for me to say nothing cause Im an overreactive Chad. |
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May 25, 2022 8:59:21 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 8:59:21 GMT -8
I know. And it's tragic. And Kerr is a good basketball coach. Maybe you don't know that he has opinions on every social topic that comes up, but when asked about China and its treatment of its people, he has no comment. Don't want to upset the money maker. That was the sole point I was making. Oh no I totally get it. The entire NBA system seems to have a gag order on China. $$ beats morality in the NBA which is one of the reasons I have lost interest. Specifically when Lebron straight up sold out to China I really lost interest in the rat race. Joke was just too close to the chest with Kerr for me to say nothing cause Im an overreactive Chad. It wasn’t a joke. |
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Post by beaverdude on May 25, 2022 9:02:34 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned. What the hell has happened??? In 8th grade I made a custom stock for my Ruger .22 rifle in woodshop. Walked to school with it slung over my shoulder. |
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May 25, 2022 9:58:48 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on May 25, 2022 9:58:48 GMT -8
I just can't wrap my feeble mind around what has gone wrong with our youth and culture in the last 40 years. During deer hunting season, when I was in HS, I and several others had rifles in gun racks in our pick-ups sitting in the school parking lot. No one thought anything about it. Kids would bring them to wood shop to refinish stocks. No one was the least concerned. What the hell has happened??? In 8th grade I made a custom stock for my Ruger .22 rifle in woodshop. Walked to school with it slung over my shoulder. "Walked to school" is one thing. But for a middle school kid (13-14 years old) to be strolling the halls of school with a rifle "slung over his shoulder" is absurd. It was in 1972 and it is today. If what you say is true, I'd be interested to know when your old middle school stopped allowing 8th graders to carry firearms in the hallways. Assuming the policy has changed. |
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May 25, 2022 10:35:16 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 10:35:16 GMT -8
Funny…but not at all. Steve’s Dad was killed by a two jihadists in 1984 while serving as AUB president. He was just walking down a hallway and got shot twice in the back of the head. I know. And it's tragic. And Kerr is a good basketball coach. Maybe you don't know that he has opinions on every social topic that comes up, but when asked about China and the treatment of its people, he has no comment. Don't want to upset the money maker. That was the sole point I was making. It's an important point. People think too much with their wallets in this country. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 10:47:15 GMT -8
I'm currently reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, which I regret not having read as younger man. It is beautifully written, even though it is overly religious. As you probably know, it is a treatise on the slavery issue, and its goal is to show that slavery is evil, even among kind owners of slaves. Very ambitious. One character says to the other, essentially, if all slave holders were evil and terrible with their slaves, then slavery would be seen as the evil and corrupt system it is. It would be thrown out in a second. I bring this up because I think it is fitting. I know that the comparison isn't exactly equal, but it makes an interesting point that separating the "good" owners from the "bad" owners allows you to escape talking about the real issue: doing something about gun ownership. The US has done very little to address this national problem in order to kowtow to gun owners and the NRA. You cannot separate yourself from the "nutballs." You all have blood on your hands, and more often than not, it's the blood of schoolchildren. Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 25, 2022 11:06:25 GMT -8
Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. I'm not anti firearm as you seem to be. I am for more effective regulation of this supposed, " Well Regulated Militia". Personal firearms are important implements for hunting, sport and defense of person and property. I have no interest in outlawing those uses. People enjoy them and use them responsibly 24/7/365. But the nihilistic "more guns the better, so arm teachers, librarians and bus drivers" crowd are nuts, period. There has to be a sane, effective solution. Status quo is not acceptable. |
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