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Post by beaverdude on May 25, 2022 14:24:46 GMT -8
"Walked to school" is one thing. But for a middle school kid (13-14 years old) to be strolling the halls of school with a rifle "slung over his shoulder" is absurd. It was in 1972 and it is today. If what you say is true, I'd be interested to know when your old middle school stopped allowing 8th graders to carry firearms in the hallways. Assuming the policy has changed. I was in 8th grade in 1972 and making a rifle stock was one of the wood shop projects at North Clackamas schools. My youngest brother made one in 1980 so it was allowed at least another 8 years. We learned to respect firearms at a young age. We knew they weren't toys. The ammunition stayed home. It wasn't absurd, it was what we did. |
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May 25, 2022 14:37:00 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on May 25, 2022 14:37:00 GMT -8
"Walked to school" is one thing. But for a middle school kid (13-14 years old) to be strolling the halls of school with a rifle "slung over his shoulder" is absurd. It was in 1972 and it is today. If what you say is true, I'd be interested to know when your old middle school stopped allowing 8th graders to carry firearms in the hallways. Assuming the policy has changed. I was in 8th grade in 1972 and making a rifle stock was one of the wood shop projects at North Clackamas schools. My youngest brother made one in 1980 so it was allowed at least another 8 years. We learned to respect firearms at a young age. We knew they weren't toys. The ammunition stayed home. It wasn't absurd, it was what we did. Kids in HS drove rigs to school with rifles in their gun racks well into the 2000's. I'm not sure anyone ever questioned if they had ammo/were loaded?! |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 14:45:30 GMT -8
Are you saying that I have blood on my hands? If so, you are incorrect. I am not nor have ever been a member of the NRA or any gun group. Shame on you for associating me with this horrible tragedy. I am sorry but I don't have any real solutions to the problem. Other than in some cases the laws were not enforced that would have stopped some of the criminals from getting a weapon at the point of the background check. But that's not very often. Parents giving obviously deranged kids guns like the Sandy Hook tragedy is hard to believe, but not sure what law would prevent that. Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. No, I'm not saying anything about slaves. You were. I don't have any opinion nor do I care about the comparison. What about the nut that drove the car through the Holiday parade? Dead is dead, gun or car. Do you own a car? Then by your logic, if you own a car you are part of the problem. No, you aren't, because that's dumb. Just because many things can be used as a weapon doesn't mean other owners of those things are "part of the problem." No, I am not guilty, and don't have blood on my hands. I guess I'm weird because I lay the blame on the criminal for committing the heinous act. Maybe some extends to his parents for the way he was brought up, I don't know. But your understandable emotion on the issue doesn't excuse you from accusing others on this board of being complicit in this tragedy. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 15:19:18 GMT -8
Are you saying that people who held slaves but treated them nicely were not a part of the problem? I am saying that anyone who owns guns is part of the problem, especially because they try to suggest that it's only the bad apples that create problems with guns. You can shift the blame to the healthcare system or to the crazy people or to violent video games, but the root is still there. Guns. If you own guns then you are part of the system that enables these killings to continue. In fact, we are all guilty, and we all have blood on our hands. We do so little to listen or to try to prevent these attacks. No, I'm not saying anything about slaves. You were. I don't have any opinion nor do I care about the comparison. What about the nut that drove the car through the Holiday parade? Dead is dead, gun or car. Do you own a car? Then by your logic, if you own a car you are part of the problem. No, you aren't, because that's dumb. Just because many things can be used as a weapon doesn't mean other owners of those things are "part of the problem." No, I am not guilty, and don't have blood on my hands. I guess I'm weird because I lay the blame on the criminal for committing the heinous act. Maybe some extends to his parents for the way he was brought up, I don't know. But your understandable emotion on the issue doesn't excuse you from accusing others on this board of being complicit in this tragedy. Yes, as a car owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing. I took the exams when I needed to. I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers. I keep my insurance up to date. And I keep my car safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car. If you expect respect as a gun owner, then work to safeguard all citizens as well. Don’t just say that not all gun owners are bad. Find better ways to weed out the trouble. Any solution has got to involve give and take. Seeing gun owners stand p and say that they are willing to do more would be a helluva start. It’s not hard, but you can’t keep looking the other way because you might be a responsible gun owner. And I did say that as long as nothing is being done, all Americans are complicit. |
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May 25, 2022 15:31:46 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 15:31:46 GMT -8
"Walked to school" is one thing. But for a middle school kid (13-14 years old) to be strolling the halls of school with a rifle "slung over his shoulder" is absurd. It was in 1972 and it is today. If what you say is true, I'd be interested to know when your old middle school stopped allowing 8th graders to carry firearms in the hallways. Assuming the policy has changed. I was in 8th grade in 1972 and making a rifle stock was one of the wood shop projects at North Clackamas schools. My youngest brother made one in 1980 so it was allowed at least another 8 years. We learned to respect firearms at a young age. We knew they weren't toys. The ammunition stayed home. It wasn't absurd, it was what we did. I understand, but in 1972, there weren’t even video games. The world has changed substantially since then, and we can’t bury our heads and pretend it hasn’t. Moreover, it’s likely that the types of firearms you were around were mainly the hunting type, but what’s too easily available these days looks more suitable for modern warfare. The past is gone. Let’s make 2022 better by controlling weapons available to citizens. And let’s make them learn to respect those weapons. Lots of people who own guns didn’t grow up with them the way you did. So who teaches them? You’ve seen the stupid videos where the kid or adult is trying to pose as a gang banger for Tik tok or whatever and the gun goes off. This is the culture that we have to fight. You were lucky. You learned from your father or grandfather. |
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May 25, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 15:34:26 GMT -8
No, I'm not saying anything about slaves. You were. I don't have any opinion nor do I care about the comparison. What about the nut that drove the car through the Holiday parade? Dead is dead, gun or car. Do you own a car? Then by your logic, if you own a car you are part of the problem. No, you aren't, because that's dumb. Just because many things can be used as a weapon doesn't mean other owners of those things are "part of the problem." No, I am not guilty, and don't have blood on my hands. I guess I'm weird because I lay the blame on the criminal for committing the heinous act. Maybe some extends to his parents for the way he was brought up, I don't know. But your understandable emotion on the issue doesn't excuse you from accusing others on this board of being complicit in this tragedy. Yes, as a car owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing. I took the exams when I needed to. I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers. I keep my insurance up to date. And I keep my car safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car. If you expect respect as a gun owner, then work to safeguard all citizens as well. Don’t just say that not all gun owners are bad. Find better ways to weed out the trouble. Any solution has got to involve give and take. Seeing gun owners stand p and say that they are willing to do more would be a helluva start. It’s not hard, but you can’t keep looking the other way because you might be a responsible gun owner. And I did say that as long as nothing is being done, all Americans are complicit. So many things to point out there... Your argument has now become (more) absurd and off the rails. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 15:34:58 GMT -8
Yes, as a car owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing. I took the exams when I needed to. I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers. I keep my insurance up to date. And I keep my car safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car. If you expect respect as a gun owner, then work to safeguard all citizens as well. Don’t just say that not all gun owners are bad. Find better ways to weed out the trouble. Any solution has got to involve give and take. Seeing gun owners stand p and say that they are willing to do more would be a helluva start. It’s not hard, but you can’t keep looking the other way because you might be a responsible gun owner. And I did say that as long as nothing is being done, all Americans are complicit. Your argument has now become (more) absurd and off the rails. Why? Because expecting gun owners to want to help solve the problem is a fool’s errand? I agree, sadly. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 25, 2022 15:38:27 GMT -8
Yes, as a car owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing. I took the exams when I needed to. I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers. I keep my insurance up to date. And I keep my car safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car. If you expect respect as a gun owner, then work to safeguard all citizens as well. Don’t just say that not all gun owners are bad. Find better ways to weed out the trouble. Any solution has got to involve give and take. Seeing gun owners stand p and say that they are willing to do more would be a helluva start. It’s not hard, but you can’t keep looking the other way because you might be a responsible gun owner. And I did say that as long as nothing is being done, all Americans are complicit. So many things to point out there... Your argument has now become (more) absurd and off the rails. I wonder... when is the last time he has taken an actual driving test? Betting it was over 40 years. But, of course there were far less cars/drivers. You'd think such a guy would volunteer to take one every few years. Times have changed! Ridiculous? Yep. But, not in relation to his posts! Of course, if you keep changing the target and leaving out other aspects previously mentioned it sounds better. |
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May 25, 2022 15:41:06 GMT -8
Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 15:41:06 GMT -8
Your argument has now become (more) absurd and off the rails. Why? Because expecting gun owners to want to help solve the problem is a fool’s errand? I agree, sadly. Yes, as a car gun owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars guns were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing (as did I). I took the exams when I needed to (as did I). I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers criminals. I keep my insurance up to date (as do I). And I keep my car gun safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car gun. Huh. Would you look at that? But that was just for illustration. You still wouldn't be complicit if a random car purposefully ran through a crowd of people just because you have a car. Like I said before, that's just dumb. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 15:41:45 GMT -8
well, we can't have civil discussion on a web forum...and we wonder why our so called leaders in DC can't have a civil discussion....Says a lot, yes? f%#* off! |
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May 25, 2022 15:58:57 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on May 25, 2022 15:58:57 GMT -8
"Walked to school" is one thing. But for a middle school kid (13-14 years old) to be strolling the halls of school with a rifle "slung over his shoulder" is absurd. It was in 1972 and it is today. If what you say is true, I'd be interested to know when your old middle school stopped allowing 8th graders to carry firearms in the hallways. Assuming the policy has changed. I was in 8th grade in 1972 and making a rifle stock was one of the wood shop projects at North Clackamas schools. My youngest brother made one in 1980 so it was allowed at least another 8 years. We learned to respect firearms at a young age. We knew they weren't toys. The ammunition stayed home. It wasn't absurd, it was what we did. Responsible 13-14 year old boys. I was a 13-14 year old boy once. Most of the time I was pretty responsible. When I wasn't doing reckless harebrained stuff, yeah I was responsible. That's admittedly just my subjective experience. |
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Post by irimi on May 25, 2022 16:22:21 GMT -8
Why? Because expecting gun owners to want to help solve the problem is a fool’s errand? I agree, sadly. Yes, as a car gun owner I would be complicit in the attack, if cars guns were not already heavily regulated or if I stood against said regulations. But instead, I pay my licensing (as did I). I took the exams when I needed to (as did I). I pay taxes so that the local police can monitor and catch dangerous drivers criminals. I keep my insurance up to date (as do I). And I keep my car gun safe and locked up when not in use. When I sell it, there are legalities that I must observe or I will remain responsible for the car gun. Huh. Would you look at that? But that was just for illustration. You still wouldn't be complicit if a random car purposefully ran through a crowd of people just because you have a car. Like I said before, that's just dumb. Thank you for the response. As far as I know, you are only required to pass a class/license if you want to conceal carry. And are you required to carry liability insurance on your guns? That’s awesome! I understand that you want to keep your hands clean from the shootings. I’m happy that you say you are a responsible gun owner. So what can be done to make other gun owners like you? Is it enough to say that I keep my guns safe, so I don’t have to think about the problem or work toward a solution? That is how we all become complicit. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 16:38:51 GMT -8
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Post by ag87 on May 25, 2022 16:56:08 GMT -8
I don't understand this. A week ago (?) someone went into a grocery store and started killing random people. Yesterday, someone took a weapon of war to an elementary school and started slaughtering children. Yet we have posters here, whom I would probably like if we met in person, who say there's nothing we can do. Another person said compared to Honderous, our problem isn't that big. Today I read that cars kill more people. Ive read others that say the 2nd amendment prevents us from trying to fix this problem. I understand a US Senator is so in love with his job and the money from the NRA, that he/she will try to do anything to not stop the slaughter of children. But you, why do you say there is nothing we can do? Why do you try to rationalize this behavior. I urge you to imagine what a nine-year-old's body looks like after being shot a dozen times by an AR rifle. Think about that tonight when you are quiet and having a moment with God.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 25, 2022 18:08:08 GMT -8
I don't understand this. A week ago (?) someone went into a grocery store and started killing random people. Yesterday, someone took a weapon of war to an elementary school and started slaughtering children. Yet we have posters here, whom I would probably like if we met in person, who say there's nothing we can do. Another person said compared to Honderous, our problem isn't that big. Today I read that cars kill more people. Ive read others that say the 2nd amendment prevents us from trying to fix this problem. I understand a US Senator is so in love with his job and the money from the NRA, that he/she will try to do anything to not stop the slaughter of children. But you, why do you say there is nothing we can do? Why do you try to rationalize this behavior. I urge you to imagine what a nine-year-old's body looks like after being shot a dozen times by an AR rifle. Think about that tonight when you are quiet and having a moment with God. Who are you responding/directing this post to? |
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