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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 31, 2022 19:14:37 GMT -8
Well, as the country western song goes, "there are 3 sides to every story: your side, my side, and the cold hard truth". In the department of "cold hard truth", I am sure the following things are true: - we have an emotionally charged situation (I have taken umbrage at what I viewed as the treatment my kids were receiving from their various sports coaches at times, and I can attest to the fact that emotions can cloud/color/influence parental perceptions). - we have a coach that has taken us on a roller coaster ride in terms of winning and losing, leading to a wide range of opinions in the fan base. Put those two things together, and mention of former players faces being edited out of banners by coaches might be among the more benign rumors/truths/lies depending on how this issue festers/percolates/is litigated in the courts of social media. Go Beavers! Your two facts show exactly why we need to see what Tinkle can do this season to turn things around. I doubt that we will ever really know the truth about last season, and certainly, we'll never hear all sides of the matter. So we have to decide if the roller coaster ride is worth it or not. I think it's worth giving Tinkle this year to see what he can do with a fresh deck of cards. I've never been a fan of Tinkle, except that first year where he proved that he can do more with less. The Elite Eight year, I was all about the players. As far as social media is concerned, I am pretty sure that it's a minor factor in the hiring, retention, or firing of a coach. At least, it ought to be and we're doomed if those making the decisions are listening to either you or me about whether to keep Tinkle or not. Correct about the Elite 8 run, that had very little to do with coaching. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 31, 2022 21:28:08 GMT -8
Your two facts show exactly why we need to see what Tinkle can do this season to turn things around. I doubt that we will ever really know the truth about last season, and certainly, we'll never hear all sides of the matter. So we have to decide if the roller coaster ride is worth it or not. I think it's worth giving Tinkle this year to see what he can do with a fresh deck of cards. I've never been a fan of Tinkle, except that first year where he proved that he can do more with less. The Elite Eight year, I was all about the players. As far as social media is concerned, I am pretty sure that it's a minor factor in the hiring, retention, or firing of a coach. At least, it ought to be and we're doomed if those making the decisions are listening to either you or me about whether to keep Tinkle or not. Correct about the Elite 8 run, that had very little to do with coaching. I didn’t say that. I said that I only paid attention to the players, and they were having a great time. Show me that coaching had nothing to do with the run. Otherwise, I have to believe that he deserves credit. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 1, 2022 11:20:51 GMT -8
Correct about the Elite 8 run, that had very little to do with coaching. I didn’t say that. I said that I only paid attention to the players, and they were having a great time. Show me that coaching had nothing to do with the run. Otherwise, I have to believe that he deserves credit. Show you? Look at the results. Otherwise Wayne would be in the tourney year after year.  Definitely helped that the first two teams OSU faced shot very poorly, and not all of that was from defensive pressure. |
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Post by babeav on Sept 1, 2022 13:54:10 GMT -8
I didn’t say that. I said that I only paid attention to the players, and they were having a great time. Show me that coaching had nothing to do with the run. Otherwise, I have to believe that he deserves credit. Show you? Look at the results. Otherwise Wayne would be in the tourney year after year. Definitely helped that the first two teams OSU faced shot very poorly, and not all of that was from defensive pressure. Thanks for that recap coach…… |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 1, 2022 14:07:54 GMT -8
I didn’t say that. I said that I only paid attention to the players, and they were having a great time. Show me that coaching had nothing to do with the run. Otherwise, I have to believe that he deserves credit. Show you? Look at the results. Otherwise Wayne would be in the tourney year after year. Definitely helped that the first two teams OSU faced shot very poorly, and not all of that was from defensive pressure. Just most of it was from defensive pressure? Like 99%. But there is still that 1% that totally wasn't Tinkle. That 1%? Flying Spaghetti Monster. You crack me up, Fuzzy. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 1, 2022 14:59:27 GMT -8
I didn’t say that. I said that I only paid attention to the players, and they were having a great time. Show me that coaching had nothing to do with the run. Otherwise, I have to believe that he deserves credit. Show you? Look at the results. Otherwise Wayne would be in the tourney year after year. Definitely helped that the first two teams OSU faced shot very poorly, and not all of that was from defensive pressure. Look at results? That doesn't make sense. The results were an Elite 8 run. And an impressive run through the Pac 12 Tourney. Those are good results. From the coach? From the players? I watch my share of sports and while I'm no walking sports almanac, I have seen excellent players and coaches get robbed of playing in the playoffs time and time again. It happens. I have seen weak teams overachieve with a good coach and make it to the playoffs. I have seen great players lift their team into the playoffs without a decent coach. It's sports, man. Lots of stuff happens. Making it into the playoffs or not making it to the playoffs isn't the proverbial line in the sand. Too many other factors. Yes, all of those other factors turned against us last year, and I wouldn't have been surprised if they had fired Tinkle, but there were too many reasons to hold on to him, not the least of which involved money. So what are you going to do? Sit back and criticize and bitch and moan? Or support the Orange and Black? Maybe you're rooting for another crash and burn season, but be careful what you wish for. If you get it, we'll be back to square one. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 1, 2022 15:37:05 GMT -8
I admit I've just been a casual fan of basketball ever since Miller left. But I don't think anything got truly exposed last year. I still am not clear on where the fault lies. I know it was a miserable year, but how much of that needs to fall on Tinkle? How much on the players? How much on the other coaches? So, I sit and wait. Let's see what the Beavs bring this year. If they look like last year, I'll be right with you calling for Tinkle's head. But if they are improved, then let the man do his job. I expect that they will be much improved. It all falls in the coach. If he blames the players, he's the one who recruited them. His head should have been removed long ago. He can't do anything without his son or Stephen Sr's sons.And yet he coached the team to the Elite 8, without Tres or without Stevie, 2/3 of the combination you say he needed to be successful. If the run to the Elite 8 had little to do with coaching, then so did 3-28. You can't have it both ways. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 1, 2022 16:20:31 GMT -8
It all falls in the coach. If he blames the players, he's the one who recruited them. His head should have been removed long ago. He can't do anything without his son or Stephen Sr's sons.And yet he coached the team to the Elite 8, without Tres or without Stevie, 2/3 of the combination you say he needed to be successful. If the run to the Elite 8 had little to do with coaching, then so did 3-28. You can't have it both ways. Nice point. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 2, 2022 18:42:17 GMT -8
Show you? Look at the results. Otherwise Wayne would be in the tourney year after year. Definitely helped that the first two teams OSU faced shot very poorly, and not all of that was from defensive pressure. Just most of it was from defensive pressure? Like 99%. But there is still that 1% that totally wasn't Tinkle. That 1%? Flying Spaghetti Monster. You crack me up, Fuzzy. It wasn't from defensive pressure...less than 50%. A lot of wide open looks were missed, can't give credit to the coaches on that one. I love it that you guys stick up for a piss poor coach and wonder why no one gives a crap about Beaver basketball. You get what you pay for. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 2, 2022 18:42:57 GMT -8
Maybe you're rooting for another crash and burn season, but be careful what you wish for. If you get it, we'll be back to square one. We're already at square one. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 2, 2022 18:44:25 GMT -8
If the run to the Elite 8 had little to do with coaching, then so did 3-28. You can't have it both ways. lol, you fell right into my trap and proved my point. Read your comment again...I'm not trying to have it both ways....you are. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 2, 2022 18:46:13 GMT -8
And yet he coached the team to the Elite 8, without Tres or without Stevie, 2/3 of the combination you say he needed to be successful. If the run to the Elite 8 had little to do with coaching, then so did 3-28. You can't have it both ways. Nice point. It went over your head as well. It had little to do with coaching for both. THE MAN CAN'T COACHFin. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 2, 2022 19:06:08 GMT -8
It went over your head as well. It had little to do with coaching for both. THE MAN CAN'T COACHFin. And you are qualified to say that how? How many Division I/DII/DIII/NAIA/high school games have you coached? |
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Post by irimi on Sept 2, 2022 19:37:13 GMT -8
Maybe you're rooting for another crash and burn season, but be careful what you wish for. If you get it, we'll be back to square one. We're already at square one. Square one = having a coach with Elite Eight experience? Ok. I’ll take it. |
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Post by irimi on Sept 2, 2022 19:49:00 GMT -8
It went over your head as well. It had little to do with coaching for both. THE MAN CAN'T COACHFin. So you can throw out both seasons if you like. We still earned a Tournament invite under Tinkle. We also had winning seasons. You can argue that he isn’t a great coach, but given the really bad coaches we’ve had since Miller retired, Tinkle has done a lot for setting the program right. |
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