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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 13, 2022 7:33:55 GMT -8
In the 24 seasons leading up to Tinkle’s arrival, OSU finished the regular season at .500 or better a total of THREE times. Tinkle has done it in six of eight seasons.
Mediocre beats flat out bad, and OSU has nearly a quarter century history of being a bad basketball school prior to his arrival.
For those who like to throw out his win percentage “statistic”, in terms of statistics both the mean and the median exist. Because of 2 very bad seasons his mean is going to suck, even if he goes 18 and 13 and makes postseason each of the next 5-6 years, because outliers affect mean averages. The bulk of his seasons have been “mediocre” at worst.
Yes, two of Tinkle’s seasons really really sucked, but overall it’s been nowhere near as bad as the previous quarter century or so of OSU basketball. He’s got to turn it around in order to stay, but just 2 bad seasons at a school with such a bad recent fairly long term history probably shouldn’t be the thing to get him fired.
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Post by alwaysorange on May 13, 2022 7:46:39 GMT -8
In the 24 seasons leading up to Tinkle’s arrival, OSU finished the regular season at .500 or better a total of THREE times. Tinkle has done it in six of eight seasons. Mediocre beats flat out bad, and OSU has nearly a quarter century history of being a bad basketball school prior to his arrival. For those who like to throw out his win percentage “statistic”, in terms of statistics both the mean and the median exist. Because of 2 very bad seasons his mean is going to suck, even if he goes 18 and 13 and makes postseason each of the next 5-6 years, because outliers affect mean averages. The bulk of his seasons have been “mediocre” at worst. Yes, two of Tinkle’s seasons really really sucked, but overall it’s been nowhere near as bad as the previous quarter century or so of OSU basketball. He’s got to turn it around in order to stay, but just 2 bad seasons at a school with such a bad recent fairly long term history probably shouldn’t be the thing to get him fired. Well that settles it give tinkle a lifetime contract. Obviously no reason to try and find somebody better. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 13, 2022 9:09:58 GMT -8
In the 24 seasons leading up to Tinkle’s arrival, OSU finished the regular season at .500 or better a total of THREE times. Tinkle has done it in six of eight seasons. Mediocre beats flat out bad, and OSU has nearly a quarter century history of being a bad basketball school prior to his arrival. For those who like to throw out his win percentage “statistic”, in terms of statistics both the mean and the median exist. Because of 2 very bad seasons his mean is going to suck, even if he goes 18 and 13 and makes postseason each of the next 5-6 years, because outliers affect mean averages. The bulk of his seasons have been “mediocre” at worst. Yes, two of Tinkle’s seasons really really sucked, but overall it’s been nowhere near as bad as the previous quarter century or so of OSU basketball. He’s got to turn it around in order to stay, but just 2 bad seasons at a school with such a bad recent fairly long term history probably shouldn’t be the thing to get him fired. Well that settles it give tinkle a lifetime contract. Obviously no reason to try and find somebody better. It's always the same old arguments to keep from trying to excel. I've pointed out several times the ONLY reason WT has winning seasons... the extraordinarily terrible NC SOS. Somewhere in the depths of hoops threads is a list that shows just how terrible. His NC record directly relates to the high SOS of that schedule. If I can guess it averages in the mid 200s, with a few seasons in the high 200s, low 300s. The "winning" records are there, just meaningless. I've never understood how anyone could continue to support a coach with such a terrible Pac12 record. Top it off with horrendous recruiting and luster player development... weird. Add, the parent post which basically supports exactly how the season played out looking from the outside in. Yeah... keep up the support. Lol |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 13, 2022 9:16:44 GMT -8
In the 24 seasons leading up to Tinkle’s arrival, OSU finished the regular season at .500 or better a total of THREE times. Tinkle has done it in six of eight seasons. Mediocre beats flat out bad, and OSU has nearly a quarter century history of being a bad basketball school prior to his arrival. For those who like to throw out his win percentage “statistic”, in terms of statistics both the mean and the median exist. Because of 2 very bad seasons his mean is going to suck, even if he goes 18 and 13 and makes postseason each of the next 5-6 years, because outliers affect mean averages. The bulk of his seasons have been “mediocre” at worst. Yes, two of Tinkle’s seasons really really sucked, but overall it’s been nowhere near as bad as the previous quarter century or so of OSU basketball. He’s got to turn it around in order to stay, but just 2 bad seasons at a school with such a bad recent fairly long term history probably shouldn’t be the thing to get him fired. Well that settles it give tinkle a lifetime contract. Obviously no reason to try and find somebody better. In my book nobody deserves a lifetime contract, but nobody deserves the quick firing after 1 bad season every few years either. You fire after consecutive bad seasons, impropriety, poor representation of the university, significant NCAA violations, major scandal (for instance playing players in the midst of ongoing rape investigation), ignoring academics, frequent major discipline issues, etc. Tinkle has represented the school well, on the whole his players have represented the school well and have done well academically. His overall success taken a season at a time has been pretty darned decent for a school that consistently has one of the bottom 2 budgets in the league for it's sport. If OSU had a top half of the league basketball budget (even a top half of the league recruiting budget) year in and year out, I'd expect top half of the league basketball performance year in and year out. At that point you fire for "mediocrity". Considering how little support OSU has given basketball the last 30 years or so, during a time period that money is becoming a major driver of success, I think Tinkle’s done fairly well. Until the school gives basketball top half of the league basketball support it's going to be tough for any coaching staff to produce great results year in and year out. |
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Post by beaver94 on May 13, 2022 9:51:01 GMT -8
Well that settles it give tinkle a lifetime contract. Obviously no reason to try and find somebody better. It's always the same old arguments to keep from trying to excel. I've pointed out several times the ONLY reason WT has winning seasons... the extraordinarily terrible NC SOS. Somewhere in the depths of hoops threads is a list that shows just how terrible. His NC record directly relates to the high SOS of that schedule. If I can guess it averages in the mid 200s, with a few seasons in the high 200s, low 300s. The "winning" records are there, just meaningless. I've never understood how anyone could continue to support a coach with such a terrible Pac12 record. Top it off with horrendous recruiting and luster player development... weird. Add, the parent post which basically supports exactly how the season played out looking from the outside in. Yeah... keep up the support. Lol Sounds like poor scheduling by the prior coaches. You gotta pump those stats if you want to keep your job. |
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Post by ag87 on May 13, 2022 11:04:12 GMT -8
Ok, someone needs to track down non-conference SOS for the Robinson, John, et al years. In the mid eighties I remember Missouri in Gill but also UCSB and Idaho State.
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Post by lebaneaver on May 13, 2022 13:00:26 GMT -8
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Post by bennyinbend on May 13, 2022 13:46:02 GMT -8
I'm so glad coach Tinks is tall so he can sharpie out faces on the elite 8 banner 🙄🙄🙄
Come on man... lets all take her post with a grain of salt
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 30, 2022 9:54:20 GMT -8
Even Wayne would take a 7-5 or 8-5 type season right now. If that's mediocre, then sTinkle's in a dumpster fire (and so might be Jonathan) Those records were the definition of mediocre during MR's years. Who is moving the "mediocre" goal posts? No one. Wayne's record (or lack thereof) speaks for itself. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 30, 2022 13:20:06 GMT -8
Those records were the definition of mediocre during MR's years. Who is moving the "mediocre" goal posts? No one. Wayne's record (or lack thereof) speaks for itself.  |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 30, 2022 19:09:01 GMT -8
No one. Wayne's record (or lack thereof) speaks for itself. It's the same year that Wayne sTinkle's coaching was exposed....AGAIN! |
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Post by irimi on Aug 31, 2022 9:39:41 GMT -8
It's the same year that Wayne sTinkle's coaching was exposed....AGAIN! I admit I've just been a casual fan of basketball ever since Miller left. But I don't think anything got truly exposed last year. I still am not clear on where the fault lies. I know it was a miserable year, but how much of that needs to fall on Tinkle? How much on the players? How much on the other coaches? So, I sit and wait. Let's see what the Beavs bring this year. If they look like last year, I'll be right with you calling for Tinkle's head. But if they are improved, then let the man do his job. I expect that they will be much improved. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Aug 31, 2022 9:48:59 GMT -8
Well, as the country western song goes, "there are 3 sides to every story: your side, my side, and the cold hard truth".
In the department of "cold hard truth", I am sure the following things are true:
- we have an emotionally charged situation (I have taken umbrage at what I viewed as the treatment my kids were receiving from their various sports coaches at times, and I can attest to the fact that emotions can cloud/color/influence parental perceptions).
- we have a coach that has taken us on a roller coaster ride in terms of winning and losing, leading to a wide range of opinions in the fan base.
Put those two things together, and mention of former players faces being edited out of banners by coaches might be among the more benign rumors/truths/lies depending on how this issue festers/percolates/is litigated in the courts of social media.
Go Beavers!
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Post by irimi on Aug 31, 2022 12:42:40 GMT -8
Well, as the country western song goes, "there are 3 sides to every story: your side, my side, and the cold hard truth". In the department of "cold hard truth", I am sure the following things are true: - we have an emotionally charged situation (I have taken umbrage at what I viewed as the treatment my kids were receiving from their various sports coaches at times, and I can attest to the fact that emotions can cloud/color/influence parental perceptions). - we have a coach that has taken us on a roller coaster ride in terms of winning and losing, leading to a wide range of opinions in the fan base. Put those two things together, and mention of former players faces being edited out of banners by coaches might be among the more benign rumors/truths/lies depending on how this issue festers/percolates/is litigated in the courts of social media. Go Beavers! Your two facts show exactly why we need to see what Tinkle can do this season to turn things around. I doubt that we will ever really know the truth about last season, and certainly, we'll never hear all sides of the matter. So we have to decide if the roller coaster ride is worth it or not. I think it's worth giving Tinkle this year to see what he can do with a fresh deck of cards. I've never been a fan of Tinkle, except that first year where he proved that he can do more with less. The Elite Eight year, I was all about the players. As far as social media is concerned, I am pretty sure that it's a minor factor in the hiring, retention, or firing of a coach. At least, it ought to be and we're doomed if those making the decisions are listening to either you or me about whether to keep Tinkle or not. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Aug 31, 2022 19:13:53 GMT -8
It's the same year that Wayne sTinkle's coaching was exposed....AGAIN! I admit I've just been a casual fan of basketball ever since Miller left. But I don't think anything got truly exposed last year. I still am not clear on where the fault lies. I know it was a miserable year, but how much of that needs to fall on Tinkle? How much on the players? How much on the other coaches? So, I sit and wait. Let's see what the Beavs bring this year. If they look like last year, I'll be right with you calling for Tinkle's head. But if they are improved, then let the man do his job. I expect that they will be much improved. It all falls in the coach. If he blames the players, he's the one who recruited them. His head should have been removed long ago. He can't do anything without his son or Stephen Sr's sons. |
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