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Post by helpyhelperton on Apr 7, 2022 15:51:29 GMT -8
Saw this on Facebook. It is part of a comment that was left by Taylor's dad: "I made the mistake of going on BP to see what they were saying about the ladies leaving prior to Taylor announcing……Made Me Sick at what these uninformed, Factless, Monday Morning Armchair Point Guard Idiots were saying about Destiny Sasha Gretta Kennedy and now Taylor. I’m not going to go into details I’ll let y’all go see for yourselves. I will share one point that a gentleman made though. He simple asked all The Idiots…..”Why are y’all bashing 18, 19 and 20 year olds for making what is obviously an agonizing decision that The NCAA Adults put in place ? They are simply using what was put in front of them. Coaches do it all of the time”. I don’t want to end this on that last point. I want to say one more time…We will miss all of y’all. We will continue to cheer for Oregon State in everything. Watch every game that we can. We Love y’all and of course: Go Beavs !!!!" I don't think he was looking for complimentary posts here at "Bernie's Place"! I thought there were a lot. Sometimes a player (or people living as grown-ups) has/have to go deep into the Valley of Criticism to see where he/she needs to grow - not that Bernie's is that place, although there are some experts here that pull no punches (I am not one). An athlete also needs thick skin, and the water should run off their backs like a Beaver. Reading Vicki's FB page is nice for getting lots of pats on the back, and is probably a good place for parents to hang out. Personally, I like reading it, but it's pretty whitewashed. What is a "Vicki's FB page?" Do you have a link?
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Post by escott58 on Apr 7, 2022 16:00:14 GMT -8
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 7, 2022 16:01:03 GMT -8
So when a player commits here or anywhere all you hear from the coaches, the players, the parents, etc..is how great this is or that is. When a player leaves all you read is almost photocopied three paragraph goodbye. Not to say anybody owes anybody else a goodbye but it does seem hollow.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 7, 2022 16:05:13 GMT -8
He's looking out for his daughter and believe me (and many of you, I'm sure) I get that, but his "story" is simply inaccurate. For every poster who ripped on Taylor's decision there were easily more than a dozen who wished her well. And in fact, the well-wishers also responded to the naysayers by objecting to their comments and defending Taylor. Plus, there weren't that many naysayers in the first place - being disappointed does not qualify you as a naysayer. The truly negative comments were few and far between.
He's a dad, and dads will defend their daughters at the drop of a hat, but as the old journalism saying goes, "He didn't let the facts get in the way of his story."
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 7, 2022 16:26:50 GMT -8
I get being very defensive as a father’s daughter, but his post comes across as very naive. It would be like dumping a girlfriend of 3 years and then asking her friends what she was saying about me, expecting she was reminiscing about all the great times we had. Then getting upset that she was focused on the pain of the breakup and venting about me instead of being thankful for all the dinners and outings I paid for.
What exactly did he expect to find?
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 7, 2022 17:02:28 GMT -8
I think if I were a player's father, I'd probably look at the board to see what is being said about my daughter and her friends as well. Don't think I could stop myself from that.
I think I'd have been doing it all along, not just when my daughter does something that is bound to have a negative impact with the fan base. Perhaps he has (and maybe still is). If so, he's seen a ton of support for his daughter these last 3 years. There's been some criticism of Taylor's game, but not of Taylor the person. And even most of the game criticism has been correct - she does get in foul trouble a lot, and she hasn't developed an outside shot.
Same is true for the others who have left. Nobody impugned their character; nobody said anything bad about them while they were here. When you leave without fulfilling (what I consider) your commitment, however, it is bound to trigger some negative reaction; absolutely impossible that it would not.
Taylor's father might be better served to focus on the 6,000 a night who cheered lustily at Gill for his daughter as recently as 2 years ago, and the number of games played on other courts where the announcers commented on all the orange in the stands. (I wish Taylor's father's daughter had focused on that as well.)
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 7, 2022 17:33:39 GMT -8
I think if I were a player's father, I'd probably look at the board to see what is being said about my daughter and her friends as well. Don't think I could stop myself from that. I think I'd have been doing it all along, not just when my daughter does something that is bound to have a negative impact with the fan base. Perhaps he has (and maybe still is). If so, he's seen a ton of support for his daughter these last 3 years. There's been some criticism of Taylor's game, but not of Taylor the person. And even most of the game criticism has been correct - she does get in foul trouble a lot, and she hasn't developed an outside shot. Same is true for the others who have left. Nobody impugned their character; nobody said anything bad about them while they were here. When you leave without fulfilling (what I consider) your commitment, however, it is bound to trigger some negative reaction; absolutely impossible that it would not. Taylor's father might be better served to focus on the 6,000 a night who cheered lustily at Gill for his daughter as recently as 2 years ago, and the number of games played on other courts where the announcers commented on all the orange in the stands. (I wish Taylor's father's daughter had focused on that as well.) 6,000 a night? Where, not here.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 7, 2022 17:34:03 GMT -8
I guess I'm trying to look at it from the "dad" perspective. I mean, if a grown person is calling my daughter names - or if I even think they are - I'm going to swing first and then ask questions later (I don't necessarily mean physically, but in some cases, maybe I do!). And I know I'm not alone in that thinking.
Fathers look out for their daughters, period. And that's even if their emotion-fueled reactions are (at best) semi-rational. I get it. I've been there.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 7, 2022 17:36:33 GMT -8
I guess I'm trying to look at it from the "dad" perspective. I mean, if a grown person is calling my daughter names - or if I even think they are - I'm going to swing first and then ask questions later (I don't necessarily mean physically, but in some cases, maybe I do!). And I know I'm not alone in that thinking. Fathers look out for their daughters, period. And that's even if their emotion-fueled reactions are (at best) semi-rational. I get it. I've been there. I look out for my daughter as well. But if skulking around a message board after your daughter announces she’s bailing on the program, what do you expect?
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 7, 2022 17:49:52 GMT -8
Vicki does a great job with her page, but I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to have families of coaches and players along with fans all talking hoops in the same spot. Great place to share and find information, but it can get iffy when it comes to things like transfers and games. Vicki does her best to keep it positive and closely moderated, bit things like Taylor’s father’s message and Savannah’s mother’s comments last season make it interesting.
Taylor’s father clearly doesn’t understand the difference between a message board and Vicki’s page.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 7, 2022 18:01:36 GMT -8
Vicki does a great job with her page, but I’m not sure that it’s a great idea to have families of coaches and players along with fans all talking hoops in the same spot. Great place to share and find information, but it can get iffy when it comes to things like transfers and games. Vicki does her best to keep it positive and closely moderated, bit things like Taylor’s father’s message and Savannah’s mother’s comments last season make it interesting. Taylor’s father clearly doesn’t understand the difference between a message board and Vicki’s page. Vicki molests collies, or so I’ve heard.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 7, 2022 18:03:45 GMT -8
I guess I'm trying to look at it from the "dad" perspective. I mean, if a grown person is calling my daughter names - or if I even think they are - I'm going to swing first and then ask questions later (I don't necessarily mean physically, but in some cases, maybe I do!). And I know I'm not alone in that thinking. Fathers look out for their daughters, period. And that's even if their emotion-fueled reactions are (at best) semi-rational. I get it. I've been there. I look out for my daughter as well. But if skulking around a message board after your daughter announces she’s bailing on the program, what do you expect?
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Post by finleybandbeav on Apr 7, 2022 18:08:11 GMT -8
I look out for my daughter as well. But if skulking around a message board after your daughter announces she’s bailing on the program, what do you expect? I hear you, but it's not always rational, but often more reactive. Plus, we don't really know the situation, so "bailing on the program" might be a little harsh.
Maybe the program bailed on her? I mean, who really knows?
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 7, 2022 18:12:21 GMT -8
I hear you, but it's not always rational, but often more reactive. Plus, we don't really know the situation, so "bailing on the program" might be a little harsh.
Maybe the program bailed on her? I mean, who really knows?
The point is don’t go on message boards when that happens and think all the posts are going to be sunshine and rainbows. What could be his motivation for even looking at the board, except to find another reason to be pissed off. She abandoned her team. Move on. You’re trying to pull the “victim” mentality that is all too prevalent in today’s society.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 7, 2022 18:53:18 GMT -8
I think if I were a player's father, I'd probably look at the board to see what is being said about my daughter and her friends as well. Don't think I could stop myself from that. I think I'd have been doing it all along, not just when my daughter does something that is bound to have a negative impact with the fan base. Perhaps he has (and maybe still is). If so, he's seen a ton of support for his daughter these last 3 years. There's been some criticism of Taylor's game, but not of Taylor the person. And even most of the game criticism has been correct - she does get in foul trouble a lot, and she hasn't developed an outside shot. Same is true for the others who have left. Nobody impugned their character; nobody said anything bad about them while they were here. When you leave without fulfilling (what I consider) your commitment, however, it is bound to trigger some negative reaction; absolutely impossible that it would not. Taylor's father might be better served to focus on the 6,000 a night who cheered lustily at Gill for his daughter as recently as 2 years ago, and the number of games played on other courts where the announcers commented on all the orange in the stands. (I wish Taylor's father's daughter had focused on that as well.) 6,000 a night? Where, not here. In 2019-20, OSU home attendance averaged 5,902 per game. For the 9 conference games, the average was 6,309.
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