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Post by blodgettbeaver on Apr 19, 2022 11:27:30 GMT -8
Non-athlete students are not getting their education paid for by a limited scholarship slot that is an investment into their future on the team.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 19, 2022 11:58:39 GMT -8
I'm not getting the interconference transfers to Colorado. JR Payne has been there a while and has proven to be a mediocre at best coach. What's the draw?
Actually mediocre is being generous. She's almost 30 games under .500 in Pac 12 play in 6 seasons. Last 2 years have been 8-8 and 9-7. If the good years are around .500, that's not saying much.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 19, 2022 12:04:05 GMT -8
Non-athlete students may transfer at will. Why shouldn't a student athlete. But, I don't disagree with you. I don't think your opinion goes far enough. The Transfer Portal and NIL will kill college athletic programs. Within a decade college athletics will disappear replaced by the structure of baseball in the 50s and 60s. For you young pups, professional baseball ... Then we had AAA, AA, A, B, C, D, and Rookie levels. Now we have AAA, AA, A, A-, Rookie. Non-athlete students are not getting their education paid for by a limited scholarship slot that is an investment into their future on the team.First, why does that matter? If they leave it opens the scholly up. Maybe to a better player or better fit. It's not like that scholly disappears. A scholarship doesn't bind a athlete to a school. Second, many non-athlete students are receiving scholarships of some type. Some are even school specific and they are giving them up when they leave. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 19, 2022 12:07:05 GMT -8
Non-student athletes are not getting their tuition paid for either. Prior to the portal.....student athletes sign a "letter of intent" with the intention of being there for four years. Somehow, we need to get back to that expectaion! The NLI in no way states a commitment to the school for 4 years. Students and athletes have transferred for decades. Is it far more prevalent now? YEP! But, a NLI nor scholarship is a indentured servitude agreement. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Apr 19, 2022 12:10:29 GMT -8
Remember, this is all as big of a mess as it is (NIL, ETC) because the NCAA let the O'Bannon case go to verdict, and didn't take the steps to mitigate the damage from the verdict that was pretty easy to seem coming a 1/2 decade ago or more.
As for the portal, I think it needs to be more lenient than it was in the past, but not the free transfer we have now. I think the best of both worlds here is to allow a transfer without sitting out in cases of a head coaching change OR for grad transfers. Other transfers would be subject to the old rules (IE sitting out a year unless hardship waiver). I think this still give kids freedom of choice/movement, protects them in case of coaching changes, but removes the "Free Agency" thing we have happening here.
The other complication we have currently, is the COVID year. That extra year is resulting in a LOT more kids with time to play. It will be interesting to see what this looks like in a couple of years once the COVID players have cycled through.
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 19, 2022 12:32:20 GMT -8
Yes. Hearing that is confirmed. Expect the standard social media communications within the next day or two. Good person to add. Will help a lot on the defensive end and won’t require many touches offensively. Can get out on the break and finish. Nice add by Rueck. First, if the Beavs do add Bendu, I think it's a nice pickup. When the season ended, and Greta left, I felt the Beavs needed a Homerun in the portal if they were going to make it back to the NCAA tourney next season. When Kennedy, Taylor, and Taya left, that turned the need into a Grand Slam. As much as I am a fan of Coach Rueck and staff, I don't have a lot of faith in them getting the Grand Slam. I'm hoping I'm wrong. Adding Bendu is a good start. I'd call it a single on the way to making it back to the NCAA tournament next season. They still need to add another 4-5 type player, a point/combo guard, and another perimeter player or two. Of those players, someone needs to be able to shoot the 3, and someone needs to be a consistent scoring threat. Maybe the incoming freshman wings will be ready to contribute more than we expect, but that is asking a lot, and would mean you are counting on a lot of freshman to get the program back where you want it. Utah was able to depend on two freshman from Minnesota last year seemed pretty impressive It’s very possible the right freshman come in and put up numbers. Curry from Caifornia smoked the league a year ago. She wasn’t even considered top 100. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 19, 2022 12:33:32 GMT -8
Remember, this is all as big of a mess as it is (NIL, ETC) because the NCAA let the O'Bannon case go to verdict, and didn't take the steps to mitigate the damage from the verdict that was pretty easy to seem coming a 1/2 decade ago or more. As for the portal, I think it needs to be more lenient than it was in the past, but not the free transfer we have now. I think the best of both worlds here is to allow a transfer without sitting out in cases of a head coaching change OR for grad transfers. Other transfers would be subject to the old rules (IE sitting out a year unless hardship waiver). I think this still give kids freedom of choice/movement, protects them in case of coaching changes, but removes the "Free Agency" thing we have happening here. The other complication we have currently, is the COVID year. That extra year is resulting in a LOT more kids with time to play. It will be interesting to see what this looks like in a couple of years once the COVID players have cycled through. The portal only allows ONE freebie. If you go the other route (more lenient whatever that may mean) then the NCAA would have to "rule" on such things as HC changes, hard ship on arse hole coaches, etc as it could mean a player can move each time their coach leaves. Hence, signs a NLI, sign early, coach subsequently fired/leaves/retires, allowed to change. The in a Soph or Jr year it happens again, etc. Or medical hardships approved, denied without making sense sometimes. The portal helps eliminate a ton of crazy NCAA rulings where kids were granted immediate eligibility others not and no one knew the reasoning. Kids can transfer once with immediate eligibility, then again as a grad transfer. Whether it is deemed good or bad it saved the NCAA a TON of work and allows athletes the same freedoms as "normal" students. Coupling it with Covid and the wild west of the NIL is making it more problematic and allows for all sorts of conspiracy theories. Plus an entire new "legit" 3rd party biz of running NIL sites for schools. * Funny thing, I did not hear OSU fan complain of the portal much last offseason when when gained some key transfers. Also portal numbers are often misinterpreted. Less than 25% are from P5 schools. The latest numbers I saw: Transfers OUT1117 total D1 in portal 227 are P5 890 non P5 312 Grad trans 140 previously trans D1 to D1 316 number of D1 schools with a transfer Transfers IN
245 new school committed > 62 to P5 > 139 to non P5 > 44 to non D1 201 D1 to D1 27 D1 to DII 3 D1 to DIII 11 D1 to NAIA 3 D1 to JUCO |
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Post by rmancarl on Apr 19, 2022 12:37:33 GMT -8
First, if the Beavs do add Bendu, I think it's a nice pickup. When the season ended, and Greta left, I felt the Beavs needed a Homerun in the portal if they were going to make it back to the NCAA tourney next season. When Kennedy, Taylor, and Taya left, that turned the need into a Grand Slam. As much as I am a fan of Coach Rueck and staff, I don't have a lot of faith in them getting the Grand Slam. I'm hoping I'm wrong. Adding Bendu is a good start. I'd call it a single on the way to making it back to the NCAA tournament next season. They still need to add another 4-5 type player, a point/combo guard, and another perimeter player or two. Of those players, someone needs to be able to shoot the 3, and someone needs to be a consistent scoring threat. Maybe the incoming freshman wings will be ready to contribute more than we expect, but that is asking a lot, and would mean you are counting on a lot of freshman to get the program back where you want it. Utah was able to depend on two freshman from Minnesota last year seemed pretty impressive It’s very possible the right freshman come in and put up numbers. Curry from Call in Certainly possible. The Beavs have had freshman play big roles almost every year. When they've been successful, it's usually been one freshman with a cast around her that is experienced. I fully expect we will see a lot of minutes from several freshmen this upcoming season. It wouldn't be my plan A to expect them to lead the team to the NCAA's. Maybe it is SR's plan. I'm fairly confident though that he is still searching for more experience. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Apr 19, 2022 12:53:27 GMT -8
Remember, this is all as big of a mess as it is (NIL, ETC) because the NCAA let the O'Bannon case go to verdict, and didn't take the steps to mitigate the damage from the verdict that was pretty easy to seem coming a 1/2 decade ago or more. As for the portal, I think it needs to be more lenient than it was in the past, but not the free transfer we have now. I think the best of both worlds here is to allow a transfer without sitting out in cases of a head coaching change OR for grad transfers. Other transfers would be subject to the old rules (IE sitting out a year unless hardship waiver). I think this still give kids freedom of choice/movement, protects them in case of coaching changes, but removes the "Free Agency" thing we have happening here. The other complication we have currently, is the COVID year. That extra year is resulting in a LOT more kids with time to play. It will be interesting to see what this looks like in a couple of years once the COVID players have cycled through. The portal only allows ONE freebie. If you go the other route (more lenient whatever that may mean) then the NCAA would have to "rule" on such things as HC changes, hard ship on arse hole coaches, etc as it could mean a player can move each time their coach leaves. Hence, signs a NLI, sign early, coach subsequently fired/leaves/retires, allowed to change. The in a Soph or Jr year it happens again, etc. Or medical hardships approved, denied without making sense sometimes. The portal helps eliminate a ton of crazy NCAA rulings where kids were granted immediate eligibility others not and no one knew the reasoning. Kids can transfer once with immediate eligibility, then again as a grad transfer. Whether it is deemed good or bad it saved the NCAA a TON of work and allows athletes the same freedoms as "normal" students. Coupling it with Covid and the wild west of the NIL is making it more problematic and allows for all sorts of conspiracy theories. Plus an entire new "legit" 3rd party biz of running NIL sites for schools. Good point on the simplification of the hardship process. Certainly no perfect solutions for everything here. Current situation might be the best we have. |
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Post by norm on Apr 19, 2022 13:03:24 GMT -8
I'm not getting the interconference transfers to Colorado. JR Payne has been there a while and has proven to be a mediocre at best coach. What's the draw?
Actually mediocre is being generous. She's almost 30 games under .500 in Pac 12 play in 6 seasons. Last 2 years have been 8-8 and 9-7. If the good years are around .500, that's not saying much.
The draw is that she might actually play there. Most kids would rather play at a mediocre Pac-12 school, then sit on the bench for a good Pac-12 team. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 19, 2022 13:30:47 GMT -8
I'm not getting the interconference transfers to Colorado. JR Payne has been there a while and has proven to be a mediocre at best coach. What's the draw?
Actually mediocre is being generous. She's almost 30 games under .500 in Pac 12 play in 6 seasons. Last 2 years have been 8-8 and 9-7. If the good years are around .500, that's not saying much.
The draw is that she might actually play there. Most kids would rather play at a mediocre Pac-12 school, then sit on the bench for a good Pac-12 team. The year before they got 2 from UW because of a coaching change. They actually got less playing time at CU than they got before with the Huskies.
Vonleh will still be behind Miller and probably Whittaker at CU. They frequently only played 1 post at a time last year, Hollinshed and Miller practically platooned.
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Post by lotrader on Apr 19, 2022 14:47:11 GMT -8
Vonleh gets a fresh start. She comes into Colorado with the opportunity to demonstrate why she should get a large slice of the 200 total game minutes available.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 19, 2022 15:17:17 GMT -8
Somebody above mentioned saving the NCAA a ton of work. This is the same organization that that took SEVEN years to rule on the North Carolina academic fiasco from 2012 (deciding that academic matters shouldn't come under its purview -  ??), and, FIVE years after starting its investigation, has not ruled on charges against the Kansas men's program. Oh - those 2 programs played for this year's men's national championship. It would seem to me that the NCAA doesn't need any measures that would save itself from a ton of work - they don't do much of it to begin with. |
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Post by beaverfever148 on Apr 19, 2022 15:23:56 GMT -8
Arizona now appears to be going after Dalayah Daniels.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 19, 2022 15:36:43 GMT -8
Remember, this is all as big of a mess as it is (NIL, ETC) because the NCAA let the O'Bannon case go to verdict, and didn't take the steps to mitigate the damage from the verdict that was pretty easy to seem coming a 1/2 decade ago or more. As for the portal, I think it needs to be more lenient than it was in the past, but not the free transfer we have now. I think the best of both worlds here is to allow a transfer without sitting out in cases of a head coaching change OR for grad transfers. Other transfers would be subject to the old rules (IE sitting out a year unless hardship waiver). I think this still give kids freedom of choice/movement, protects them in case of coaching changes, but removes the "Free Agency" thing we have happening here. The other complication we have currently, is the COVID year. That extra year is resulting in a LOT more kids with time to play. It will be interesting to see what this looks like in a couple of years once the COVID players have cycled through. The portal only allows ONE freebie. If you go the other route (more lenient whatever that may mean) then the NCAA would have to "rule" on such things as HC changes, hard ship on arse hole coaches, etc as it could mean a player can move each time their coach leaves. Hence, signs a NLI, sign early, coach subsequently fired/leaves/retires, allowed to change. The in a Soph or Jr year it happens again, etc. Or medical hardships approved, denied without making sense sometimes. The portal helps eliminate a ton of crazy NCAA rulings where kids were granted immediate eligibility others not and no one knew the reasoning. Kids can transfer once with immediate eligibility, then again as a grad transfer. Whether it is deemed good or bad it saved the NCAA a TON of work and allows athletes the same freedoms as "normal" students. Coupling it with Covid and the wild west of the NIL is making it more problematic and allows for all sorts of conspiracy theories. Plus an entire new "legit" 3rd party biz of running NIL sites for schools. * Funny thing, I did not hear OSU fan complain of the portal much last offseason when when gained some key transfers. Also portal numbers are often misinterpreted. Less than 25% are from P5 schools. The latest numbers I saw: Transfers OUT1117 total D1 in portal 227 are P5 890 non P5 312 Grad trans 140 previously trans D1 to D1 316 number of D1 schools with a transfer Transfers IN
245 new school committed > 62 to P5 > 139 to non P5 > 44 to non D1 201 D1 to D1 27 D1 to DII 3 D1 to DIII 11 D1 to NAIA 3 D1 to JUCO I was complaining last year - but it was because we did NOT get key transfers from the portal; on paper, WT did much better with it last year than SR did. |
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??), and, FIVE years after starting its investigation, has not ruled on charges against the Kansas men's program. Oh - those 2 programs played for this year's men's national championship.