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Post by jones on Mar 13, 2022 16:59:48 GMT -8
Good point, but I believe both of those great players were recruited as mainly shooting guards and became excellent point guards (often took 2 years).
Also who knows what might have been in regards to more wins if they had been able to be the shooting guards and play with an excellent point guard.
Also, there have been years (such as this past one) where the cupboard was basically bare of point guard talent.
Thanks for your feedback!
Aleah was FRESHMAN back-up PG behind Mikayla the year they beat both Tennessee (their coach resigned) and Baylor in the NCAA tournament. She did better than any of our current SENIOR "Point Guards" and she could actually shoot from anywhere on the court with accuracy. I must admit that Codding stepped up in both of the Pac-12 Tourney games this year. Greta and AJ are both good ball handlers in the 1/2 court. There have been brief moments when it is clear to me they can handle the ball. TVO is not a point guard at this level, IMHO. Too slow to recognize trouble, prone to dribbling into traps
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 13, 2022 19:46:12 GMT -8
TVO said she pretty much just played PG through high school also. The only problem with TVO as I see it is that other teams know that she was half of the Beaver offense so they constantly double teamed her to force her to give the ball to someone else. What the Beav's needs is another offensive threat so that TVO can be the PG. To allow other teams dictate that TVO not be the PG seems kinda...defeatist? Absolutely beavergain! Well said. All the current complaints about TVO would change (there would be other complaints because we like to complain) if there were more scoring threats and decent ball handlers on the current team. In 20-21, the Beavs struggled and people complained about Aleah until Talia came along to help handle the ball and be a threat. It helped open up the screen game because the Aleah/Taylor tandem was bolstered by extra threats on the team.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 13, 2022 19:59:35 GMT -8
Good point, but I believe both of those great players were recruited as mainly shooting guards and became excellent point guards (often took 2 years).
Also who knows what might have been in regards to more wins if they had been able to be the shooting guards and play with an excellent point guard.
Also, there have been years (such as this past one) where the cupboard was basically bare of point guard talent.
Thanks for your feedback!
Aleah was FRESHMAN back-up PG behind Mikayla the year they beat both Tennessee (their coach resigned) and Baylor in the NCAA tournament. She did better than any of our current SENIOR "Point Guards" and she could actually shoot from anywhere on the court with accuracy. I must admit that Codding stepped up in both of the Pac-12 Tourney games this year. Greta and AJ are both good ball handlers in the 1/2 court. There have been brief moments when it is clear to me they can handle the ball. TVO is not a point guard at this level, IMHO. Too slow to recognize trouble, prone to dribbling into traps I find amusement in your post regarding recognizing trouble and prone to dribbling, because that was exactly the complaints this board had regarding Mik and Aleah, two of the Beavs recent point guards, who actually did a pretty good job as PG's, but maybe you didn't have that same opinion as others.. It certainly was the opinion of numerous on this board. I don't suppose you can give me a game, or time in a game when it was clear to you that AJ was a good ball handler. I'd like to go back and review it, because I would love to believe it. I'm not saying she is bad, I just haven't seen much ball handling from her yet. Her skills are fine for a SF, and perhaps as a 2G, but I haven't seen skills that would reach PG level yet.
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Post by greybeav on Mar 13, 2022 20:07:51 GMT -8
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 13, 2022 21:12:48 GMT -8
It appears that the Cavinder twins out of Fresno State may be entering the transfer portal. They've built massive social media followings and inked big time NIL deals, and they're also pretty good at basketball. Haley in particular would be a really good get -- 19.8 PPG, 9.4 RPG, 166/84 A:TO, 44.6 FG%, 37.3 FG%, 97.3 FT%. They're from Arizona and played on the Adidas circuit, so they know Talia, Taylor, and Kennedy. There's going to be a lot of players pop up in the next few weeks, and it will be interesting to see where these two end up. They are good players and I'm amazed the Haley, at 5'6" could average over 9 rebounds a game. It looks like they both could play two more years of college ball. If they do transfer, I hope it's not the Pac12, unless it were the Beavs.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 9:12:07 GMT -8
I'm really curious to see how the Beavs do in the transfer portal this year. SR has built much of his recruiting prowess on building relationships over a long period of time with High School players. Maybe I am wrong on my reading of his recruiting, but he appears to focus on a few players that he really wants, and goes after them hard rather than a shotgun approach that some coaches take in offering many players. I'm wondering how this focus translates to the transfer portal, where he does not have that long time to build a relationship, and must decide on who he wants quickly, and go after them. It's like a condensed version of recruiting as the timeframe is much shorter to both identify who you want and convince them to come to your program. It works the same for every program and coach, but I wonder if other coaches have a minor advantage because they used the shotgun approach with players in High School while SR focused on a smaller group. I'm not sure it matters, and I do believe the Beavs will land a player or two that will help next season.....but there is going to be a LOT of player movement, and part of every team's focus will be keeping the players they want from transferring out.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 14, 2022 10:12:33 GMT -8
Another USC player in the portal:
Injuries derailed Pili's career. Never fully lived up to the promise she showed as a frosh. Her finalists in HS were Pepperdine, TCU, ASU, and Gonzaga.
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Post by greybeav on Mar 14, 2022 10:17:10 GMT -8
Another USC player in the portal: I don't get it, when there is a "toxic" coach, sure, when a beloved coach leaves, sure, but in this case ? If she was leaving basketball because of her injuries, frustration , I'd get it. Jenkins, what could be her reasoning...we will probably never know, maybe she will enlighten us via social media.
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 10:18:04 GMT -8
The only real area of need that the Beavers have room for is at point guard. I fully expect Rueck to try to land one. If TVO was the plan at point moving forward, Rueck would not have gone to Adams and Codding at the spot. TVO will get double teamed no matter what position she plays until others step up on offense, but that didn't have a whole lot to do with whether or not she was playing the point. Most of the doubles are in the half court. If TVO can't break a double team in the open court, then all the more reason to look for a quicker player with better ball handling skills. Not sure why this trips up some of the people on the board...it's just not TVO's best spot on the floor, not some decree that she is not a good player or whatever. Also, the denial by some of the importance of speed is just wrong. Look at Stanford and Arizona last season. Stanford had a great PG (along with great team speed)..Arizona had an extremely quick PG who could score at a high level. They wound up playing for the NCAA title. Can Rueck land one of those players at some point? Sure. But he'll most likely have to try to hit through the portal for the time being. I can go on about how I see Rueck's tendencies as a recruiter, but I believe he would like a PG with good speed/quickness along with some scoring ability. BTW, many of the top guards play point in high school because the teams need the offense to go through them. That does not necessarily mean they translate to the point at the next level.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 14, 2022 10:26:23 GMT -8
The only real area of need that the Beavers have room for is at point guard. I fully expect Rueck to try to land one. If TVO was the plan at point moving forward, Rueck would not have gone to Adams and Codding at the spot. TVO will get double teamed no matter what position she plays until others step up on offense, but that didn't have a whole lot to do with whether or not she was playing the point. Most of the doubles are in the half court. If TVO can't break a double team in the open court, then all the more reason to look for a quicker player with better ball handling skills. Not sure why this trips up some of the people on the board...it's just not TVO's best spot on the floor, not some decree that she is not a good player or whatever. Also, the denial by some of the importance of speed is just wrong. Look at Stanford and Arizona last season. Stanford had a great PG (along with great team speed)..Arizona had an extremely quick PG who could score at a high level. They wound up playing for the NCAA title. Can Rueck land one of those players at some point? Sure. But he'll most likely have to try to hit through the portal for the time being. I can go on about how I see Rueck's tendencies as a recruiter, but I believe he would like a PG with good speed/quickness along with some scoring ability. BTW, many of the top guards play point in high school because the teams need the offense to go through them. That does not necessarily mean they translate to the point at the next level. That quick point guard who started for Stanford had the Beavers as one of her 3 finalists. It's not like Rueck isn't trying to sign an elite point guard. He is...the competition level for those kids is very high.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 14, 2022 10:34:06 GMT -8
Another USC player in the portal: I don't get it, when there is a "toxic" coach, sure, when a beloved coach leaves, sure, but in this case ? If she was leaving basketball because of her injuries, frustration , I'd get it. Jenkins, what could be her reasoning...we will probably never know, maybe she will enlighten us via social media. The year after a coaching change is generally when the transfer portal blows open for a team. Not unusual for a player to stick around and give the new coach a chance -- but if things aren't working out, its reflected in the next cycle. Similar thing happened for Mississippi State last season.
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 11:28:30 GMT -8
The only real area of need that the Beavers have room for is at point guard. I fully expect Rueck to try to land one. If TVO was the plan at point moving forward, Rueck would not have gone to Adams and Codding at the spot. TVO will get double teamed no matter what position she plays until others step up on offense, but that didn't have a whole lot to do with whether or not she was playing the point. Most of the doubles are in the half court. If TVO can't break a double team in the open court, then all the more reason to look for a quicker player with better ball handling skills. Not sure why this trips up some of the people on the board...it's just not TVO's best spot on the floor, not some decree that she is not a good player or whatever. Also, the denial by some of the importance of speed is just wrong. Look at Stanford and Arizona last season. Stanford had a great PG (along with great team speed)..Arizona had an extremely quick PG who could score at a high level. They wound up playing for the NCAA title. Can Rueck land one of those players at some point? Sure. But he'll most likely have to try to hit through the portal for the time being. I can go on about how I see Rueck's tendencies as a recruiter, but I believe he would like a PG with good speed/quickness along with some scoring ability. BTW, many of the top guards play point in high school because the teams need the offense to go through them. That does not necessarily mean they translate to the point at the next level. That quick point guard who started for Stanford had the Beavers as one of her 3 finalists. It's not like Rueck isn't trying to sign an elite point guard. He is...the competition level for those kids is very high. For sure...that's why I think he'll have to get what he can through the portal...at least for the near future
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Post by 411500 on Mar 14, 2022 11:30:49 GMT -8
I haven't followed USC very closely the past few years, so I don't have a clue how Gottlieb is running the show down there...But the early signs are not very encouraging.
With regards to Pili leaving, there could be a dozen personal reasons that no one except those in her inner circle know about.... From a basketball point of view, Gottlieb seems impressed with both of her promising frosh (Rayah Marshall & Clarice Akunwafo)...She may be planning her future with those 2 playing major roles - and Pili simply did the math and didn't like how it added up.
Pure conjecture on my part....
I know the very small USC fan base expected a lot more from the WBB team this year than they delivered....Gottlieb elevated expectations. She had a lot of returning talent even after losing the Wonder Woman who transferred to Oregon (I've lost her name at the moment). Whatever - it sure makes the portal interesting.... GO BEAVS!!
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 11:30:53 GMT -8
Sorry...using an ancient laptop and it's not being cooperative...my response is: For sure...that's why I think he'll have to get what he can through the portal...at least for the near future
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Post by grad1973 on Mar 14, 2022 11:42:50 GMT -8
That’s sad about Pili. She was a great player her freshman year. She could do anything. Well we recruit girls who are post ACL. She would be a good wing player and can post up.
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