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Post by grad1973 on Mar 14, 2022 11:52:49 GMT -8
I don't get it, when there is a "toxic" coach, sure, when a beloved coach leaves, sure, but in this case ? If she was leaving basketball because of her injuries, frustration , I'd get it. Jenkins, what could be her reasoning...we will probably never know, maybe she will enlighten us via social media. The year after a coaching change is generally when the transfer portal blows open for a team. Not unusual for a player to stick around and give the new coach a chance -- but if things aren't working out, its reflected in the next cycle. Similar thing happened for Mississippi State last season. May have to do with NIL, you know now players can be approached and poached . It’s a new recruiting world. Ducks have two or three points coming in and out almost routinely. Ducks transformed there season this year by bringing rogers in from the portal. Maybe girls decide the portal after a coach secretly or not says to them come on board will make the big dance with you.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 12:38:01 GMT -8
The only real area of need that the Beavers have room for is at point guard. I fully expect Rueck to try to land one. If TVO was the plan at point moving forward, Rueck would not have gone to Adams and Codding at the spot. TVO will get double teamed no matter what position she plays until others step up on offense, but that didn't have a whole lot to do with whether or not she was playing the point. Most of the doubles are in the half court. If TVO can't break a double team in the open court, then all the more reason to look for a quicker player with better ball handling skills. Not sure why this trips up some of the people on the board...it's just not TVO's best spot on the floor, not some decree that she is not a good player or whatever. Also, the denial by some of the importance of speed is just wrong. Look at Stanford and Arizona last season. Stanford had a great PG (along with great team speed)..Arizona had an extremely quick PG who could score at a high level. They wound up playing for the NCAA title. Can Rueck land one of those players at some point? Sure. But he'll most likely have to try to hit through the portal for the time being. I can go on about how I see Rueck's tendencies as a recruiter, but I believe he would like a PG with good speed/quickness along with some scoring ability. BTW, many of the top guards play point in high school because the teams need the offense to go through them. That does not necessarily mean they translate to the point at the next level. It all comes down to what you consider 'speed'. I don't consider Mik as having superior speed, but the Beavs made the final eight with her as point guard and her backup didn't have speed either. I don't even consider Syd to have superior speed, and the Beavs made the final four with her. I don't really consider Magic Johnson as having superior speed, but I'd have him and his championships on my team. You can say look at Stanford and Arizona last season, but we both know there are plenty of examples of great teams without a PG with superior speed. Saying you need speed is like saying you need height to play basketball. Well yeah, it's an advantage, but speed or height mean nothing if you can't take advantage of either. If I'm Fresno State, I want to hold on to Haley Cavinder even though she is only 5'6". She's their leading rebounder by a long shot (9.4rpg), even at that height. Believe whatever you want, and having more speed in the Beaver lineup would be great, but give me someone who can handle the ball, put the ball in the basket, throw the dime, and play defense and I could care less even if their actual 'speed' was below average. Talia is actually a good example of this. She won numerous one on one competitions against many of the best talent in the country. Was it her lightening speed? Was it because she always competed against someone slower, or shorter? The Beavs can use speed, but speed alone is far from the answer. They need a player or two, either by transfer or by existing players stepping up, who can help handle the ball, play defense, and be a scoring threat. The Beavs need more scoring threat than anything else right now. I don't care if you classify those players as point guards, combo guards, wings, speedy, strong, or tall. Give me a player like Syd, Jamie, Mik, (yeah, I don't ask for much) and I'll be happy.
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 13:51:32 GMT -8
Game has changed, man...I don't disagree that if you find a phenomenal player at guard like Syd you can succeed...but even Syd got her pocket picked in the open court more than a few times. Let me know all those teams with point guards with average speed that are heading into the NCAA Tournament with decent seeds..,Clark? Don't think so. She would run rings around a player with average speed. Van Lith? Fast. I've not seen the Cavinders play, but I'm quite sure they are anything but slow. I do agree that speed alone is not the answer. that a player needs to bring several skills to the table. But the Beavers have already signed a SG and a SG/SF type and two highly regarded bigs, one of which reportedly can run the floor really well along with having a good skill set. They need a point guard. Or two. Again, when it comes to TVO, to me she does not pass the eye test as far as having the quickness to run the point at a high level. And Rueck's decision to have other players take the ball down the court speaks to that. She fits better at wing/SG. Look, I just want Rueck to put together a team that will get back to Sweet 16 or better level. Adding as much speed as possible is part of that process, particularly at the point.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 14, 2022 14:01:56 GMT -8
If only the Beavers could get a speedy wing player like Taylor Kalmer or Jasmine Simmons. Oops.
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Post by skyrider on Mar 14, 2022 14:45:45 GMT -8
If only the Beavers could get a speedy wing player like Taylor Kalmer or Jasmine Simmons. Oops. For the life of me, I could not understand why Taylor Kalmer did not get a lot more playing time. She was able to consistently get by her defender with the dribble into the paint area and create great shooting looks for her team mates when the defense was forced to collapse on her.
She was not a fantastic 3 point shooter, but she was adequate and I believe had she been given the opportunity to play more minutes who knows how good she might have been!
Seems like Scott does not like shorter players very much (something psychological going on there perhaps!)
Go Beavs!
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Post by nwhoopfan on Mar 14, 2022 15:11:28 GMT -8
I think Kalmer was just stuck behind a logjam of other players at her position. She had some good minutes when she could get on the floor. I kept waiting for a breakthrough for Simmons, and it just never happened.
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Post by lotrader on Mar 14, 2022 17:33:31 GMT -8
Speed is not the first priority. It is "handles". We need perimeter players that have great dribbling skills, crafty, can break down their defender, and avoid/reject double teams and traps. It would be best if any new additions could also score/assist and convert at the rim. Speed would be nice to have, but not the priority for new perimeter players at OSU.
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 18:00:34 GMT -8
Players with great handles but below average speed struggle to break down defenders. All perimeter players have to at least have decent speed to play at this level. It's a big plus to have a strong skill set along with better than average speed. I doubt that any coach in the U.S. would agree that speed and quickness is not something they want in backcourt players.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 18:22:20 GMT -8
If only the Beavers could get a speedy wing player like Taylor Kalmer or Jasmine Simmons. Oops. Or, how about a really speedy point guard like Tea Adams.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 19:02:10 GMT -8
Speed is not the first priority. It is "handles". We need perimeter players that have great dribbling skills, crafty, can break down their defender, and avoid/reject double teams and traps. It would be best if any new additions could also score/assist and convert at the rim. Speed would be nice to have, but not the priority for new perimeter players at OSU. This post is right on. Speed doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Height doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Strength doesn't matter if you find a way to get the job done. All those things are helpful in the game of basketball but if you find a way to get the job done, you can be successful. That's why a 5'6" player can sometimes average over 9 rebounds per game, or a 6'6" player can have ball handling and point guard passing skills. The year Mik played point, she had a post who could put the ball in the basket, a guard running mate, Katie Mac, who could handle the ball, and another wing, Kat, who could score in flurries. None of them were particularly fast, but together they had the right ingredients to win the Pac12 and make it to the final eight. I was sad to learn today that the "game has changed" and apparently passed those player by. Let's just get a couple players who can play the game and pose a scoring threat and we'll be happy fans.
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Post by grayman on Mar 14, 2022 19:33:53 GMT -8
He doesn't need just a couple of random players and chances are he won't find anomalies like a 6-6 player with real point guard skills or a 5-6 player that gets nine rebounds a game. I know you're simply using extreme examples to make a point, but the fact remains that the team needs a point guard, not just any player that is willing to come to OSU. The fact that Rueck added Tea Adams for this season shows me he's more than willing to bring in a quick player and give her a chance at making an impact. Adams didn't quite get up to speed offensively with the team in the one season, but I think it shows that Rueck isn't stuck on some idea that they always have to adapt a two guard type to the point or that he has some problem with adding speed and quickness to the team. IMO, a "true" PG is the best option...IF Rueck can find another Syd, great. But I believe Syd and those like her are actually the anomalies at the position in today's game.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 14, 2022 19:39:18 GMT -8
Speed is not the first priority. It is "handles". We need perimeter players that have great dribbling skills, crafty, can break down their defender, and avoid/reject double teams and traps. It would be best if any new additions could also score/assist and convert at the rim. Speed would be nice to have, but not the priority for new perimeter players at OSU. This post is right on. Speed doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Height doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Strength doesn't matter if you find a way to get the job done. All those things are helpful in the game of basketball but if you find a way to get the job done, you can be successful. That's why a 5'6" player can sometimes average over 9 rebounds per game, or a 6'6" player can have ball handling and point guard passing skills. The year Mik played point, she had a post who could put the ball in the basket, a guard running mate, Katie Mac, who could handle the ball, and another wing, Kat, who could score in flurries. None of them were particularly fast, but together they had the right ingredients to win the Pac12 and make it to the final eight. I was sad to learn today that the "game has changed" and apparently passed those player by. Let's just get a couple players who can play the game and pose a scoring threat and we'll be happy fans. There are lots of ways to say and/or interpret things like "handle", "speed", "quickness". I'd like to think OSU needs more athleticism on the court, coupled with high basketball IQ. Knowing how to move, knowing how others will, seeing the floor, spatial awareness, and being able to maneuver one's body... doesn't take all out speed, quickness, strength, or height. IMHO the roster has some pieces, but overall they just don't quite fit/mesh. In addition there's just not enough athleticism, high hoop IQ. So much of the stagnant offense and turnovers seem to be from the lack of such attributes.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 19:48:57 GMT -8
Yep, SR will try to get the best player he can. It's not going to be easy. He'll want to stick with his 'best fit' philosophy and he'll definitely want to find a PG because even if Talia was considered his PG, there is no backup. SR has also been very successful without a true PG, and if there is a great combo guard who is interested in the Beavs, I expect SR will jump on that opportunity. Despite the HS players coming in, I'd like to see a couple transfers coming in. Seeing what has happened the last couple years, he may very well lose some players in the portal as well. It's going to be an interesting summer and you can tell from this page that a lot of people will be disappointed if the Beavs don't bring in a star quality guard or two. The last couple summers have been mostly bad news when it comes to the portal. Hopefully this one will be mostly good news.
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2022 19:54:52 GMT -8
This post is right on. Speed doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Height doesn't matter if you can get the job done. Strength doesn't matter if you find a way to get the job done. All those things are helpful in the game of basketball but if you find a way to get the job done, you can be successful. That's why a 5'6" player can sometimes average over 9 rebounds per game, or a 6'6" player can have ball handling and point guard passing skills. The year Mik played point, she had a post who could put the ball in the basket, a guard running mate, Katie Mac, who could handle the ball, and another wing, Kat, who could score in flurries. None of them were particularly fast, but together they had the right ingredients to win the Pac12 and make it to the final eight. I was sad to learn today that the "game has changed" and apparently passed those player by. Let's just get a couple players who can play the game and pose a scoring threat and we'll be happy fans. There are lots of ways to say and/or interpret things like "handle", "speed", "quickness". I'd like to think OSU needs more athleticism on the court, coupled with high basketball IQ. Knowing how to move, knowing how others will, seeing the floor, spatial awareness, and being able to maneuver one's body... doesn't take all out speed, quickness, strength, or height. IMHO the roster has some pieces, but overall they just don't quite fit/mesh. In addition there's just not enough athleticism, high hoop IQ. So much of the stagnant offense and turnovers seem to be from the lack of such attributes. I agree. The only thing I would add is that the current Beavs just don't have great scorers. Much of the talent was young, so a couple of them may become scorers. Along with your "athtleticism, high hoop IQ" and ability to "mesh", I would add ability to be an offensive threat.
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 14, 2022 20:14:48 GMT -8
A back up PG would be a help, but what I'm not sure about is the 3. I hope that Gardiner is up for it, but if not then if TVO is the PG they need a starting three to take Greta's job after she moves to the two. The plan was, before Sasha wandered off, for Greta to be the SG so if that works out then someone needs to be the new three.
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