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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 15, 2022 13:18:32 GMT -8
Warner Media (formerly Time-Warner Cable) announced yesterday they are dropping OAN from their platform. That should about finish OAN. And you believe that is a good thing, correct? It’s Warner Media’s business decision. Capitalism, you know. They probably weren’t bringing in enough eyeballs and ads. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 13:33:16 GMT -8
And you believe that is a good thing, correct? It’s Warner Media’s business decision. Capitalism, you know. They probably weren’t bringing in enough eyeballs and ads. Capitalism might have been it - or something else. A short, but well stated article listed below that addresses this. As an aside, AT&T (parent of DirectTV), who dropped OAN in January, is apparently as of yesterday still selling ads on the network. Sorry, not as savvy as some on creating links.
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2022 14:29:27 GMT -8
Warner Media (formerly Time-Warner Cable) announced yesterday they are dropping OAN from their platform. That should about finish OAN. And you believe that is a good thing, correct? Given their weak attempt at journalism, yes, it is good. Read the Wikipedia entry for an idea of the unethical things they have done there. You may think that I say this because I am on the left, but that’s not true. We need a higher quality of journalism in this country everywhere. There are ways that they can continue to get their message out without being a “news” network. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2022 14:38:47 GMT -8
It’s Warner Media’s business decision. Capitalism, you know. They probably weren’t bringing in enough eyeballs and ads. Capitalism might have been it - or something else. A short, but well stated article listed below that addresses this. As an aside, AT&T (parent of DirectTV), who dropped OAN in January, is apparently as of yesterday still selling ads on the network. Sorry, not as savvy as some on creating links.
Not a bad article, but not a good one either. Show me a direct connection from registering voters to Trump’s loss. Would the author prefer that 4 million voices to have been silenced? What is he implying? Anyone who is against registering voters or getting people out to vote is un-American in my book. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 15, 2022 14:40:14 GMT -8
It’s Warner Media’s business decision. Capitalism, you know. They probably weren’t bringing in enough eyeballs and ads. Capitalism might have been it - or something else. A short, but well stated article listed below that addresses this. As an aside, AT&T (parent of DirectTV), who dropped OAN in January, is apparently as of yesterday still selling ads on the network. Sorry, not as savvy as some on creating links.
As with any business venture, failure is an option. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 14:56:43 GMT -8
Capitalism might have been it - or something else. A short, but well stated article listed below that addresses this. As an aside, AT&T (parent of DirectTV), who dropped OAN in January, is apparently as of yesterday still selling ads on the network. Sorry, not as savvy as some on creating links.
Not a bad article, but not a good one either. Show me a direct connection from registering voters to Trump’s loss. Would the author prefer that 4 million voices to have been silenced? What is he implying? Anyone who is against registering voters or getting people out to vote is un-American in my book. I agree with you on the last sentence - as long as the registered voters are legally registered by law. Nothing un-American about asking those registering to be legal citizens. Where we might disagree is I view voting as a privilege - not a right. Not everyone, by law, is eligible to vote. I have known since I was 18 years old, if I wanted to vote, I had to be a legal citizen, be registered, and show up at a polling place. Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen. I still believe in the in-person model, unless you can prove disability. Some do not. If I travel to another country, even if on a work visa, I would not presume that gives me the right when there to vote in their elections. Voting should be for citizens of that country.
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 15:00:52 GMT -8
Capitalism might have been it - or something else. A short, but well stated article listed below that addresses this. As an aside, AT&T (parent of DirectTV), who dropped OAN in January, is apparently as of yesterday still selling ads on the network. Sorry, not as savvy as some on creating links.
As with any business venture, failure is an option. Unless of course, you are considered "too big to fail", as we saw in 2007/ 2008. All animals are equal - some are just more equal than others, right? This is why a portion of the populace is angry and disillusioned. While small businesses were failing during the recession of 2007/ 2008, and during COVID, the big corporations, congress critters (just a joke) from both parties - did just fine. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 15:03:46 GMT -8
And you believe that is a good thing, correct? Read the Wikipedia entry for an idea of the unethical things they have done there. You may think that I say this because I am on the left, but that’s not true. We need a higher quality of journalism in this country everywhere. There are ways that they can continue to get their message out without being a “news” network. I suspect that is not the only network that fits the standard - a couple mentioned in the article. Not all networks have the deep pockets to pay off entities to put their "news" on TV screens - like in airports, for example. |
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2022 15:30:07 GMT -8
Not a bad article, but not a good one either. Show me a direct connection from registering voters to Trump’s loss. Would the author prefer that 4 million voices to have been silenced? What is he implying? Anyone who is against registering voters or getting people out to vote is un-American in my book. I agree with you on the last sentence - as long as the registered voters are legally registered by law. Nothing un-American about asking those registering to be legal citizens. Where we might disagree is I view voting as a privilege - not a right. Not everyone, by law, is eligible to vote. I have known since I was 18 years old, if I wanted to vote, I had to be a legal citizen, be registered, and show up at a polling place. Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen. I still believe in the in-person model, unless you can prove disability. Some do not. If I travel to another country, even if on a work visa, I would not presume that gives me the right when there to vote in their elections. Voting should be for citizens of that country.
Why not? The US still expects you to pay taxes on the money that you earn. You’re still a US citizen while you are out of the country. The children born to you while you are abroad have US citizenship. When I lived in Japan for 7 years, I was a citizen of the US. I definitely had the right to vote in all elections back in the US. What’s more, several thousands, if not millions, of Americans live outside of their country while serving the country as ambassadors, working in embassies, teaching in the American schools for those working abroad, serving in the armed forces, studying, or just playing ex-pat for awhile. You would deprive them of their voting rights? I don’t mind in-person voting, though I really like the mail-in system of Oregon and Washington. Oregon has been doing this for a generation and it has proved its worth. So if you’re just looking at numbers or voting issues from the last presidential election, well, your data set is small…kind of like Trump’s…um…hands. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2022 15:39:29 GMT -8
Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen.
When states make it a point to do everything they can to promote VBM, to make it easy and convenient for its citizens to VBM, and not intentionally throw roadblocks intending to suppress turnout (ie, one dropoff spot in Harris County, Texas), vote by mail is safe, convenient, and works wonderfully, as proven over decades in Oregon, Colorado and other states.
There are no issues with VBM in Oregon. None.
Our last presidential election had the largest percentage of VBM in history. And it was also the safest, with no serious fraud shown anywhere, according to Trumps's own cyber security chief and attorney general, and SOSs of numerous other states.
One person who refuses to acknowledge he got his ass kicked promulgated a massive lie that millions of his sheep followers swallowed hook, line and sinker.
And I'm sorry, but voting is a right, not a privilege. Yes, your actions can lead to your right to vote. But voting is not a privilege, which by definition is "a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group." It is a basic right of American citizenship and the bedrock of our democracy.
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Post by irimi on Mar 15, 2022 15:43:07 GMT -8
Given their weak attempt at journalism, yes, it is good. Read the Wikipedia entry for an idea of the unethical things they have done there. You may think that I say this because I am on the left, but that’s not true. We need a higher quality of journalism in this country everywhere. There are ways that they can continue to get their message out without being a “news” network. I suspect that is not the only network that fits the standard - a couple mentioned in the article. Not all networks have the deep pockets to pay off entities to put their "news" on TV screens - like in airports, for example. Lots of things wrong with news in the US. So you’re arguing that a crappy attempt at propagandized news should be allowed because other networks are bad? That’s not logical. We need to weed out the bad. We need to keep the good. There’s nothing wrong with conservative news done correctly. There’s nothing wrong with liberal news done correctly. As for reaching their audience, well, I think the failure of the OANN’s attempt shines pretty brightly. The general public doesn’t want to see it. It’s a fringe network, unable to support itself with viewership. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 15, 2022 15:49:06 GMT -8
As with any business venture, failure is an option. Unless of course, you are considered "too big to fail", as we saw in 2007/ 2008. All animals are equal - some are just more equal than others, right? This is why a portion of the populace is angry and disillusioned. While small businesses were failing during the recession of 2007/ 2008, and during COVID, the big corporations, congress critters (just a joke) from both parties - did just fine. When in US history was it not the case that rich people with massive fortunes (and their companies) evaded the full consequences of their blunders? Not saying it's not terrible - but it's not a new phenomenon by any stretch. And certainly not limited to the 21st century. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 15, 2022 15:51:17 GMT -8
Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen.
When states make it a point to do everything they can to promote VBM, to make it easy and convenient for its citizens to VBM, and not intentionally throw roadblocks intending to suppress turnout (ie, one dropoff spot in Harris County, Texas), vote by mail is safe, convenient, and works wonderfully, as proven over decades in Oregon, Colorado and other states. There are no issues with VBM in Oregon. None. Our last presidential election had the largest percentage of VBM in history. And it was also the safest, with no serious fraud shown anywhere, according to Trumps's own cyber security chief and attorney general, and SOSs of numerous other states. One person who refuses to acknowledge he got his ass kicked promulgated a massive lie that millions of his sheep followers swallowed hook, line and sinker. And I'm sorry, but voting is a right, not a privilege. Yes, your actions can lead to your right to vote. But voting is not a privilege, which by definition is "a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group." It is a basic right of American citizenship and the bedrock of our democracy. Oregon has the same issues with VBM as every other state practicing it. To deny it is silly. My neighbor is uppity up in USPS and there are MANY instances of misplaced ballots, ballots incorrectly delivered, multiple ballots delivered, and there is no verification process to verify the actual person still resides at the address. To me none of that is "fraudulent" or effects an outcome (unless we're talking a small town election with a very low voting base). But, it happens regularly and is an issue never really fixed as much as getting complete ballots collected. The procedural issues create a ripe environment for conspiracy theorists. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 15, 2022 15:53:43 GMT -8
Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen.
When states make it a point to do everything they can to promote VBM, to make it easy and convenient for its citizens to VBM, and not intentionally throw roadblocks intending to suppress turnout (ie, one dropoff spot in Harris County, Texas), vote by mail is safe, convenient, and works wonderfully, as proven over decades in Oregon, Colorado and other states. There are no issues with VBM in Oregon. None. Our last presidential election had the largest percentage of VBM in history. And it was also the safest, with no serious fraud shown anywhere, according to Trumps's own cyber security chief and attorney general, and SOSs of numerous other states. One person who refuses to acknowledge he got his ass kicked promulgated a massive lie that millions of his sheep followers swallowed hook, line and sinker. And I'm sorry, but voting is a right, not a privilege. Yes, your actions can lead to your right to vote. But voting is not a privilege, which by definition is "a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group." It is a basic right of American citizenship and the bedrock of our democracy. Oregon has the same issues with VBM as every other state practicing it. To deny it is silly. My neighbor is uppity up in USPS and there are MANY instances of misplaced ballots, ballots incorrectly delivered, multiple ballots delivered, and there is no verification process to verify the actual person still resides at the address. To me none of that is "fraudulent" or effects an outcome (unless we're talking a small town election with a very low voting base). But, it happens regularly and is an issue never really fixed as much as getting complete ballots collected. The procedural issues create a ripe environment for conspiracy theorists. So disappointed in the Cyber Ninjas failure.  |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 15:54:18 GMT -8
I agree with you on the last sentence - as long as the registered voters are legally registered by law. Nothing un-American about asking those registering to be legal citizens. Where we might disagree is I view voting as a privilege - not a right. Not everyone, by law, is eligible to vote. I have known since I was 18 years old, if I wanted to vote, I had to be a legal citizen, be registered, and show up at a polling place. Vote by mail, although easier than showing up in person, has it's issues, as we have seen. I still believe in the in-person model, unless you can prove disability. Some do not. If I travel to another country, even if on a work visa, I would not presume that gives me the right when there to vote in their elections. Voting should be for citizens of that country.
Why not? The US still expects you to pay taxes on the money that you earn. You’re still a US citizen while you are out of the country. The children born to you while you are abroad have US citizenship. When I lived in Japan for 7 years, I was a citizen of the US. I definitely had the right to vote in all elections back in the US. What’s more, several thousands, if not millions, of Americans live outside of their country while serving the country as ambassadors, working in embassies, teaching in the American schools for those working abroad, serving in the armed forces, studying, or just playing ex-pat for awhile. You would deprive them of their voting rights? I don’t mind in-person voting, though I really like the mail-in system of Oregon and Washington. Oregon has been doing this for a generation and it has proved its worth. So if you’re just looking at numbers or voting issues from the last presidential election, well, your data set is small…kind of like Trump’s…um…hands.
Ha Ha - I have no problem with some good humor - that schtick didn't work out so well for Cruz and Rubio, however  . I think we are talking about two different things on voting. I am talking about being in another country, and voting in their election - not voting in your home country when abroad |
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. I think we are talking about two different things on voting. I am talking about being in another country, and voting in their election - not voting in your home country when abroad