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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 11, 2022 15:30:22 GMT -8
Ha ha! I have been posting on here since when OA (Chad) was the board moderator. In fairness to Glove, being moderator in today's times has got to be tough. My only point is either keep all of the politics off of the board - or let it go.
Point of clarification: there never has been a moderator here named Chad. I think you’re conflating BeaverFootball.com with BennysHouse.com. Not a big deal. As I’ve attempted to explain to you (and a few others) before, I do my best to keep things apolitical on this forum. And I ask the members to do the same. Alas, I am only human and therefore, my biases might seep through. Please forgive that. Bottom line is that I do this as a hobby and service for fellow Beaver fans. For the most part it’s rewarding, but sometimes it’s a real pain in the ass. Like when people intentionally pick fights with others based upon a post. Doubling down on on the stupidity instead of ignoring it, or reporting it. They knowingly go against board rules because they’re offended or somehow otherwise feel the need to lash out. Your return to posting here after a long absence prompted me to re-read the PMs we exchanged back then. You really were not happy with how I moderate my own website and called me a Nazi. I suggested you might be happier spending your time elsewhere. So what has changed? What brings you back to a place clearly don’t like? I too went over the PM's between you and I. Point of clarification, because I believe words matter. I referenced the concept "board Nazi", which is different than making it personal. Board Nazi to me means your actions on this board - nothing else. The other would be aimed at you personally. Any inference to it being a personal attack was not intended. My apologies. And yes, it is a hobby and a service on your part - thank you for that. Regarding Orange Attack, yes, it was a different board. My bad - I was misremembering you had taken over the same board. The salient point here, I didn't just show up during COVID, as someone referenced. I believe I registered here just after you formed the board.
The reason for the post, was this thread topic - the event with LH will always be a shame and a disgrace the way the Oregonian, DM and JC handled it. An unnecessary blow to a stellar program - OSU baseball. And if you have the courage to read the article I linked, the timing of the release stinks to high heaven of self dealing. Luke Heimlich earned his right to be a part of that program. Pat Casey never wavered in his support of Luke, and now, instead of having potentially another Beaver alum on a MLB team, we have as far as I can tell, LH completely out of baseball, because of an unnecessary character assassination. And there are people on this board, who still support JC. Sad, really sad.
Lastly, I never left - I can read without signing in. I just decided it wasn't worth it to post. As you yourself have said, most of the people who are registered here never post. They just read. The only connection the wide spectrum of people, or what should be a wide spectrum of people, on this board have is OSU sports. In a country so divided right now, I will take anything that can help us escape politics, and find something in common. That is why I am still here.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 11, 2022 19:52:33 GMT -8
One last thing and I'm done. About once a year John would squeeze out a heart-rending story about a local desperately sick kid or down on his luck former athlete in an attempt to offset his well-earned reputation as an a**hole. The subjects were often worthy of attention and compassion. But the stories were so transparently self-serving that it undercut any empathy he was trying to drum-up. The only thing I remember about any of those tales now is the way he invariably placed himself at the center of each and every one. FWIW, my cousin married the gal second from the left. Her stage name is “Anaconnie”. She’s a class act who is as nice as she is pretty. Wunnerful! |
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Post by irimi on Mar 12, 2022 17:25:22 GMT -8
I'm trying to remember. I think NativeBeav was active for a few months when Covid got going and I also remember him supporting Mike Gundy's shirt that was advertising one of the networks that was more authoritarian than Fox. I thought his objective was to bring Qanon nonsense here. But he's not posted in a long time except for yesterday. I'm guessing he was just trying to get a breath of fresh air after being barricaded in his basement. (edit) Hah! I see we are posting at the same time. Ha ha! I have been posting on here since when OA (Chad) was the board moderator. In fairness to Glove, being moderator in today's times has got to be tough. My only point is either keep all of the politics off of the board - or let it go. Mike Gundy has a constitutional right (weird, right?) to wear whatever he wants - when on his own time - which he was at the time. No big deal if it is a BLM or Antifa shirt, right? What I love, is although I think he made a mistake apologizing and bowing to the woke crowd - he got even in the end. He kept his job, and sat Chubba Hubbard's happy ass down on the bench the following season. And yes, Irmi, I do have a friend that was here and tailgated with me when we played OSU, and was looking forward to traveling to Oklahoma and staying outside of Tulsa and going to the game in 2020, until the virus hit and changed that.
Qanon? Never read or pay attention to it. I have a successful career, a side business, large family and have been breathing just fine. It is all of the suffocating mask wearers that need some fresh air. Too funny! Thanks for the laugh!
The Constitution says nothing about this. The closest support that maybe you could bring up is the line in the Declaration of Independence about “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” So wearing what you want is not Constitutionally guaranteed and may certainly have repercussions. So often the Constitution is being invoked as if it guarantees all these so called rights and liberties, but it really doesn’t. READ it. If you are not a mask wearer and haven’t had your vaccine, then thank the mask-wearers around you. You’ve been protected by them. That’s how herd immunity works. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 12, 2022 22:46:12 GMT -8
Ha ha! I have been posting on here since when OA (Chad) was the board moderator. In fairness to Glove, being moderator in today's times has got to be tough. My only point is either keep all of the politics off of the board - or let it go. Mike Gundy has a constitutional right (weird, right?) to wear whatever he wants - when on his own time - which he was at the time. No big deal if it is a BLM or Antifa shirt, right? What I love, is although I think he made a mistake apologizing and bowing to the woke crowd - he got even in the end. He kept his job, and sat Chubba Hubbard's happy ass down on the bench the following season. And yes, Irmi, I do have a friend that was here and tailgated with me when we played OSU, and was looking forward to traveling to Oklahoma and staying outside of Tulsa and going to the game in 2020, until the virus hit and changed that.
Qanon? Never read or pay attention to it. I have a successful career, a side business, large family and have been breathing just fine. It is all of the suffocating mask wearers that need some fresh air. Too funny! Thanks for the laugh!
The Constitution says nothing about this. The closest support that maybe you could bring up is the line in the Declaration of Independence about “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” So wearing what you want is not Constitutionally guaranteed and may certainly have repercussions. So often the Constitution is being invoked as if it guarantees all these so called rights and liberties, but it really doesn’t. READ it. If you are not a mask wearer and haven’t had your vaccine, then thank the mask-wearers around you. You’ve been protected by them. That’s how herd immunity works. Really - so, which agency of govt is going to start arresting people for wearing what someone else decides is not appropriate? What standards are they going to use? Who decides, the woke mob? Cancel culture? The only control any company or agency has is over workplace attire. Not when away from the workplace, or off duty. In poor taste and illegal are two different things.
I don't think you really understand what herd immunity means. I remember as a kid, when someone had chicken pox, the other parents rushed their kids to get infected, because then they had immunity, and wouldn't get it later in life. Herd immunity is when enough of the population has had a virus, that it no longer can be easily transmitted. Most of America, vaccinated or not, has had the virus. Masks and the shots did not help us get to herd immunity, if anything all they did was prolong us getting to where we are, not the other way around. Notice how the narrative has changed in 24 months? It went from immunity from catching and/or spreading the virus, to mitigating/ lessening the symptoms, and keeping you out of the hospital. Doesn't sound like immunity to me.
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 12, 2022 23:02:20 GMT -8
Ha ha! I have been posting on here since when OA (Chad) was the board moderator. In fairness to Glove, being moderator in today's times has got to be tough. My only point is either keep all of the politics off of the board - or let it go. Mike Gundy has a constitutional right (weird, right?) to wear whatever he wants - when on his own time - which he was at the time. No big deal if it is a BLM or Antifa shirt, right? What I love, is although I think he made a mistake apologizing and bowing to the woke crowd - he got even in the end. He kept his job, and sat Chubba Hubbard's happy ass down on the bench the following season. And yes, Irmi, I do have a friend that was here and tailgated with me when we played OSU, and was looking forward to traveling to Oklahoma and staying outside of Tulsa and going to the game in 2020, until the virus hit and changed that.
Qanon? Never read or pay attention to it. I have a successful career, a side business, large family and have been breathing just fine. It is all of the suffocating mask wearers that need some fresh air. Too funny! Thanks for the laugh!
The Constitution says nothing about this. The closest support that maybe you could bring up is the line in the Declaration of Independence about “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” So wearing what you want is not Constitutionally guaranteed and may certainly have repercussions. So often the Constitution is being invoked as if it guarantees all these so called rights and liberties, but it really doesn’t. READ it. If you are not a mask wearer and haven’t had your vaccine, then thank the mask-wearers around you. You’ve been protected by them. That’s how herd immunity works. I think you’re 0-2 here, but honestly I don’t care. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 13, 2022 7:15:21 GMT -8
The Constitution says nothing about this. The closest support that maybe you could bring up is the line in the Declaration of Independence about “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” So wearing what you want is not Constitutionally guaranteed and may certainly have repercussions. So often the Constitution is being invoked as if it guarantees all these so called rights and liberties, but it really doesn’t. READ it. If you are not a mask wearer and haven’t had your vaccine, then thank the mask-wearers around you. You’ve been protected by them. That’s how herd immunity works. Really - so, which agency of govt is going to start arresting people for wearing what someone else decides is not appropriate? What standards are they going to use? Who decides, the woke mob? Cancel culture? The only control any company or agency has is over workplace attire. Not when away from the workplace, or off duty. In poor taste and illegal are two different things.
I don't think you really understand what herd immunity means. I remember as a kid, when someone had chicken pox, the other parents rushed their kids to get infected, because then they had immunity, and wouldn't get it later in life. Herd immunity is when enough of the population has had a virus, that it no longer can be easily transmitted. Most of America, vaccinated or not, has had the virus. Masks and the shots did not help us get to herd immunity, if anything all they did was prolong us getting to where we are, not the other way around. Notice how the narrative has changed in 24 months? It went from immunity from catching and/or spreading the virus, to mitigating/ lessening the symptoms, and keeping you out of the hospital. Doesn't sound like immunity to me.
To your ‘points’: 1. Gundy was never threatened with arrest. 2. I don’t know what a “cancel culture” or a “woke mob” is. But if you are referring to boycotts or bad publicity to businesses or individuals from their actions (legal or illegal) aimed at influencing those actions, that happens on all sides of the political spectrum. 3. Your comparison of Covid to chicken pox. Not a valid comparison from the standpoint of lethality Funny, this thread is ostensibly about the termination (voluntarily or otherwise) of a longtime local sportswriter. I’ll take its unfortunate and unnecessary detour into public health policy and political axe-grinding to mean there’s nothing more to be said about the primary subject. Which, I suppose, is good. Might be time for a 🔒 |
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2022 10:09:07 GMT -8
The Constitution says nothing about this. The closest support that maybe you could bring up is the line in the Declaration of Independence about “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” So wearing what you want is not Constitutionally guaranteed and may certainly have repercussions. So often the Constitution is being invoked as if it guarantees all these so called rights and liberties, but it really doesn’t. READ it. If you are not a mask wearer and haven’t had your vaccine, then thank the mask-wearers around you. You’ve been protected by them. That’s how herd immunity works. Really - so, which agency of govt is going to start arresting people for wearing what someone else decides is not appropriate? What standards are they going to use? Who decides, the woke mob? Cancel culture? The only control any company or agency has is over workplace attire. Not when away from the workplace, or off duty. In poor taste and illegal are two different things.
I don't think you really understand what herd immunity means. I remember as a kid, when someone had chicken pox, the other parents rushed their kids to get infected, because then they had immunity, and wouldn't get it later in life. Herd immunity is when enough of the population has had a virus, that it no longer can be easily transmitted. Most of America, vaccinated or not, has had the virus. Masks and the shots did not help us get to herd immunity, if anything all they did was prolong us getting to where we are, not the other way around. Notice how the narrative has changed in 24 months? It went from immunity from catching and/or spreading the virus, to mitigating/ lessening the symptoms, and keeping you out of the hospital. Doesn't sound like immunity to me.
My friend, you seem to be missing the point that just because the government doesn't care what you wear doesn't mean your employer doesn't. The government (ie, the Constitution) doesn't weigh in on the matter. Cities say you have to wear clothes when you leave your property, but they don't exactly say what you must wear. Businesses decide what you have to wear: shirt and shoes; or a jacket and tie. And companies also decide what you should wear to your job. And for someone like Gundy--a high profile employee who represents the university during and out of work hours--more is expected. It happens all the time. A DUI will get a coach fired or at least reprimanded. Why? It's his time. Expectations are different. Your definition of herd immunity is not exactly correct. I've never had measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but there is herd immunity at least in the US due to vaccinations. Some people are medically unable to receive vaccinations, but these people are protected because most Americans have had the vaccinations, so the diseases can't easily find a host. People working together can eliminate these viruses and protect those who cannot join in the fight. Penn and Teller do an excellent segment on this, if you want to laugh and learn. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 13, 2022 12:41:08 GMT -8
Really - so, which agency of govt is going to start arresting people for wearing what someone else decides is not appropriate? What standards are they going to use? Who decides, the woke mob? Cancel culture? The only control any company or agency has is over workplace attire. Not when away from the workplace, or off duty. In poor taste and illegal are two different things.
I don't think you really understand what herd immunity means. I remember as a kid, when someone had chicken pox, the other parents rushed their kids to get infected, because then they had immunity, and wouldn't get it later in life. Herd immunity is when enough of the population has had a virus, that it no longer can be easily transmitted. Most of America, vaccinated or not, has had the virus. Masks and the shots did not help us get to herd immunity, if anything all they did was prolong us getting to where we are, not the other way around. Notice how the narrative has changed in 24 months? It went from immunity from catching and/or spreading the virus, to mitigating/ lessening the symptoms, and keeping you out of the hospital. Doesn't sound like immunity to me.
My friend, you seem to be missing the point that just because the government doesn't care what you wear doesn't mean your employer doesn't. The government (ie, the Constitution) doesn't weigh in on the matter. Cities say you have to wear clothes when you leave your property, but they don't exactly say what you must wear. Businesses decide what you have to wear: shirt and shoes; or a jacket and tie. And companies also decide what you should wear to your job. And for someone like Gundy--a high profile employee who represents the university during and out of work hours--more is expected. It happens all the time. A DUI will get a coach fired or at least reprimanded. Why? It's his time. Expectations are different. Your definition of herd immunity is not exactly correct. I've never had measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but there is herd immunity at least in the US due to vaccinations. Some people are medically unable to receive vaccinations, but these people are protected because most Americans have had the vaccinations, so the diseases can't easily find a host. People working together can eliminate these viruses and protect those who cannot join in the fight. Penn and Teller do an excellent segment on this, if you want to laugh and learn. I don't believe I am missing the point at all. I already stated employers have a right to dictate workplace attire. Where it becomes dicey is what constitutes workplace when you are in a high profile public position? For a football coach, if you are off field and not at a public event where you are acting as an emissary for the university, I believe you have every right to wear whatever you want. Either the first amendment means what it means - or it doesn't. You or I do not get to pick and choose when it suits our fancy. A DUI is an actual breaking of the law - wearing a t-shirt with OAN or CNN - not so much. I do agree that certain positions (head football coach) carries a higher standard than other positions, but here again, where does it stop? If the current gaggle of people are so offended one wears an OAN t-shirt - a legal, legitimate news network, what happens when a different gaggle decides a BLM/ Antifa shirt will get you fired? Slippery slope in my opinion, since we are talking about our first amendment rights. On field? I totally agree. Off field? Not so much.
I find it amusing that the people that would rail against the McCarthy era in our country's history, are now engaged on social media in much the same action, only in the other direction. First amendment for me, but not for thee, right? One of my favorite bumper stickers is "I will give up my second amendment rights when you give up your first amendment rights". Point being, they are number one and two for a reason.
Here again, historically, I would agree with you on vaccines. But this is different. Not only do these vaccines not protect you from getting the virus, they do not keep you from spreading it either. That was/ is not true with the other vaccines you referenced.
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2022 13:10:25 GMT -8
My friend, you seem to be missing the point that just because the government doesn't care what you wear doesn't mean your employer doesn't. The government (ie, the Constitution) doesn't weigh in on the matter. Cities say you have to wear clothes when you leave your property, but they don't exactly say what you must wear. Businesses decide what you have to wear: shirt and shoes; or a jacket and tie. And companies also decide what you should wear to your job. And for someone like Gundy--a high profile employee who represents the university during and out of work hours--more is expected. It happens all the time. A DUI will get a coach fired or at least reprimanded. Why? It's his time. Expectations are different. Your definition of herd immunity is not exactly correct. I've never had measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but there is herd immunity at least in the US due to vaccinations. Some people are medically unable to receive vaccinations, but these people are protected because most Americans have had the vaccinations, so the diseases can't easily find a host. People working together can eliminate these viruses and protect those who cannot join in the fight. Penn and Teller do an excellent segment on this, if you want to laugh and learn. I don't believe I am missing the point at all. I already stated employers have a right to dictate workplace attire. Where it becomes dicey is what constitutes workplace when you are in a high profile public position? For a football coach, if you are off field and not at a public event where you are acting as an emissary for the university, I believe you have every right to wear whatever you want. Either the first amendment means what it means - or it doesn't. You or I do not get to pick and choose when it suits our fancy. A DUI is an actual breaking of the law - wearing a t-shirt with OAN or CNN - not so much. I do agree that certain positions (head football coach) carries a higher standard than other positions, but here again, where does it stop? If the current gaggle of people are so offended one wears an OAN t-shirt - a legal, legitimate news network, what happens when a different gaggle decides a BLM/ Antifa shirt will get you fired? Slippery slope in my opinion, since we are talking about our first amendment rights. On field? I totally agree. Off field? Not so much.
I find it amusing that the people that would rail against the McCarthy era in our country's history, are now engaged on social media in much the same action, only in the other direction. First amendment for me, but not for thee, right? One of my favorite bumper stickers is "I will give up my second amendment rights when you give up your first amendment rights". Point being, they are number one and two for a reason.
Here again, historically, I would agree with you on vaccines. But this is different. Not only do these vaccines not protect you from getting the virus, they do not keep you from spreading it either. That was/ is not true with the other vaccines you referenced.
Now we're getting somewhere. I like that you recognize that Gundy is a high profile employee of the university, whose contract is likely to include clauses which cover this. After all, it's in the best interest of the university to do so. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that he wasn't fired for wearing the t-shirt, but probably for the ramifications of wearing that t-shirt. (It created a negative culture among the student-athletes.) He brought politics into his work and it backfired. It's easy to see the beauty of vaccines when looking backward, but in the middle of the pandemic, it is harder. During the pandemic, you're either doing what you can to fight the virus or you are helping keep the virus going and mutating. Even if it doesn't kill you. Lots of people around you fought the virus. Be appreciative. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Mar 13, 2022 13:17:14 GMT -8
The horse is beaten.
The arguments have been made.
Both sides believe they’re right.
More discussion is fruitless.
Back to Canzano. Like him or hate him, or anything in between, he is an award winning columnist. I’m mostly indifferent.
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 13, 2022 13:36:26 GMT -8
I don't believe I am missing the point at all. I already stated employers have a right to dictate workplace attire. Where it becomes dicey is what constitutes workplace when you are in a high profile public position? For a football coach, if you are off field and not at a public event where you are acting as an emissary for the university, I believe you have every right to wear whatever you want. Either the first amendment means what it means - or it doesn't. You or I do not get to pick and choose when it suits our fancy. A DUI is an actual breaking of the law - wearing a t-shirt with OAN or CNN - not so much. I do agree that certain positions (head football coach) carries a higher standard than other positions, but here again, where does it stop? If the current gaggle of people are so offended one wears an OAN t-shirt - a legal, legitimate news network, what happens when a different gaggle decides a BLM/ Antifa shirt will get you fired? Slippery slope in my opinion, since we are talking about our first amendment rights. On field? I totally agree. Off field? Not so much.
I find it amusing that the people that would rail against the McCarthy era in our country's history, are now engaged on social media in much the same action, only in the other direction. First amendment for me, but not for thee, right? One of my favorite bumper stickers is "I will give up my second amendment rights when you give up your first amendment rights". Point being, they are number one and two for a reason.
Here again, historically, I would agree with you on vaccines. But this is different. Not only do these vaccines not protect you from getting the virus, they do not keep you from spreading it either. That was/ is not true with the other vaccines you referenced.
Now we're getting somewhere. I like that you recognize that Gundy is a high profile employee of the university, whose contract is likely to include clauses which cover this. After all, it's in the best interest of the university to do so. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that he wasn't fired for wearing the t-shirt, but probably for the ramifications of wearing that t-shirt. (It created a negative culture among the student-athletes.) He brought politics into his work and it backfired. It's easy to see the beauty of vaccines when looking backward, but in the middle of the pandemic, it is harder. During the pandemic, you're either doing what you can to fight the virus or you are helping keep the virus going and mutating. Even if it doesn't kill you. Lots of people around you fought the virus. Be appreciative. Two very minor points: One, Gundy wasn't fired, he was "sanctioned" by the university - million dollar fine, and loss of one year of contract. He probably gained that back and then some this past year. And no, I do not believe his contract delineated this at all. He made the decision, right or wrong, to suck it up and live to coach another day. Had he quit and sued the university, he may have won the lawsuit, but would have been done as a coach. Win the battle, but lose the war.
Second, What I appreciate is when both sides of the virus debate respect each other's rights to make decisions for their own bodies. All people fought the virus, vaccinated or not. I respect and appreciate the front line workers who have had to deal with the ramifications of the virus - people working in hospitals, etc. I also am appreciative that there are lots of people that will be digging deep into what really happened here, who knew what when, etc. So much disinformation all the way around.
Sorry Spud, I know the horse is dead  . At least now that Canzano is gone, we can let this era fade into the rear view mirror. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 13, 2022 13:58:19 GMT -8
Now we're getting somewhere. I like that you recognize that Gundy is a high profile employee of the university, whose contract is likely to include clauses which cover this. After all, it's in the best interest of the university to do so. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that he wasn't fired for wearing the t-shirt, but probably for the ramifications of wearing that t-shirt. (It created a negative culture among the student-athletes.) He brought politics into his work and it backfired. It's easy to see the beauty of vaccines when looking backward, but in the middle of the pandemic, it is harder. During the pandemic, you're either doing what you can to fight the virus or you are helping keep the virus going and mutating. Even if it doesn't kill you. Lots of people around you fought the virus. Be appreciative. Two very minor points: One, Gundy wasn't fired, he was "sanctioned" by the university - million dollar fine, and loss of one year of contract. He probably gained that back and then some this past year. And no, I do not believe his contract delineated this at all. He made the decision, right or wrong, to suck it up and live to coach another day. Had he quit and sued the university, he may have won the lawsuit, but would have been done as a coach. Win the battle, but lose the war.
Second, What I appreciate is when both sides of the virus debate respect each other's rights to make decisions for their own bodies. All people fought the virus, vaccinated or not. I respect and appreciate the front line workers who have had to deal with the ramifications of the virus - people working in hospitals, etc. I also am appreciative that there are lots of people that will be digging deep into what really happened here, who knew what when, etc. So much disinformation all the way around.
Sorry Spud, I know the horse is dead  . At least now that Canzano is gone, we can let this era fade into the rear view mirror. ^  |
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Post by irimi on Mar 13, 2022 14:02:05 GMT -8
Now we're getting somewhere. I like that you recognize that Gundy is a high profile employee of the university, whose contract is likely to include clauses which cover this. After all, it's in the best interest of the university to do so. More importantly, I'm pretty sure that he wasn't fired for wearing the t-shirt, but probably for the ramifications of wearing that t-shirt. (It created a negative culture among the student-athletes.) He brought politics into his work and it backfired. It's easy to see the beauty of vaccines when looking backward, but in the middle of the pandemic, it is harder. During the pandemic, you're either doing what you can to fight the virus or you are helping keep the virus going and mutating. Even if it doesn't kill you. Lots of people around you fought the virus. Be appreciative. Two very minor points: One, Gundy wasn't fired, he was "sanctioned" by the university - million dollar fine, and loss of one year of contract. He probably gained that back and then some this past year. And no, I do not believe his contract delineated this at all. He made the decision, right or wrong, to suck it up and live to coach another day. Had he quit and sued the university, he may have won the lawsuit, but would have been done as a coach. Win the battle, but lose the war.
Second, What I appreciate is when both sides of the virus debate respect each other's rights to make decisions for their own bodies. All people fought the virus, vaccinated or not. I respect and appreciate the front line workers who have had to deal with the ramificatns of the virus - people working in hospitals, etc. I also am appreciative that there are lots of people that will be digging deep into what really happened here, who knew what when, etc. So much disinformation all the way around.
Sorry Spud, I know the horse is dead . At least now that Canzano is gone, we can let this era fade into the rear view mirror. If only there was still some Ivermectin around for the poor horse.....  |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 15, 2022 7:01:02 GMT -8
Really - so, which agency of govt is going to start arresting people for wearing what someone else decides is not appropriate? What standards are they going to use? Who decides, the woke mob? Cancel culture? The only control any company or agency has is over workplace attire. Not when away from the workplace, or off duty. In poor taste and illegal are two different things.
I don't think you really understand what herd immunity means. I remember as a kid, when someone had chicken pox, the other parents rushed their kids to get infected, because then they had immunity, and wouldn't get it later in life. Herd immunity is when enough of the population has had a virus, that it no longer can be easily transmitted. Most of America, vaccinated or not, has had the virus. Masks and the shots did not help us get to herd immunity, if anything all they did was prolong us getting to where we are, not the other way around. Notice how the narrative has changed in 24 months? It went from immunity from catching and/or spreading the virus, to mitigating/ lessening the symptoms, and keeping you out of the hospital. Doesn't sound like immunity to me.
My friend, you seem to be missing the point that just because the government doesn't care what you wear doesn't mean your employer doesn't. The government (ie, the Constitution) doesn't weigh in on the matter. Cities say you have to wear clothes when you leave your property, but they don't exactly say what you must wear. Businesses decide what you have to wear: shirt and shoes; or a jacket and tie. And companies also decide what you should wear to your job. And for someone like Gundy--a high profile employee who represents the university during and out of work hours--more is expected. It happens all the time. A DUI will get a coach fired or at least reprimanded. Why? It's his time. Expectations are different. Your definition of herd immunity is not exactly correct. I've never had measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but there is herd immunity at least in the US due to vaccinations. Some people are medically unable to receive vaccinations, but these people are protected because most Americans have had the vaccinations, so the diseases can't easily find a host. People working together can eliminate these viruses and protect those who cannot join in the fight. Penn and Teller do an excellent segment on this, if you want to laugh and learn. Warner Media (formerly Time-Warner Cable) announced yesterday they are dropping OAN from their platform. That should about finish OAN. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Mar 15, 2022 11:12:31 GMT -8
My friend, you seem to be missing the point that just because the government doesn't care what you wear doesn't mean your employer doesn't. The government (ie, the Constitution) doesn't weigh in on the matter. Cities say you have to wear clothes when you leave your property, but they don't exactly say what you must wear. Businesses decide what you have to wear: shirt and shoes; or a jacket and tie. And companies also decide what you should wear to your job. And for someone like Gundy--a high profile employee who represents the university during and out of work hours--more is expected. It happens all the time. A DUI will get a coach fired or at least reprimanded. Why? It's his time. Expectations are different. Your definition of herd immunity is not exactly correct. I've never had measles, mumps, rubella, polio, but there is herd immunity at least in the US due to vaccinations. Some people are medically unable to receive vaccinations, but these people are protected because most Americans have had the vaccinations, so the diseases can't easily find a host. People working together can eliminate these viruses and protect those who cannot join in the fight. Penn and Teller do an excellent segment on this, if you want to laugh and learn. Warner Media (formerly Time-Warner Cable) announced yesterday they are dropping OAN from their platform. That should about finish OAN. And you believe that is a good thing, correct? |
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. At least now that Canzano is gone, we can let this era fade into the rear view mirror.
. At least now that Canzano is gone, we can let this era fade into the rear view mirror.