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WSU makeup game thread Mar 4, 2022 5:54:27 GMT -8 via mobile irimi likes this

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Post by nabeav on Mar 4, 2022 5:54:27 GMT -8

My last response to this “the elite 8 run was lucky” nonsense is that if team had rattled off six straight wins with three of them against ranked opponents during the regular season, they likely get into the tournament last year that way. Obviously that didn’t happen, but if he wins six games of that level in a row (say beating Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, and Oregon back to back) two weeks earlier in the season and qualifies for the tournament as an at large, he earns an extension that way.

A 4-year extension for a coach who just took a school to the elite 8 that hadn’t been there in 40 years doesn’t seem that crazy to me.

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WSU makeup game thread Mar 4, 2022 7:00:31 GMT -8 via mobile

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Mar 4, 2022 5:54:27 GMT -8 nabeav said:

My last response to this “the elite 8 run was lucky” nonsense is that if team had rattled off six straight wins with three of them against ranked opponents during the regular season, they likely get into the tournament last year that way. Obviously that didn’t happen, but if he wins six games of that level in a row (say beating Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, and Oregon back to back) two weeks earlier in the season and qualifies for the tournament as an at large, he earns an extension that way.

A 4-year extension for a coach who just took a school to the elite 8 that hadn’t been there in 40 years doesn’t seem that crazy to me.

If you are replaying to my post, I never said it was lucky nor that WT didn’t deserve an extension. But I don’t think you can look at the E8 in a vacuum — or rather the AD shouldn’t have. Given WT’s body of work and overall record, I think a 4-year extension was too long. Give WT a 2-year extension and a raise to reward him for the E8 run. I have no problem at all with that. But like I said in previous post, I don’t think there was any indication based on the regular season or his previous years at OSU to lead one to believe that the E8 run would mean sustained improvement or success in future years. That is what I expect for a four year extension. So why tie your hands with an extension of that length?

I hope WT can turn things around and help the Beavers find sustained success. It is much more fun if the teams I cheer for are good. But I have no expectations that it will happen with him as coach — and I think the fans should if the coach receives a four year extension. Obviously you feel differently and we’ll just have to agree to disagree cuz I think we can all agree WT will be HC next year. What I worry will happen though is we’ll see some marginal improvement next year over this year, and we’ll start hearing “look they’ve improved some and considering the players that left WT has done a pretty good job. We can’t get rid of him. “

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WSU makeup game thread Mar 4, 2022 7:13:46 GMT -8 via mobile

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Post by william44 on Mar 4, 2022 7:13:46 GMT -8

Guess things just went south in all ways pissible. I actually agree about extension. Just to long. I saw all the games last Year. Was great end. Especially with UCLA Gonzaga game.
This is not going to be easy to fix. I like Wayne Tinkle. Saying that his body of work is not conducive to winning basketball.
We were spoiled with Gill and Ralph Miller. Diffident styles but They won. Outside of those two coaches we have been not very good. What is it that keeps us mediocre? How can the School fix this? Do You want a House cleaning? Who is better that would come here?

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WSU makeup game thread Mar 4, 2022 7:48:01 GMT -8 via mobile

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Mar 4, 2022 5:54:27 GMT -8 nabeav said:

My last response to this “the elite 8 run was lucky” nonsense is that if team had rattled off six straight wins with three of them against ranked opponents during the regular season, they likely get into the tournament last year that way. Obviously that didn’t happen, but if he wins six games of that level in a row (say beating Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, and Oregon back to back) two weeks earlier in the season and qualifies for the tournament as an at large, he earns an extension that way.

A 4-year extension for a coach who just took a school to the elite 8 that hadn’t been there in 40 years doesn’t seem that crazy to me.

I said “one-off season”, not lucky. Fortunate? Sure.

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WSU makeup game thread Mar 4, 2022 10:35:25 GMT -8

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Post by rgeorge on Mar 4, 2022 10:35:25 GMT -8

Mar 4, 2022 5:14:39 GMT -8 beaverinohio said:

Mar 3, 2022 11:00:09 GMT -8 nabeav said:

I meant prior to the NCAA tourney run. There were plenty of people saying a change needed to happen.

Extensions have always been the lever that's been pulled at OSU to keep coaches. In fact, everyone does it.

UCLA - Gave Mick Cronin a 2 year extension (and bumped him up to $4M per year
Michigan - Extended Juwon Howard and gave him a $1M per year raise
Arkansas - Extended Eric Musselman (and paying him $4M per year)
Baylor - AD was quoted as saying they are "enhancing the total package" for Scott Drew
USC - extended Enfield
Gonzaga - Can't find any info on Mark Few's contract, but they're private and don't have to disclose anything
Houston - extended Sampson
OSU - Extended Tinkle
Loyola - coach took the Oklahoma job
Oral Roberts - Extended Paul Mills
Syracuse - Has a living legend that can coach as long as he wants
Villanova - Jay Wright is the third highest paid coach in the nation, he doesn't need an extension
Alabama - Extended Nate Oats (announced before tournament)
Florida State - Extended Leonard Hamilton (announced before tournament)
Creighton - McDermott has been there forever, and a contract extension likely would've been bad PR after he said "everyone needed to stay on the plantation" when talking about his team.
Oregon - Extended Altman

Virtually every coach of a team that made the Sweet 16 last year got a contract extension. It's not like giving Tinkle and extension was ridiculous or reckless here. That's what happens.

As others have pointed out, the extension, especially given WT’s body of work, was for too many years. I mean how many of these coaches led teams that had to win its conference tournament to get into tourney? The E8 run was great, but there was very little if any indication from the regular season or previous seasons under WT that the tournament success was laying the groundwork for future sustained success.

Quit it!!

Thank makes too much sense.