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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 28, 2022 22:49:11 GMT -8
Ok... I was out, taped it. Do I dare watch? I'd recommend shutting it off at around the 1:30 mark in the 2nd half. Just pretend it was over after that.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 28, 2022 22:54:08 GMT -8
Near opposite mirror images…first half/second half. Nine players running out of gas WAS an issue. Ahelluva good first half though. Saw Wayne signal for Warith to come in midway through OT... Warith started to get up and then immediately sat back down shaking his head saying he couldn't go. He has definitely not had the same hops, quickness, and athleticism as last season, and looks to be still hampered by his knees. He had two heat packs/braces on them in warm-ups as well. Fatigue was definitely an issue, we essentially had 6 players the last 5 minutes+ OT since Rand didn't play at all either. But unfortunately, fatigue doesn't excuse the sloppiness of the last couple of minutes of the game. Really should've been a game we walked away with being in the driver's seat rather than scrambling to try to avoid OT. These guys need to learn how to win again and that in itself is a challenge that's going to carry over to next season much like it did after the 16/17 season with whoever is left.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 28, 2022 23:20:04 GMT -8
I don’t necessarily buy the fatigue excuse when you choose to play a guy like Rand only 7 minutes.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 1, 2022 4:55:54 GMT -8
I didn’t realize Beavs had a game last night (probably too tired to have stayed up even if I knew) until I saw during game Tweets updating action when I checked my Twitter feed this morning. Rather than jump to the result, I kept reading each update, and even experiencing the game that way I was excited for the team during the first half. Seeing that Silva was a perfect 5 for 5, Davis had 8 assists, and Calloo was having a big night on senior night made me happy. Then of course the wheels came off and it was more of the same for this team. Damn. Thought they might actually go out strong.
I would like to take the time to thank the seniors, especially Silva. Players aren’t blameless in this year’s debacle, but I don’t know who were “more to blame” because their attitudes and efforts didn’t help this team come together. But no player wants to have a season like this one. As to Silva, he’s always been kind of a favorite of mine. His lack of quickness has always limited him, and this year injury issues made it worse. But damn if he didn’t have some great footwork in the post. I don’t know if he was ever appreciated much at Gill (following more athletic centers like Eubanks and Kylor certainly didn’t help), so I was very happy to see him lead the team in scoring with 21 points on 7-8 shooting from field and 7-7 from line. Good job Roman.
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Post by OSUprof on Mar 1, 2022 8:18:48 GMT -8
The program is entering historic territory: 3-25, 1-17, 0.107 winning percentage (worst all time if it holds), no wins since December...
And for Tinkle, his winning percentage has dropped below Anderson on both overall and conference games, and is below Robinson in overall games and is essentially tied with Robinson on conference games. Both were fired after 6 seasons. No coach has had so few wins in two seasons and that includes the era when OSU played 8 and 10 games in a season.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 1, 2022 9:28:25 GMT -8
Concerning thing to me was how we defended ball screens the entire second half. Every time Silva was in, they just had his guy set a pick and we were toast. Rotations were slow or nonexistent. Ironically, the one time we didn't switch and Glenn Taylor Jr. fought over the screen and stayed up on Flowers, he still hit a dagger 3 over very tough defense. Probably the best we defended a ball screen all night, and got the worst possible outcome.
And yet, we were in good chance to win if Davis hits a midrange jumper with less than a minute to go in regulation, a shot he's been money on over the last week. Just didn't go down. Why he decided to launch a 3 on the last possession of regulation is beyond me, as he had been able to get into the middle of the defense and score or distribute fairly effectively all night. I don't think calling a timeout would've helped, and letting Davis create something was the best option in that situation for me...he just didn't create anything good. Really painful loss. I wanted that one for the kids pretty badly, especially given how they played in the first half.
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Post by skyrider on Mar 1, 2022 10:12:27 GMT -8
I have not watched more than a few minutes of OSU men's basketball this season. Last night I had recorded the WSU game and turned on the recording to a point in the 2nd overtime with about 18 seconds to go and WSU behind by 1 point and at the free throw line for two shots. WSU player made the first shot and missed the second so the game was tied. There was a time out just prior to the WSU player taking the free throws.
OSU rebounded the missed free throw and their point guard dribbled down the floor, and with no screens, no passing, no cutting, simply dribbled around aimlessly for about 9 seconds then threw up an off balance shot that did not even get to the rim.
I am not criticizing the individual player here. My point is where in the h-- was the coaching! During the timeout previous to the free throws Tinkle should have had a set up play for (A) what to do if the WSU player made one free throw (B) What to do if the WSU player made two free throws and (C) What to do if the WSU player missed both free throws.
To me, this sequence in a nutshell, summarizes just how absolutely terrible this guy is a major college head coach!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 1, 2022 10:54:55 GMT -8
I have not watched more than a few minutes of OSU men's basketball this season. Last night I had recorded the WSU game and turned on the recording to a point in the 2nd overtime with about 18 seconds to go and WSU behind by 1 point and at the free throw line for two shots. WSU player made the first shot and missed the second so the game was tied. There was a time out just prior to the WSU player taking the free throws. OSU rebounded the missed free throw and their point guard dribbled down the floor, and with no screens, no passing, no cutting, simply dribbled around aimlessly for about 9 seconds then threw up an off balance shot that did not even get to the rim. I am not criticizing the individual player here. My point is where in the h-- was the coaching! During the timeout previous to the free throws Tinkle should have had a set up play for (A) what to do if the WSU player made one free throw (B) What to do if the WSU player made two free throws and (C) What to do if the WSU player missed both free throws. To me, this sequence in a nutshell, summarizes just how absolutely terrible this guy is a major college head coach! There was no 2nd OT. You are talking about the end of regulation. It's quite common not to call a TO in a live-ball situation (which it was after the second FT was missed). Many very smart basketball people feel there is a much better chance of getting a good shot or having a defensive breakdown in transition, instead of calling a TO and letting the defense set up. So no problem with no TO being called. THAT SAID, Davis should have driven to the hoop and dished, or taken it to the rack himself and hope for a basket or a foul. Instead we got a bad 3-point shot and no chance of a stickback. Davis had been effective driving all night, and should have done so in that situation. And that's on him. He has the ball and is dictating what happens in the final 10 seconds.
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Post by nabeav on Mar 1, 2022 11:12:59 GMT -8
Again, I'm almost positive that the plan was to let Davis create something on the last possession if we were tied or down one after the free throws. We got what we wanted, Davis just didn't make the right decision in that moment, after making all the right decisions a majority of the game. Ascribe it to coaching if you want, but sometimes it just comes down to players executing, and he didn't execute in that situation.
We've had shots in the last 10 seconds of games to win or tie at least 7 games this season. We converted one of those (Davis 3 to force OT vs. USC, which was then negated by missing a shot to tie at the end of the second OT). Most of these weren't hard shots either - Calloo missed a putback vs. Cal, Alatishe missed a sitter vs. UO.......
I mean I get that even if we won all those games we'd still be 10-17 or whatever and the season would still be a failure, but the point is that in most of those situations coaching wasn't to blame for not converting. We just missed shots. It's an historically awful season and coaching is definitely to blame, but not entirely.
Still saying next year is the "show me" year. Prove that this was a fluke, or we'll try something new.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 1, 2022 11:25:44 GMT -8
Again, I'm almost positive that the plan was to let Davis create something on the last possession if we were tied or down one after the free throws. We got what we wanted, Davis just didn't make the right decision in that moment, after making all the right decisions a majority of the game. Ascribe it to coaching if you want, but sometimes it just comes down to players executing, and he didn't execute in that situation. We've had shots in the last 10 seconds of games to win or tie at least 7 games this season. We converted one of those (Davis 3 to force OT vs. USC, which was then negated by missing a shot to tie at the end of the second OT). Most of these weren't hard shots either - Calloo missed a putback vs. Cal, Alatishe missed a sitter vs. UO....... I mean I get that even if we won all those games we'd still be 10-17 or whatever and the season would still be a failure, but the point is that in most of those situations coaching wasn't to blame for not converting. We just missed shots. It's an historically awful season and coaching is definitely to blame, but not entirely. Still saying next year is the "show me" year. Prove that this was a fluke, or we'll try something new. I'm curious as to what you mean by "show me" year. What does the record have to be for him to show you? In my opinion his overall record and pac12 record a few games short of 8 years should have shown you enough it definitely has me.
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Post by beaver94 on Mar 1, 2022 12:25:00 GMT -8
Again, I'm almost positive that the plan was to let Davis create something on the last possession if we were tied or down one after the free throws. We got what we wanted, Davis just didn't make the right decision in that moment, after making all the right decisions a majority of the game. Ascribe it to coaching if you want, but sometimes it just comes down to players executing, and he didn't execute in that situation. We've had shots in the last 10 seconds of games to win or tie at least 7 games this season. We converted one of those (Davis 3 to force OT vs. USC, which was then negated by missing a shot to tie at the end of the second OT). Most of these weren't hard shots either - Calloo missed a putback vs. Cal, Alatishe missed a sitter vs. UO....... I mean I get that even if we won all those games we'd still be 10-17 or whatever and the season would still be a failure, but the point is that in most of those situations coaching wasn't to blame for not converting. We just missed shots. It's an historically awful season and coaching is definitely to blame, but not entirely. Still saying next year is the "show me" year. Prove that this was a fluke, or we'll try something new. I'm curious as to what you mean by "show me" year. What does the record have to be for him to show you? In my opinion his overall record and pac12 record a few games short of 8 years should have shown you enough it definitely has me. I can't answer that for Nabeav, but I think we can expect Tinkle back for next year. Is there a record that he could have next year that would get any of you to change your mind on keeping him? Say he manages, by some miracle, to have a winning record and .500 in Pac-12 games. Does that dissuade you from having the program take on the financial burden of letting him go, or do you keep him for another year?
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 1, 2022 12:36:03 GMT -8
I'm curious as to what you mean by "show me" year. What does the record have to be for him to show you? In my opinion his overall record and pac12 record a few games short of 8 years should have shown you enough it definitely has me. I can't answer that for Nabeav, but I think we can expect Tinkle back for next year. Is there a record that he could have next year that would get any of you to change your mind on keeping him? Say he manages, by some miracle, to have a winning record and .500 in Pac-12 games. Does that dissuade you from having the program take on the financial burden of letting him go, or do you keep him for another year? "Get any of you to change your mind". Your comment tells me you are still with Tinkle. Frankly, bluntly if there was any way to arrange a buyout in three weeks then he needs to go now or three weeks from now. I don't care what he does next year. I've seen enough after 8 years. By the way Tinkle has had one winning pac12 season and two 500 seasons.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 1, 2022 13:09:54 GMT -8
I can't answer that for Nabeav, but I think we can expect Tinkle back for next year. Is there a record that he could have next year that would get any of you to change your mind on keeping him? Say he manages, by some miracle, to have a winning record and .500 in Pac-12 games. Does that dissuade you from having the program take on the financial burden of letting him go, or do you keep him for another year? "Get any of you to change your mind". Your comment tells me you are still with Tinkle. Frankly, bluntly if there was any way to arrange a buyout in three weeks then he needs to go now or three weeks from now. I don't care what he does next year. I've seen enough after 8 years. By the way Tinkle has had one winning pac12 season and two 500 seasons. So Tinkle has only had three .500 or better league records in his 8 year here. For the what have you done for me lately crowd that would only be 2 of the last 4 years. Total number of .500 or better league records since 1993....THREE. So tell us how hiring someone new is going to easily fix this.
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 1, 2022 13:23:13 GMT -8
"Get any of you to change your mind". Your comment tells me you are still with Tinkle. Frankly, bluntly if there was any way to arrange a buyout in three weeks then he needs to go now or three weeks from now. I don't care what he does next year. I've seen enough after 8 years. By the way Tinkle has had one winning pac12 season and two 500 seasons. So Tinkle has only had three .500 or better league records in his 8 year here. For the what have you done for me lately crowd that would only be 2 of the last 4 years. Total number of .500 or better league records since 1993....THREE. So tell us how hiring someone new is going to easily fix this. Really? That's your argument? So, using that terrific logic, after 8 seasons why did we hire WT? He has had (2) "Jay John type" teams, but one could be worse! We're back to the who in the heck could OSU possibly hire that's better!
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 1, 2022 13:25:22 GMT -8
"Get any of you to change your mind". Your comment tells me you are still with Tinkle. Frankly, bluntly if there was any way to arrange a buyout in three weeks then he needs to go now or three weeks from now. I don't care what he does next year. I've seen enough after 8 years. By the way Tinkle has had one winning pac12 season and two 500 seasons. So Tinkle has only had three .500 or better league records in his 8 year here. For the what have you done for me lately crowd that would only be 2 of the last 4 years. Total number of .500 or better league records since 1993....THREE. So tell us how hiring someone new is going to easily fix this. Hey I've seen what tinkle can do I am willing to give somebody else a shot. It might fail. It might be the best hire ever.
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