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Post by beavsteve on Feb 21, 2022 17:02:42 GMT -8
One thing I was seeing was that AJ was open streaking to the hoop a lot and no one was able to get her the ball. I’m hoping that we can take advantage of that more next year. Passing has been a weakness of this team for a long time… especially visible in our post passing; it really seems like we should be able to get the ball to our front-line players a lot better than we do. We should see some improvement in that Rueck has talked about Beers and Gardiner as being great passers; if Gardiner is playing at forward and on the perimeter, that could help a lot. I agree with AJ being very fast down the court. I'd like to see some plays in the system that look like what Stanford does. They have Jones inbound - VERY quickly - to Wilson who is speeding down the court and passes to one of the Hull twins for a good first look. It maybe takes 4 seconds. If AJ played the Hull twins in this scenario, she could feasible have a lot of quick good looks. She is fast down-court, but I was referring to her cuts to the hoop in the half-court offense. I think there are some real opportunities there if we get the right PG. Her athleticism is a lot like the Hull sisters at Stanford and is just what we need more of. |
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Post by jimbob on Feb 21, 2022 17:14:58 GMT -8
As far as PG for next year....beavsteve says "Noelle has the short-person problem and she’s not real quick, but I have to admit she played some very good defense on Curry. And, as Rueck alluded to after the game, she “plays smart” and gives it her all. That said, she isn’t a solution (except as a backup) and Rueck does need to add someone if Blacklock or Hansford can’t take over at the point. I don’t see Hansford doing it, but there is some chance that Blacklock can; she’s a very good passer and sees the court well, besides the fact that she is a 3pt threat (my concern is whether or not she is quick enough). Greta still seems to me like she could potentially play point, but I haven’t been impressed with her ball-handling (she’s lost the handle a number of times driving into the paint).".....I agree with all of the above and from what I've seen Blacklock is a solid player but not quick at all...and if she dosen't appear quick at the hi-school level what is she going to look like against Pac-12 competition? I'm thinking unless we get a good PG in the transfer portal then TVO will be our best option back at PG next year.
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Post by grayman on Feb 21, 2022 17:30:22 GMT -8
TVO as the best option still doesn't mean it's a good option...and that's no knock on TVO. If that was the big plan, then TVO would have been the main point guard this season. The fact that she hasn't been leads me to believe that Rueck is going to bring in at least one PG (I'm hoping for a couple)...we'll see.
He's obviously not going to change his offensive philosophy, but that doesn't mean he's adverse to bringing in "true" point guards. He's already done so with Adams.
IMO, if he tries to get along with moving shooting guards to point, it just won't work.
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 21, 2022 18:29:15 GMT -8
As far as PG for next year....beavsteve says "Noelle has the short-person problem and she’s not real quick, but I have to admit she played some very good defense on Curry. And, as Rueck alluded to after the game, she “plays smart” and gives it her all. That said, she isn’t a solution (except as a backup) and Rueck does need to add someone if Blacklock or Hansford can’t take over at the point. I don’t see Hansford doing it, but there is some chance that Blacklock can; she’s a very good passer and sees the court well, besides the fact that she is a 3pt threat (my concern is whether or not she is quick enough). Greta still seems to me like she could potentially play point, but I haven’t been impressed with her ball-handling (she’s lost the handle a number of times driving into the paint).".....I agree with all of the above and from what I've seen Blacklock is a solid player but not quick at all...and if she dosen't appear quick at the hi-school level what is she going to look like against Pac-12 competition? I'm thinking unless we get a good PG in the transfer portal then TVO will be our best option back at PG next year. Actually, Ionescu never looked real quick to me either. It seemed to me that she got by with deceptiveness in her movement, decent ball handling passing and shooting. Of course her tendency to spasm like she was fouled when a case might be made for a defender touching her might have given her a bit more space on defense too. We'll see... maybe Blacklock can find a way. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 21, 2022 19:12:41 GMT -8
Well, Ionescu's shooting and passing were excellent. But the real key to the success of the 2019-20 UO team was the level of talent surrounding her. Minyon Moore was the point guard and Ruthy Hebert and Satou Sabally were extremely athletic for frontcourt players. In fact, I say that Sabally was actually the best player on the team that year, not Sabrina. Sabally was an absolute nightmare matchup for teams..6-4 and could drive to the hoop like a guard. Very fast.
If Timea Gardiner is anything like her then the Beavers hit big.
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Post by sparty on Feb 21, 2022 19:59:04 GMT -8
This thread is going off the rails
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Post by grayman on Feb 21, 2022 20:10:57 GMT -8
At least we're wanting to talk OSU women's hoops..that's what is important on this board, right? And if your problem is the UO stuff, it's just done in reference to OSU's program.
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 21, 2022 20:12:21 GMT -8
I don't think Timea Gardiner is anything like Sabally in style of play, but I will agree that I thought Sabally was the best player on their team her senior year. Hopefully Gardiner will have as big an impact on the Beavs as Sabally did for her team.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 21, 2022 20:23:12 GMT -8
I don't think Timea Gardiner is anything like Sabally in style of play, but I will agree that I thought Sabally was the best player on their team her senior year. Hopefully Gardiner will have as big an impact on the Beavs as Sabally did for her team. I could be wrong but didn't Satou leave after her junior year? I think she was a year younger than the other two. I remember it because by leaving she didn't have the chance to play little sister. Nyra was there but injured. |
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Post by beav74 on Feb 21, 2022 20:32:10 GMT -8
True…Satu left after junior year. Sister was injured.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 21, 2022 21:38:12 GMT -8
Could someone explain to me why they are convinced that TVO is a bad PG? Yes, she needs to learn to break the double team. And no one else gets double teamed. It seems to me that other teams are aware that TVO is a huge part of the scoring when she is on the court, and they would prefer anyone else have the ball. So your solution to things is to do what other teams want, which is to not have the ball in TVO's hands?
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Post by grayman on Feb 21, 2022 22:30:46 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is saying she's a bad point guard, just that her skills and, yes, physical abilities are more suited to shooting guard. Again, she's not playing the point for specific reasons. Adams is a true point guard and clearly quicker than TVO. Codding is a decent ball handler who pushes the ball pretty well. TVO having to deal with double teams is a big part of it, but IMO she doesn't have enough quickness to just blow by people in the open court.
She gets the ball in her hands plenty when the Beavers get into their halfcourt offense and she's more effective in that scenario instead of fighting her way down the court, trying not to turn the ball over.
Do you think Rueck was wrong to go small and keep her on the bench for that significant stretch against Cal? OSU won the game largely because of that stretch. Obviously OSU needs to have her on the court most of the time in most games, but as a SG/Wing.
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Post by finleybandbeav on Feb 22, 2022 3:48:39 GMT -8
Remember a few games ago when TVO mentioned in the postgame interview how pleased she was to play off the ball? That's where she belongs, at least where her skills are currently - as a shooting guard. BTW, love those whip passes she makes - it seems like there's a highlight reel assist from her every game now. She obviously has a very strong upper body - some of those passes are absolute lasers.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 22, 2022 5:15:13 GMT -8
Could someone explain to me why they are convinced that TVO is a bad PG? Yes, she needs to learn to break the double team. And no one else gets double teamed. It seems to me that other teams are aware that TVO is a huge part of the scoring when she is on the court, and they would prefer anyone else have the ball. So your solution to things is to do what other teams want, which is to not have the ball in TVO's hands? TvO is #1 in the entire PAC-12 in Turnovers per game |
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Post by sparty on Feb 22, 2022 6:40:08 GMT -8
I don't think Timea Gardiner is anything like Sabally in style of play, but I will agree that I thought Sabally was the best player on their team her senior year. Hopefully Gardiner will have as big an impact on the Beavs as Sabally did for her team. Thread title: OFFICIAL Game Thread: OSU (12-10, 5-6) vs Cal (11-9, 1-7). Senior Day.
Maybe it is time to start a new thread?
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