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Post by ocbeav on Dec 14, 2021 21:15:13 GMT -8
I am done with him! Can’t even beat D2 teams. 8 years is long enough. Only 3 weeks great run last March that got him contract extension.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 14, 2021 21:40:02 GMT -8
Where are WTs backers? They sure were loud after three weeks of decent basketball nine months ago. Some of us saw the future others were giddy after those three weeks.
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Post by ee1990 on Dec 14, 2021 21:59:12 GMT -8
He should have been fired years ago. The people who propped him up are just as much to blame for 1-9.
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Post by bvrblvr on Dec 14, 2021 22:28:34 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone is calling Tinkle the equivalent of Mike Krzyzewski but if you compare his record in 7 years vs the (previous 24)
5 winning seasons (2)
2 NCAAs (0)
1 Elite 8 (0)
1 PAC 12 Tournament Title (0)
7-8 vs Oregon (15-38)
I think most Beaver fans would have settled for that and figured it was a successful hire when he got the job. Now I understand there are those out there that think finding the coach that is going to make us the next Gonzaga is super simple. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Richie McKay, Jay John, and Craig Robinson would probably beg to defer. He hasn’t been the greatest coach to ever grace the hardwood but he’s far from the worst. I’m sure if current trends continue those who want a new coach will get their wish and can immediately start shredding that poor soul for not winning 20+ games a year and making it to the Sweet 16 annually.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 14, 2021 22:34:43 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone is calling Tinkle the equivalent of Mike Krzyzewski but if you compare his record in 7 years vs the (previous 24) 5 winning seasons (2) 2 NCAAs (0) 1 Elite 8 (0) 1 PAC 12 Tournament Title (0) 7-8 vs Oregon (15-38) I think most Beaver fans would have settled for that and figured it was a successful hire when he got the job. Now I understand there are those out there that think finding the coach that is going to make us the next Gonzaga is super simple. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Richie McKay, Jay John, and Craig Robinson would probably beg to defer. He hasn’t been the greatest coach to ever grace the hardwood but he’s far from the worst. I’m sure if current trends continue those who want a new coach will get their wish and can immediately start shredding that poor soul for not winning 20+ games a year and making it to the Sweet 16 annually. He is 52 - 78 in pac12 play. That should be enough to get you canned. This is his 8th year the mess you see today is all on him. |
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 14, 2021 22:40:31 GMT -8
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Post by bvrblvr on Dec 14, 2021 22:53:01 GMT -8
Yep 52-78 is not great shakes. But its better than 131-315 (previous 24 years). My argument isn’t so much Tinkle is so great. It’s more we have 31 years of proof that OSU is either terrible at selecting basketball coaches or the job is way harder than any of us give it credit. At least I’ve witnessed Tinkle can be successful occasionally (whether you want to call it a lucky three week streak or not). I haven’t witnessed anyone else in the prior 31 years even do that Evidence leads me to believe we’ll probably hire someone worse, not better. But it’s not my decision to make.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 14, 2021 22:56:47 GMT -8
Amazing that we are going from having the most successful season in the past 30 years to potentially having one of the worst in program history in the span of 2 years.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 15, 2021 5:16:33 GMT -8
I am done with him! Can’t even beat D2 teams. 8 years is long enough. Only 3 weeks great run last March that got him contract extension. What DII team have they lost to? |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 15, 2021 8:14:16 GMT -8
This year’s team has accomplished the unthinkable for me — I don’t really care if or have the energy to argue for Tinkle being fired. And I’ve argued fairly often on here for his firing. Part of it is because with the contract situation it seems inevitable that he’ll be back, so why waste the energy. Part of it is because even though this season has been absolutely dismal, do I want Oregon State to be the school that gets rid of its coach a year after he took them to Elite Eight.
The rest of this year as well next year that I assume he’ll get will be very telling. The landscape of college basketball seems to be changing/have changed. Schools like OSU will be relying more and more on transfers. That means coaches will need to be able to bring new players together quickly. They’ll need to be able to teach their offensive and defensive schemes — or at least portions of them — fast enough to be competitive right out of the box. Can WT do that? Doesn’t appear so thus far this season. Is that on the players (and yes I know WT is the one that brought the players in so he bears some responsibility if it is) or is it on WT and the way he teaches, coaches and inspires?
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 15, 2021 8:16:10 GMT -8
This year’s team has accomplished the unthinkable for me — I don’t really care if or have the energy to argue for Tinkle being fired. And I’ve argued fairly often on here for his firing. Part of it is because with the contract situation it seems inevitable that he’ll be back, so why waste the energy. Part of it is because even though this season has been absolutely dismal, do I want Oregon State to be the school that gets rid of its coach a year after he took them to Elite Eight. The rest of this year as well next year that I assume he’ll get will be very telling. The landscape of college basketball seems to be changing/have changed. Schools like OSU will be relying more and more on transfers. That means coaches will need to be able to bring new players together quickly. They’ll need to be able to teach their offensive and defensive schemes — or at least portions of them — fast enough to be competitive right out of the box. Can WT do that? Doesn’t appear so thus far this season. Is that on the players (and yes I know WT is the one that brought the players in so he bears some responsibility if it is) or is it on WT and the way he teaches, coaches and inspires? This is very true. Altman down the road has historically had success with getting transfers to come together quickly, yet they are struggling this year. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 15, 2021 8:56:19 GMT -8
[/quote]This is very true. Altman down the road has historically had success with getting transfers to come together quickly, yet they are struggling this year.[/quote]
Yep, Altman’s teams definitely get better as year goes on, but still competitive early. This year not so much. Haven’t seen them play this year, so not sure what their problems are.
WT teams have had issues early on — not too many quality noncon wins — but at least for the most part took care of business against teams Beavs should beat. Not this year. Talent is certainly an issue. They might be longer and more athletic than past teams, but not more talented as basketball players. I like Davis and Rand. Both make some boneheaded plays (Rand more than Davis), but definitely both net positive players and have potential to be even more than that. I also like Malone-Key — not as a starter, but seems to bring some energy off the bench. And Taylor looks pretty raw, but could develop if sticks around. Kid gets to the line, which in my experience either means talent, hustle or both. I am not impressed by either of the other two transfer guards — especially from 3.
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Post by collegiate on Dec 15, 2021 9:26:05 GMT -8
I’m honestly perplexed and apparently need a better basketball mind to understand what is going on.
Things I believe are true of Tinkle’s Beavers (disclosure: I’ve not watched a good chunk of this year’s mess):
- They are often simply terrible early in the year
- One year they got suddenly better leaving December at about the same time a player left the team
- Prior to last year, we were very often playing with a huge deficit in athleticism
- Last year they got good (not just hot) late in the year
- Large number of transfers in this year was always going to be a challenge.
- The lone (and highly ranked) freshman is not getting a ton of playing time and is a risk to transfer out
- There’s no sign yet of this team turning it around
- The lack of an offensive game plan is not only no fun to watch, it’s also not one many recruits are going to want to play in.
Things I can’t figure out:
- why are we incapable of drawing up and executing a play to get Lucas an easy catch and shoot 3 coming off a screen like UCD did in crunch time?
- why are we incapable of defending an inbounds pass under the basket? (Again, see UCD crunch time with 2 seconds on the shot clock - but this was not the first time)
- how we can be so clueless on offense? No one seems to have any idea what to do as the ball enters the front court.
Hopefully, the coaching staff finds some answers so we can again enjoy watching at some point this year. Go Beavers! I’ll always root for you no matter what.
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Post by rgeorge on Dec 15, 2021 10:56:24 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone is calling Tinkle the equivalent of Mike Krzyzewski but if you compare his record in 7 years vs the (previous 24) 5 winning seasons (2) 2 NCAAs (0) 1 Elite 8 (0) 1 PAC 12 Tournament Title (0) 7-8 vs Oregon (15-38) I think most Beaver fans would have settled for that and figured it was a successful hire when he got the job. Now I understand there are those out there that think finding the coach that is going to make us the next Gonzaga is super simple. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Richie McKay, Jay John, and Craig Robinson would probably beg to defer. He hasn’t been the greatest coach to ever grace the hardwood but he’s far from the worst. I’m sure if current trends continue those who want a new coach will get their wish and can immediately start shredding that poor soul for not winning 20+ games a year and making it to the Sweet 16 annually. Was waiting for it... the last bastion of support is always the lowest bar possible! Support WT by comparing him to the past coaches. When no one has ever stated such a comparison as a reason to fire WT it's always the main reason to support him. Excuses after excuses. By March he could have two of the worst seasons in OSU hoops history on his resume. Maybe 30-35 games under .500 in league play. He has zero credibility in recruiting Pac12 level talent, especially the last 4-5 seasons. But, lets keep accepting mediocrity... at best! Funny, how some must see WT as OSU's best option moving forward. Like OSU and a Pac12 HCing job wouldn't attract lots of talented coaching possibilities. You wonder if these same folks had the same opinion on MR and football. We're they haters? Supporters? Afraid there was no way a equal or better coach that could possibly want the OSU job?? I mean isn't OSU WBB like the perfect example of finding a great coach at the most I likely level? Familiar to some who knew if GF, but certainly not on a regional, national level in terms of D1. MBB isn't at the level of where WBB was, but the point is that there are 100's of highly talented coaches out there. And luckily OSU is in an attractive conference. Folks want Pac12 jobs. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 15, 2021 11:09:00 GMT -8
I don’t think anyone is calling Tinkle the equivalent of Mike Krzyzewski but if you compare his record in 7 years vs the (previous 24) 5 winning seasons (2) 2 NCAAs (0) 1 Elite 8 (0) 1 PAC 12 Tournament Title (0) 7-8 vs Oregon (15-38) I think most Beaver fans would have settled for that and figured it was a successful hire when he got the job. Now I understand there are those out there that think finding the coach that is going to make us the next Gonzaga is super simple. Jimmy Anderson, Eddie Payne, Richie McKay, Jay John, and Craig Robinson would probably beg to defer. He hasn’t been the greatest coach to ever grace the hardwood but he’s far from the worst. I’m sure if current trends continue those who want a new coach will get their wish and can immediately start shredding that poor soul for not winning 20+ games a year and making it to the Sweet 16 annually. Was waiting for it... the last bastion of support is always the lowest bar possible! Support WT by comparing him to the past coaches. When no one has ever stated such a comparison as a reason to fire WT it's always the main reason to support him. Excuses after excuses. By March he could have two of the worst seasons in OSU hoops history on his resume. Maybe 30-35 games under .500 in league play. He has zero credibility in recruiting Pac12 level talent, especially the last 4-5 seasons. But, lets keep accepting mediocrity... at best! Funny, how some must see WT as OSU's best option moving forward. Like OSU and a Pac12 HCing job wouldn't attract lots of talented coaching possibilities. You wonder if these same folks had the same opinion on MR and football. We're they haters? Supporters? Afraid there was no way a equal or better coach that could possibly want the OSU job?? I mean isn't OSU WBB like the perfect example of finding a great coach at the most I likely level? Familiar to some who knew if GF, but certainly not on a regional, national level in terms of D1. MBB isn't at the level of where WBB was, but the point is that there are 100's of highly talented coaches out there. And luckily OSU is in an attractive conference. Folks want Pac12 jobs. I refuse to accept your accepting mediocrity post. I don't think anyone is "accepting" anything. Just saying that they're not going to fire a coach when he made an elite 8 run last year......so you're wasting your breath asking for it. They're outright bad this year.........there's no one here "accepting" that. |
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