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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 15, 2021 21:58:10 GMT -8
Reichle moving on might be a bigger factor than a lot of people realize. Effort can be contagious and I personally think he was a lot better defensive player than some seem to believe. He might not have received a lot of minutes playing time some games, but he was a leader in many ways. If a coach can actually recruit and keep players around 4-5 seasons there's a greater chance they become an integral part of the program on and off the court. Leadership, mentoring younger/newer players to the system/league/school, and being ready to contribute whenever their # is called. WT just depended on the portal too heavily, and could not bring in HS players to any significant degree to bolster transfers. I do not think he's a great teacher of the game, especially in terms of making the complex seem simple. If players are around 2-3 years they begin to not only learn the system, but his personality and temperament. Trying to bring in 5-7 newbies and losing the only veteran leaders was a time bomb waiting to happen. He bit off more than he could chew and the lack of success recruiting HS players has caught up. Unless he catches lightning in a bottle with his next group of transfers, he's 2-3 recruiting classes of HS players away from developing any system players that have the leadership and acumen needed for a solid Pac12 team. But, some seem to gloss over the fact that even many of the portal kids are true projects in their own right. They were not key players at their previous stops. Kids who can run and jump are all over the place. True D1 talent with hoops IQ that just needs playing time to develop is a bit harder to come by. OSU has a lot of the former. For several years now I've had an argument with another poster, who was banned, twice, under different identities, about the fact that during Wayne's third year he had 0 players, except the largely injured N'Diaye, left by the previous coach and that poster maintained it didn't matter that Tinkle had only had 2 recruiting classes because he could have brought outsiders in to fill the void. With the exception that you are saying it takes several good recruiting classes of high school kids to develop a system and leadership (something I've maintained for years), your posts, attitude and writing style generally mirrors those of that particular poster. I and many others assume you are that same poster using yet another identity, if not you have my apologies for jumping to assumptions... if so, you are changing your tune to fit your argument. I do agree that Wayne has had a severe lack of success in recruiting high school kids as of the last couple of years and it very well could be his downfall. I don't have any illusions of post season play this season, the math doesn't work for me, but I still hope they can pull off improvement over the course of the season. Improvement looks unlikely for now, but considering people were calling for Tinkle's head in February of this year and they somehow they managed to make the Elite 8, perform fairly well in the loss, and during the season beat 2 teams that ended up in the Final Four - you just never know. I'd feel better about next year if this year's team somehow manages 6 wins or more in league play, and will be disappointed if they don't, but he's probably going to get a reprieve this year because of last. In the meanwhile... instead of focusing on the negative I'll look for positives this season... on the whole it seemed to me that it was much more pleasant on this board when the twice kicked off poster was banished. Right now things aren't looking good for the program, and if that continues I'd expect a change, possibly after the season but I'd think not likely because of last year, but focusing on the negative during the season helps nothing. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 16, 2021 8:01:48 GMT -8
If a coach can actually recruit and keep players around 4-5 seasons there's a greater chance they become an integral part of the program on and off the court. Leadership, mentoring younger/newer players to the system/league/school, and being ready to contribute whenever their # is called. WT just depended on the portal too heavily, and could not bring in HS players to any significant degree to bolster transfers. I do not think he's a great teacher of the game, especially in terms of making the complex seem simple. If players are around 2-3 years they begin to not only learn the system, but his personality and temperament. Trying to bring in 5-7 newbies and losing the only veteran leaders was a time bomb waiting to happen. He bit off more than he could chew and the lack of success recruiting HS players has caught up. Unless he catches lightning in a bottle with his next group of transfers, he's 2-3 recruiting classes of HS players away from developing any system players that have the leadership and acumen needed for a solid Pac12 team. But, some seem to gloss over the fact that even many of the portal kids are true projects in their own right. They were not key players at their previous stops. Kids who can run and jump are all over the place. True D1 talent with hoops IQ that just needs playing time to develop is a bit harder to come by. OSU has a lot of the former. For several years now I've had an argument with another poster, who was banned, twice, under different identities, about the fact that during Wayne's third year he had 0 players, except the largely injured N'Diaye, left by the previous coach and that poster maintained it didn't matter that Tinkle had only had 2 recruiting classes because he could have brought outsiders in to fill the void. With the exception that you are saying it takes several good recruiting classes of high school kids to develop a system and leadership (something I've maintained for years), your posts, attitude and writing style generally mirrors those of that particular poster. I and many others assume you are that same poster using yet another identity, if not you have my apologies for jumping to assumptions... if so, you are changing your tune to fit your argument. I do agree that Wayne has had a severe lack of success in recruiting high school kids as of the last couple of years and it very well could be his downfall. I don't have any illusions of post season play this season, the math doesn't work for me, but I still hope they can pull off improvement over the course of the season. Improvement looks unlikely for now, but considering people were calling for Tinkle's head in February of this year and they somehow they managed to make the Elite 8, perform fairly well in the loss, and during the season beat 2 teams that ended up in the Final Four - you just never know. I'd feel better about next year if this year's team somehow manages 6 wins or more in league play, and will be disappointed if they don't, but he's probably going to get a reprieve this year because of last. In the meanwhile... instead of focusing on the negative I'll look for positives this season... on the whole it seemed to me that it was much more pleasant on this board when the twice kicked off poster was banished. Right now things aren't looking good for the program, and if that continues I'd expect a change, possibly after the season but I'd think not likely because of last year, but focusing on the negative during the season helps nothing. He's the same dude, AKA baseball1111 and scuba steve. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 16, 2021 8:18:23 GMT -8
For several years now I've had an argument with another poster, who was banned, twice, under different identities, about the fact that during Wayne's third year he had 0 players, except the largely injured N'Diaye, left by the previous coach and that poster maintained it didn't matter that Tinkle had only had 2 recruiting classes because he could have brought outsiders in to fill the void. With the exception that you are saying it takes several good recruiting classes of high school kids to develop a system and leadership (something I've maintained for years), your posts, attitude and writing style generally mirrors those of that particular poster. I and many others assume you are that same poster using yet another identity, if not you have my apologies for jumping to assumptions... if so, you are changing your tune to fit your argument. I do agree that Wayne has had a severe lack of success in recruiting high school kids as of the last couple of years and it very well could be his downfall. I don't have any illusions of post season play this season, the math doesn't work for me, but I still hope they can pull off improvement over the course of the season. Improvement looks unlikely for now, but considering people were calling for Tinkle's head in February of this year and they somehow they managed to make the Elite 8, perform fairly well in the loss, and during the season beat 2 teams that ended up in the Final Four - you just never know. I'd feel better about next year if this year's team somehow manages 6 wins or more in league play, and will be disappointed if they don't, but he's probably going to get a reprieve this year because of last. In the meanwhile... instead of focusing on the negative I'll look for positives this season... on the whole it seemed to me that it was much more pleasant on this board when the twice kicked off poster was banished. Right now things aren't looking good for the program, and if that continues I'd expect a change, possibly after the season but I'd think not likely because of last year, but focusing on the negative during the season helps nothing. He's the same dude, AKA baseball1111 and scuba steve.  |
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Post by irimi on Dec 16, 2021 8:35:51 GMT -8
There is absolutely no reason Wayne Tinke should have been extended out to six years for 6 game run. That is on Barnes. Totally wrong. And now after one decent football season he extends Smith out to 6 years. Whatever happened to coaches getting 4 years for recruiting purposes? Pay raises yes but 6 years is insane when they can leave for a very small buyout but we are stuck paying a terrible basketball coach for the next 6 years. And why we are talking about Barnes why is You say that like it was any six games. Shame! I don’t have the answers about Tinkle, but I won’t deny the man credit for what the team accomplished last year. It was nothing short of miraculous. Now we need consistency, and that’s extremely hard in sports. (Except the losing kind….) |
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Post by Ruh Roh Beav on Dec 16, 2021 13:38:06 GMT -8
I for one have liked what rgeorge brings to the discussion.....yeah I’ve butted heads with him but he makes a lot of valid points.....we each have our right to voice our opinions on this board and the back & forth mantra that goes with it. That’s basically what this board provides....a means for beaver fans to express their thoughts,,, likes,,, and dislikes about whatever sport they want to chime in on. Not sure what caused Baseball1111 to get banned but the banter he provided made for some good reads. The hoops team fell off a cliff this year....didn’t expect it after how we finished last year....it’s at the point that the players have given up.
So from my standpoint of looking forward to watching the hoops team give their all to seeing how they are playing now has been pretty abysmal to say the least....I’ll still hope that they can somehow get out of the free fall but I don’t it will happen.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 16, 2021 16:28:43 GMT -8
More than anything I am simply perplexed.
Perplexed that the coach that got his guys to give Oregon State essentially a historic post season run, and the best season in many decades is the same coach, one year later to be authoring arguable our worst season ever.
While I don't want to underestimate the loss of Ethan and Reichle... he has 3 of 5 starters back, not to mention significant bench contributors from 2020. Lucas, Calloo and Alatishe were major components of our run.
I am certainly not a basketball X and O pro... but I like I said, I don't get it. I am at a loss and can only point to the head honcho as to where the problem lies. Other posters have noted a lack of drive, energy, hustle etc... that lives with the coach. Maybe these guys thought they were hot s%#t... got punched in the mouth early now simply haven't, or can't mentally recover.
I don't know. All I do know is it doesn't make sense. We are BAD. and we really shouldn't be.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Dec 16, 2021 17:09:28 GMT -8
More than anything I am simply perplexed. Perplexed that the coach that got his guys to give Oregon State essentially a historic post season run, and the best season in many decades is the same coach, one year later to be authoring arguable our worst season ever. While I don't want to underestimate the loss of Ethan and Reichle... he has 3 of 5 starters back, not to mention significant bench contributors from 2020. Lucas, Calloo and Alatishe were major components of our run. I am certainly not a basketball X and O pro... but I like I said, I don't get it. I am at a loss and can only point to the head honcho as to where the problem lies. Other posters have noted a lack of drive, energy, hustle etc... that lives with the coach. Maybe these guys thought they were hot s%#t... got punched in the mouth early now simply haven't, or can't mentally recover. I don't know. All I do know is it doesn't make sense. We are BAD. and we really shouldn't be. Yeah I’m just as confused. As someone who has watched them since 1980 as a kid, I’ve never seen such an inexplicable terrible season. Previous bad seasons never started this bad and we knew why they stunk. I think he needs to coach to their style and strengths. And he hasn’t. Hard pressing man to man D since our bigger guys are now longer and quicker (Rand and Alitishe). Silva hardly plays anyway. We have fast PG’s like Davis and Hunt. No one but Lucas can make a 3, so stop it already w the slow methodical gruesome half court crap show offense please. We are actually not bad in transition and when the game speeds up. But that stand around and watch the ball slow half court offense has got to go. |
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 16, 2021 18:47:30 GMT -8
More than anything I am simply perplexed. Perplexed that the coach that got his guys to give Oregon State essentially a historic post season run, and the best season in many decades is the same coach, one year later to be authoring arguable our worst season ever. While I don't want to underestimate the loss of Ethan and Reichle... he has 3 of 5 starters back, not to mention significant bench contributors from 2020. Lucas, Calloo and Alatishe were major components of our run. I am certainly not a basketball X and O pro... but I like I said, I don't get it. I am at a loss and can only point to the head honcho as to where the problem lies. Other posters have noted a lack of drive, energy, hustle etc... that lives with the coach. Maybe these guys thought they were hot s%#t... got punched in the mouth early now simply haven't, or can't mentally recover. I don't know. All I do know is it doesn't make sense. We are BAD. and we really shouldn't be. I thought the early season struggles in the exhibition and then against ISU/Tulsa/PSU were just going to be a result of being overconfident and on a high/hangover from the elite 8 run. I figured after that 0 fer road trip that they would get it together and thump the Princetons and Samfords left on our schedule. That obviously didn't come to pass. Then I saw some good things in our 2nd half against Wake Forest and figured they had started to figure it out, well it would seem we've gone the opposite direction since then as our closest game since that one was a 7 point loss to UC Davis.
I'm perplexed as well. This doesn't make a lot of sense to see them fall off THIS hard. I rewatched the extended highlights from some of the NCAA tournament games and was once again just incredibly impressed with how much GREAT team basketball we played in that stretch. It wasn't just hot shooting or a couple bounces going our way, we ran Tennessee out of the gym and controlled the 2nd round and S16 games from start to finish as well. I expected some early season struggles and a bit of a regression to the mean, but not like this.
There was time to figure it out and save the season early on as some of our opponents have turned out much better than originally thought (see #10 and 10-0 Iowa State... losing by 10 in their place wouldn't seem bad at all if that's where the losing skid ended), now that time has completely run out for any sort of postseason berth. It's disheartening, and hopefully the guys show some pride and string together some wins the rest of the way, otherwise there may need to be serious questions being asked about this staff and what changes need to be made. Obviously given WT's recent extension he'll be here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a shake-up amongst assistants in the Spring.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 16, 2021 20:42:55 GMT -8
More than anything I am simply perplexed. Perplexed that the coach that got his guys to give Oregon State essentially a historic post season run, and the best season in many decades is the same coach, one year later to be authoring arguable our worst season ever. While I don't want to underestimate the loss of Ethan and Reichle... he has 3 of 5 starters back, not to mention significant bench contributors from 2020. Lucas, Calloo and Alatishe were major components of our run. I am certainly not a basketball X and O pro... but I like I said, I don't get it. I am at a loss and can only point to the head honcho as to where the problem lies. Other posters have noted a lack of drive, energy, hustle etc... that lives with the coach. Maybe these guys thought they were hot s%#t... got punched in the mouth early now simply haven't, or can't mentally recover. I don't know. All I do know is it doesn't make sense. We are BAD. and we really shouldn't be. I thought the early season struggles in the exhibition and then against ISU/Tulsa/PSU were just going to be a result of being overconfident and on a high/hangover from the elite 8 run. I figured after that 0 fer road trip that they would get it together and thump the Princetons and Samfords left on our schedule. That obviously didn't come to pass. Then I saw some good things in our 2nd half against Wake Forest and figured they had started to figure it out, well it would seem we've gone the opposite direction since then as our closest game since that one was a 7 point loss to UC Davis.
I'm perplexed as well. This doesn't make a lot of sense to see them fall off THIS hard. I rewatched the extended highlights from some of the NCAA tournament games and was once again just incredibly impressed with how much GREAT team basketball we played in that stretch. It wasn't just hot shooting or a couple bounces going our way, we ran Tennessee out of the gym and controlled the 2nd round and S16 games from start to finish as well. I expected some early season struggles and a bit of a regression to the mean, but not like this.
There was time to figure it out and save the season early on as some of our opponents have turned out much better than originally thought (see #10 and 10-0 Iowa State... losing by 10 in their place wouldn't seem bad at all if that's where the losing skid ended), now that time has completely run out for any sort of postseason berth. It's disheartening, and hopefully the guys show some pride and string together some wins the rest of the way, otherwise there may need to be serious questions being asked about this staff and what changes need to be made. Obviously given WT's recent extension he'll be here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a shake-up amongst assistants in the Spring.
An OT loss to WF isnt too shabby either, they are 10-1. Sanford is not a bad team either, as their two losses are to pretty good teams (USF is ranked at this point). So those efforts did seem like they would play out to similar efforts beating the much inferior teams in the schedule, but instead they’ve just played down to worse losses. It’s become a massive monkey on their backs mentally for them to even dig out of - they are obviously capable of being a decent team, they just simply aren’t getting it done. |
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Post by ag87 on Dec 16, 2021 20:46:44 GMT -8
More than anything I am simply perplexed. Perplexed that the coach that got his guys to give Oregon State essentially a historic post season run, and the best season in many decades is the same coach, one year later to be authoring arguable our worst season ever. While I don't want to underestimate the loss of Ethan and Reichle... he has 3 of 5 starters back, not to mention significant bench contributors from 2020. Lucas, Calloo and Alatishe were major components of our run. I am certainly not a basketball X and O pro... but I like I said, I don't get it. I am at a loss and can only point to the head honcho as to where the problem lies. Other posters have noted a lack of drive, energy, hustle etc... that lives with the coach. Maybe these guys thought they were hot s%#t... got punched in the mouth early now simply haven't, or can't mentally recover. I don't know. All I do know is it doesn't make sense. We are BAD. and we really shouldn't be. Yeah I’m just as confused. As someone who has watched them since 1980 as a kid, I’ve never seen such an inexplicable terrible season. Previous bad seasons never started this bad and we knew why they stunk. I think he needs to coach to their style and strengths. And he hasn’t. Hard pressing man to man D since our bigger guys are now longer and quicker (Rand and Alitishe). Silva hardly plays anyway. We have fast PG’s like Davis and Hunt. No one but Lucas can make a 3, so stop it already w the slow methodical gruesome half court crap show offense please. We are actually not bad in transition and when the game speeds up. But that stand around and watch the ball slow half court offense has got to go. I don't know what it is but there is more wrong than just the loss of Thompson and Reichle. I don't think it's the coaching staff unless they are afraid or too shocked to see it. But teams don't get 25 points worse over the off season when they return 3 starters and have a few highly touted guys coming in to replace them. I've watched the grand sum of about two halfs on TV so I don't have any ideas what is going on. But there are different factions or something that is deeply dividing for this team to lose to Samford, UCDavis, Princeton, Tulsa and barely beating Portland State. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 16, 2021 21:52:27 GMT -8
Does everyone realize that WTs record into the 8th year is 114 - 118 overall and 52 - 78 in Pac 12 play? This last march while it was exciting doesn't paint a true picture. We have 4 players FOUR that were recruited as true freshmen. That my friends is beyond poor recruiting. There are five seniors that will leave at the end of the year and likely a few transferring out. So next year it will be another round of trying to grab several somebodies from some distant schools to try and form a team. It's one thing to get one or two transfers to fill holes its another where a vast majority of the players are transfers. It isn't a way to build a team. All caused by poor high school recruiting.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 16, 2021 22:36:00 GMT -8
I thought the early season struggles in the exhibition and then against ISU/Tulsa/PSU were just going to be a result of being overconfident and on a high/hangover from the elite 8 run. I figured after that 0 fer road trip that they would get it together and thump the Princetons and Samfords left on our schedule. That obviously didn't come to pass. Then I saw some good things in our 2nd half against Wake Forest and figured they had started to figure it out, well it would seem we've gone the opposite direction since then as our closest game since that one was a 7 point loss to UC Davis.
I'm perplexed as well. This doesn't make a lot of sense to see them fall off THIS hard. I rewatched the extended highlights from some of the NCAA tournament games and was once again just incredibly impressed with how much GREAT team basketball we played in that stretch. It wasn't just hot shooting or a couple bounces going our way, we ran Tennessee out of the gym and controlled the 2nd round and S16 games from start to finish as well. I expected some early season struggles and a bit of a regression to the mean, but not like this.
There was time to figure it out and save the season early on as some of our opponents have turned out much better than originally thought (see #10 and 10-0 Iowa State... losing by 10 in their place wouldn't seem bad at all if that's where the losing skid ended), now that time has completely run out for any sort of postseason berth. It's disheartening, and hopefully the guys show some pride and string together some wins the rest of the way, otherwise there may need to be serious questions being asked about this staff and what changes need to be made. Obviously given WT's recent extension he'll be here, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a shake-up amongst assistants in the Spring. An OT loss to WF isnt too shabby either, they are 10-1. Sanford is not a bad team either, as their two losses are to pretty good teams (USF is ranked at this point). So those efforts did seem like they would play out to similar efforts beating the much inferior teams in the schedule, but instead they’ve just played down to worse losses. It’s become a massive monkey on their backs mentally for them to even dig out of - they are obviously capable of being a decent team, they just simply aren’t getting it done.
Arizona and Iowa State are each 10-0.
Wake Forest is 10-1, only loss to LSU (#3 NET) in Destin.
Samford is 5-2, only losses to undefeated San Francisco (#10 NET) and Belmont (#14 NET).
Princeton is 8-3, only losses to Minnesota (#11 NET) in 2OT, @ Monmouth (#32 NET) and @ Hofstra.
California and Tulsa are each 6-5.
California started 0-2. Since, the Bears have only lost to Florida (#60 NET) and Seton Hall (#23 NET) in Fort Myers and @ Utah (#67 NET).
Three of Tulsa's losses were to Utah (#67 NET) in Daytona Beach, @ Boise State (#72 NET) and 7-2 Air Force. Plus Oregon State lost to Tulsa in Tulsa.
Penn State is 5-5.
Penn State's last four losses are to: LSU (#3 NET) in Destin in OT, 8-3 Miami, 8-2 Ohio State (#18 NET) and @ 9-2 Michigan State (#12 NET).
UC Davis has had some terrible games but also has that upset in Logan against Utah State (#32 NET). If you catch them at their best, UC Davis can get you.
Portland State is trash in comparison, and Oregon State won.
The Beavers should be better than 1-9, but going 1-9 against that schedule a terrible team does not make.
The nine losses were nine difficult games. And A&M might be fourth on the foregoing list. So, I am not expecting a turnaround, but I still have faith in Tinkle to eventually turn it around. If not this season, then next. He probably ain't going anywhere, anyway.
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Post by beaversrock on Dec 16, 2021 23:53:26 GMT -8
8th year is 114 - 118 overall and 52 - 78 in Pac 12 play. History speaks for itself. Why continue to make excuses for a sub 500 coach? Your right he will be back next year because an athletic director made a decision that may get him fired and extended him like he is a good coach and recruiter. He is neither.
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Post by alwaysorange on Dec 17, 2021 7:31:55 GMT -8
Well at least one is saying that the 1 - 9 record is justified because of the schedule. After watching a few games I thought It was because the "team" has no offensive scheme, an inability to defend, a lack of rebounding will, and a gift at not taking care of the ball. But then that might be just me.
Just curious into the 8th year is there a reason that this team couldn't have been one of the better teams or are we supposed to be cannon fodder for others?
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 17, 2021 7:39:43 GMT -8
An OT loss to WF isnt too shabby either, they are 10-1. Sanford is not a bad team either, as their two losses are to pretty good teams (USF is ranked at this point). So those efforts did seem like they would play out to similar efforts beating the much inferior teams in the schedule, but instead they’ve just played down to worse losses. It’s become a massive monkey on their backs mentally for them to even dig out of - they are obviously capable of being a decent team, they just simply aren’t getting it done.
Arizona and Iowa State are each 10-0.
Wake Forest is 10-1, only loss to LSU (#3 NET) in Destin.
Samford is 5-2, only losses to undefeated San Francisco (#10 NET) and Belmont (#14 NET).
Princeton is 8-3, only losses to Minnesota (#11 NET) in 2OT, @ Monmouth (#32 NET) and @ Hofstra.
California and Tulsa are each 6-5.
California started 0-2. Since, the Bears have only lost to Florida (#60 NET) and Seton Hall (#23 NET) in Fort Myers and @ Utah (#67 NET).
Three of Tulsa's losses were to Utah (#67 NET) in Daytona Beach, @ Boise State (#72 NET) and 7-2 Air Force. Plus Oregon State lost to Tulsa in Tulsa.
Penn State is 5-5.
Penn State's last four losses are to: LSU (#3 NET) in Destin in OT, 8-3 Miami, 8-2 Ohio State (#18 NET) and @ 9-2 Michigan State (#12 NET).
UC Davis has had some terrible games but also has that upset in Logan against Utah State (#32 NET). If you catch them at their best, UC Davis can get you.
Portland State is trash in comparison, and Oregon State won.
The Beavers should be better than 1-9, but going 1-9 against that schedule a terrible team does not make.
The nine losses were nine difficult games. And A&M might be fourth on the foregoing list. So, I am not expecting a turnaround, but I still have faith in Tinkle to eventually turn it around. If not this season, then next. He probably ain't going anywhere, anyway.
First, one of your main arguments seems to be that many of the teams OSU lost to have lost to good teams. Losing to a good team does not in turn make that team good. If it did than with losses to the #1 and #17 teams in NET, Oregon State would be a very good team. I also notice that you’ve cited the NET rankings for many of the Beavs opponents and opponents’ opponents. Strangely, I see no mention of the Beavers NET ranking. Why? Maybe because it is currently 275. I’m sure you’re very familiar with the four teams directly in front of the Beavers in the NET — Bellarmine, Bryant, UT-Arlington and UT- Martin. No? How about the 3 teams directly below — Tarleton State, NJIT and Sacred Heart? I’ll save people the effort of looking up NJIT like I had to. It is the New Jersey institute of Technology. If seeing Oregon State sandwiched between those 7 schools in a basketball ranking doesn’t make you sick, I don’t know what to tell you. But for me it isn’t just the results, but how the team has gotten there. They have no identity nor leader. One can point to having to integrate all the new players, but that shouldn’t preclude showing hustle, grit and toughness. I think one stat from the UC-Davis game sums up the season so far very well. Beavs were out scored 40-26 in the paint. That should not happen against UC-Davis. But then again, maybe I’m living in the past. After all UC-Davis is 112 spots higher in the NET than Beavs. Maybe that stat isn’t that surprising. |
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