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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 26, 2021 6:13:47 GMT -8
Old, white yuppie? I thought it was a cow town? Honestly, its become more and more liberal over the years.....so maybe if ur an old, white meadow muffin it's for you? Da fuq is a meadow muffin? Think Subaru covered in stickers.....favorite band Phish....that help?
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 26, 2021 7:12:50 GMT -8
Watching the condensed replay right now.
A few thoughts...
We actually got decent pressure on their QB at times. And the D made plays when needed. The two GL stands were awesome!
Baylor really made some great moves to finish runs. He continues to be really impressive.
Bradford was all over the place. And it was nice to see Harrison and Lindsey involved.
Nolan dropped a few dimes, and overall was pretty dam good. That fumble though.....he's gotta chuck that into the first row, as I'm sure he heard from the coaches!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 26, 2021 9:53:12 GMT -8
If there is better money somewhere else, I am not sure Corvallis is holding anyone in place.
That's pretty much true of any city in the country, hardly unique to Corvallis. People leave NYC, LA, Seattle, etc., all the time for other opportunities.
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Post by korculabeav on Oct 26, 2021 10:15:26 GMT -8
We need to look forward now to Cal. The Utah win was incredible but party is over.
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 26, 2021 11:17:44 GMT -8
We need to look forward now to Cal. The Utah win was incredible but party is over. The team has been looking forward to Cal since Sunday morning. Us fans can multi-task without any effect, negative or otherwise, on the outcome.
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Post by irimi on Oct 26, 2021 13:07:16 GMT -8
It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. This is likely what happened with our friend Mediocre Mike two or three times. As much as Jonathan Smith may love Corvallis and OSU, he has to do what's right for him and his family, and a few more years of success and he will be approached by bigger and better opportunities. Who wouldn't want him? We've seen that OSU is a difficult place for producing a winning team, but he has shown that he can win without top recruits. That's good coaching.
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Post by irimi on Oct 26, 2021 13:14:47 GMT -8
I'm taking you out of consideration as spokesperson for the Best College Town in the Pac 12. This is VERY attractive characteristic to many people: Corvallis is much, much cheaper than Seattle area, Bay area, and So Cal...probably cheaper than Boulder and Tempe. Close to the ocean and mountains. Online shopping from EVERY retail brand is available. It is an attractive quality. and also one held by many other places. I am not trying to slander Corvallis per se, I am trying to be big picture. Is Corvallis REALLY what you are going to hang your hat on if you can't pay a market rate? Come on buddy. Hell no. Yes, Corvallis is nice and if money were equal it could be a factor. If there is better money somewhere else, I am not sure Corvallis is holding anyone in place. I don't know much, but Pat Casey thought it was a special place. Surely, he had offers to jump ship and take his winning ways elsewhere. I don't know what Casey was paid and whether that was in line with the other coaches, but it shows that not all coaches feel a drive to make more money or work at a different place, especially after building a successful program. The thing about Corvallis is that it isn't football crazy, like in other places. We don't even fill a stadium. So I think that can give a young coach a fair amount of leeway, unlike places where they are always scrutinizing every little move. It could be more comfortable for some coaches, less stressful. Certainly, I would like to Smith's contract enhanced as he continues to find success. He should earn the same as other coaches, or have the incentives in place so that he can. But I think it's hard for a program to pay top dollar after some dismal years. The revenue has to come in first.
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Post by irimi on Oct 26, 2021 13:16:29 GMT -8
. Who wouldn't want him? We've seen that OSU is a difficult place for producing a winning team, but he has shown that he can win without top recruits. That's good coaching. he has? So far this year yes, but overall...not yet.. Fair point. But we've all seen this coming, if you've been paying attention. Last year, we were on the cusp of many victories, just to fall short at the end. This is the process that we were supposed to trust. I'm starting to trust again. LOL
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 26, 2021 13:45:36 GMT -8
It is an attractive quality. and also one held by many other places. I am not trying to slander Corvallis per se, I am trying to be big picture. Is Corvallis REALLY what you are going to hang your hat on if you can't pay a market rate? Come on buddy. Hell no. Yes, Corvallis is nice and if money were equal it could be a factor. If there is better money somewhere else, I am not sure Corvallis is holding anyone in place. I don't know much, but Pat Casey thought it was a special place. Surely, he had offers to jump ship and take his winning ways elsewhere. I don't know what Casey was paid and whether that was in line with the other coaches, but it shows that not all coaches feel a drive to make more money or work at a different place, especially after building a successful program. The thing about Corvallis is that it isn't football crazy, like in other places. We don't even fill a stadium. So I think that can give a young coach a fair amount of leeway, unlike places where they are always scrutinizing every little move. It could be more comfortable for some coaches, less stressful. Certainly, I would like to Smith's contract enhanced as he continues to find success. He should earn the same as other coaches, or have the incentives in place so that he can. But I think it's hard for a program to pay top dollar after some dismal years. The revenue has to come in first. We made Casey the top paid coach in the Pac-12 and among the top in the nation. He was earning upwards of $800K a year towards the end, he last contract signed was a six year, $5.5 million deal. As of today, 2021, only 9 coaches in the nation top $1million a year. We paid the man. Casey does like Corvallis and made a home here, but we was legitimately interested in other jobs and OSU HAD to match money. Casey did not stay just because of Corvallis. He stayed because we matched what Texas offered to get him. again, not trying to slander Corvallis... trying to be real. If we have a coach we like we are stupid to think Corvallis is good enough reason to underpay them to save money.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 26, 2021 13:47:16 GMT -8
I don't know much, but Pat Casey thought it was a special place. Surely, he had offers to jump ship and take his winning ways elsewhere. I don't know what Casey was paid and whether that was in line with the other coaches, but it shows that not all coaches feel a drive to make more money or work at a different place, especially after building a successful program. The thing about Corvallis is that it isn't football crazy, like in other places. We don't even fill a stadium. So I think that can give a young coach a fair amount of leeway, unlike places where they are always scrutinizing every little move. It could be more comfortable for some coaches, less stressful. Certainly, I would like to Smith's contract enhanced as he continues to find success. He should earn the same as other coaches, or have the incentives in place so that he can. But I think it's hard for a program to pay top dollar after some dismal years. The revenue has to come in first. We made Casey the top paid coach in the Pac-12 and among the top in the nation. He was earning upwards of $800K a year towards the end, he last contract signed was a six year, $5.5 million deal. As of today, 2021, only 9 coaches in the nation top $1million a year. We paid the man. Casey does like Corvallis and made a home here, but we was legitimately interested in other jobs and OSU HAD to match money. Casey did not stay just because of Corvallis. He stayed because we matched what Texas offered to get him. again, not trying to slander Corvallis... trying to be real. If we have a coach we like we are stupid to think Corvallis is good enough reason to underpay them to save money. Casey also had other factors that kept him here. Jon was a big part of him not leaving.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Oct 26, 2021 14:12:35 GMT -8
We made Casey the top paid coach in the Pac-12 and among the top in the nation. He was earning upwards of $800K a year towards the end, he last contract signed was a six year, $5.5 million deal. As of today, 2021, only 9 coaches in the nation top $1million a year. We paid the man. Casey does like Corvallis and made a home here, but we was legitimately interested in other jobs and OSU HAD to match money. Casey did not stay just because of Corvallis. He stayed because we matched what Texas offered to get him. again, not trying to slander Corvallis... trying to be real. If we have a coach we like we are stupid to think Corvallis is good enough reason to underpay them to save money. Casey also had other factors that kept him here. Jon was a big part of him not leaving. Yep, and all the $$$ in the world probably wouldn't change that. PC was/is 1st class! Go Beavs!!
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Post by irimi on Oct 26, 2021 14:31:05 GMT -8
I don't know much, but Pat Casey thought it was a special place. Surely, he had offers to jump ship and take his winning ways elsewhere. I don't know what Casey was paid and whether that was in line with the other coaches, but it shows that not all coaches feel a drive to make more money or work at a different place, especially after building a successful program. The thing about Corvallis is that it isn't football crazy, like in other places. We don't even fill a stadium. So I think that can give a young coach a fair amount of leeway, unlike places where they are always scrutinizing every little move. It could be more comfortable for some coaches, less stressful. Certainly, I would like to Smith's contract enhanced as he continues to find success. He should earn the same as other coaches, or have the incentives in place so that he can. But I think it's hard for a program to pay top dollar after some dismal years. The revenue has to come in first. We made Casey the top paid coach in the Pac-12 and among the top in the nation. He was earning upwards of $800K a year towards the end, he last contract signed was a six year, $5.5 million deal. As of today, 2021, only 9 coaches in the nation top $1million a year. We paid the man. Casey does like Corvallis and made a home here, but we was legitimately interested in other jobs and OSU HAD to match money. Casey did not stay just because of Corvallis. He stayed because we matched what Texas offered to get him. again, not trying to slander Corvallis... trying to be real. If we have a coach we like we are stupid to think Corvallis is good enough reason to underpay them to save money. And I have no problem with paying him well, especially if he takes us to the winning ways that the baseball team enjoyed. With that sort of success, few people will complain about ticket prices and the games will sellout. Like baseball. Do that to football, and it will be really special.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 26, 2021 16:05:27 GMT -8
I don't know much, but Pat Casey thought it was a special place. Surely, he had offers to jump ship and take his winning ways elsewhere. I don't know what Casey was paid and whether that was in line with the other coaches, but it shows that not all coaches feel a drive to make more money or work at a different place, especially after building a successful program. The thing about Corvallis is that it isn't football crazy, like in other places. We don't even fill a stadium. So I think that can give a young coach a fair amount of leeway, unlike places where they are always scrutinizing every little move. It could be more comfortable for some coaches, less stressful. Certainly, I would like to Smith's contract enhanced as he continues to find success. He should earn the same as other coaches, or have the incentives in place so that he can. But I think it's hard for a program to pay top dollar after some dismal years. The revenue has to come in first. We made Casey the top paid coach in the Pac-12 and among the top in the nation. He was earning upwards of $800K a year towards the end, he last contract signed was a six year, $5.5 million deal. As of today, 2021, only 9 coaches in the nation top $1million a year. We paid the man. Casey does like Corvallis and made a home here, but we was legitimately interested in other jobs and OSU HAD to match money. Casey did not stay just because of Corvallis. He stayed because we matched what Texas offered to get him. again, not trying to slander Corvallis... trying to be real. If we have a coach we like we are stupid to think Corvallis is good enough reason to underpay them to save money. Not really valid points. First, no one said Corvallis was "good enough" to "under pay". Second, PC was very low paid (compared to the last contract) for most of his career and stayed. And, OSU upped his salary, but it didn't "match" the one that I'm most aware. MR was basically the same as far as being under paid. He has stated numerous times his first move was a mistake. The 2nd wasn't about chasing more money. MR was out the door and Nebraska happen to be the one offering. There are numerous examples of quality D1 coaches in multiple sports that don't run for the money. Cost of living, community, safety, familiarity, the chance for building and sustaining a legacy are more important to some than others. Not every coach wants the hype, pressure of fanatical boosters, and microscope of certain high paying big time programs. Coaches come in all types at every level and some achieve success and happiness without chasing the $$. If a coach at OSU is in the "stepping stone" phase, and has great success at here, OSU will never be able to match big salaries. Ever. If Jonathan has sustained success, he and assistants should be compensated in a way OSU can sustain fiscal responsibility. But, OSU's never paying at the top tier of Pac12 salaries. As of now our salaries are very commensurate with the level of experience and success.
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