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Post by orangeattack on Oct 25, 2021 7:05:55 GMT -8
Is underperforming mean they score less? You do know teams don't have common opponents and some OCs have faced better overall defenses that OSU? But, top of head, no particular order I'd take these guys anytime; Ludwig/Utah (although he was bad tonight) Moorhead/Oregon Harrell/SC Hill/ASU Three are also considered outstanding recruiters. We’ve already beat 50% of those coordinators this season, might be all of them by season’s end. If Our OC didn’t have a thing to do with it, the wins must be because of our DC I guess. Boy, Ludwig is an especially questionable call. He’s been a chronic underachiever with loads of talent at many of the stops on his resume… and there have been a lot of them. He’s well-traveled to say the least
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 25, 2021 10:03:38 GMT -8
So who are the 5-6 offensive coordinators who are better in the conference, who are underperforming enough to all have production worse than what Lindgren has? Is underperforming mean they score less? You do know teams don't have common opponents and some OCs have faced better overall defenses that OSU? But, top of head, no particular order I'd take these guys anytime; Ludwig/Utah (although he was bad tonight) Moorhead/Oregon Harrell/SC Hill/ASU Three are also considered outstanding recruiters. As others heave pointed out, there is a difference in perceived talent of the jimmies and the joes. What do those 4 you've named make$$$ vs our guy? I sure hope BL gets some more $ otherwise he could be moving to another school. Oh, and if he gets more chicken(to quote one Marshawn Lynch) he better give a potion to Jim Michalczik.(This is the guy I don't want to se going ANYWHERE)
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 25, 2021 11:36:07 GMT -8
Is underperforming mean they score less? You do know teams don't have common opponents and some OCs have faced better overall defenses that OSU? But, top of head, no particular order I'd take these guys anytime; Ludwig/Utah (although he was bad tonight) Moorhead/Oregon Harrell/SC Hill/ASU Three are also considered outstanding recruiters. As others heave pointed out, there is a difference in perceived talent of the jimmies and the joes. What do those 4 you've named make$$$ vs our guy? I sure hope BL gets some more $ otherwise he could be moving to another school. Oh, and if he gets more chicken(to quote one Marshawn Lynch) he better give a potion to Jim Michalczik.(This is the guy I don't want to se going ANYWHERE) It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons.
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 25, 2021 11:51:13 GMT -8
As others heave pointed out, there is a difference in perceived talent of the jimmies and the joes. What do those 4 you've named make$$$ vs our guy? I sure hope BL gets some more $ otherwise he could be moving to another school. Oh, and if he gets more chicken(to quote one Marshawn Lynch) he better give a potion to Jim Michalczik.(This is the guy I don't want to se going ANYWHERE) It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special.
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Post by beavaristotle on Oct 25, 2021 12:10:56 GMT -8
It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. ya, I work for a company like that and they are blind to it. Koolaid drinkers
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 25, 2021 12:41:58 GMT -8
It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. That 700k Lindgren is making is 86th in assistant coach pay nationally and 11th in the league according to this. There are some assistant coaches making 2.5 million a year, 27 (mostly in other leagues, somehow the Pac 12 is on the low side) are making over a million a year. Corvallis is a great place, and while it's not the most expensive place in the US to live, it's higher than average as far as cost of living goes. I'm not sure that money would be the single thing that would move a coach away, but a huge raise would be tempting if you weren't overly attached to where you are. I'm more worried about "opportunity", it could be a huge raise, but I'm thinking his odds of being looked at as a potential head coach if the Beavs win 7 games or more goes up with every additional victory this season. There are over a hundred schools that are currently paying their head coaches more than he's getting right now, and a chunk of them will be looking for new head coaches at the end of the season. The real question is whether or not Lindgren wants to be "the" guy that runs a program. At 41 he's at a ripe age to make that move, even if it's a sideways move pay-wise to go to a smaller school. I'd like him to stick around a few more years, but I almost expect him to be gone to a better opportunity, whether it be as a highly paid coordinator or a newly minted head coach, if the team has continued success.
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 25, 2021 12:48:57 GMT -8
As others heave pointed out, there is a difference in perceived talent of the jimmies and the joes. What do those 4 you've named make$$$ vs our guy? I sure hope BL gets some more $ otherwise he could be moving to another school. Oh, and if he gets more chicken(to quote one Marshawn Lynch) he better give a potion to Jim Michalczik.(This is the guy I don't want to se going ANYWHERE) It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. If I understand what you are saying. Your expectation is our staff (individual or otherwise) perform in the top---what exactly---in the conference? 10%, 50%, what? And base the performance on what? Team record, recruiting rankings, your opinion on proper offense/defense play calling? I'm curious because I don't think like what you seem to be saying. Then, you don't care where their compensation ranks vs those same peers. It takes a pretty unique person to give up compensation for "a unique/special place". I truly hope JS is one of those people.(In fairness, making millions of dollars and leaving some $ on the table for the "right"---read Corvallis/OSU---in a Head Coaching position may be more tolerable than coordinators/position coaches) ***I looked it up Ludwig $900,000 2020 salary (took a COVID haircut) Moore signed a $1,150,000/yr in May 2021 Harrell reported to be $1,200,000/yr starting in 2019. Who know where he will be with the HC changing Hill $600,000. Is ASU more "unique and special" than OSU? I don't know And it isn't just the other PAC-12 schools you have to compete with. It is other schools' HC positions. Or the SEC coordinator positions. I like Corvallis too, but I'm not taking $700,000 to live there if I can make $1,200,000-$2,000,000 somewhere else.
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Post by shelby on Oct 25, 2021 13:08:14 GMT -8
Job security in this field , for assistant coaches , is tied to the head coach ! The head coach leaves and you may end up following him to another school( or not ). Additionally , the move ( if offer is extended ), may not be the coach’s ideal destination. If you are named an interim , that also carries some real ‘iffy’ possibilities . I was relocated several times during my career . I was able to evaluate every aspect of the move and, therefore, was able to make informed and timely decisions . If I was in the coaching field, I would look at - 1) Program track record 2) current coaching situation 3) Location 4) Salary 5) Term of Contract and terms of contract 5) Housing 6) Schooling for children 7) Responsibilities and travel 8) Local tax situation and benefits 9) Bonus guidelines 10) Relocation costs covered and grossed up
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 25, 2021 14:18:40 GMT -8
It can be tough to nail down exact assistant salaries with bonuses and extensions happening all the time, But I know BL and Tibs just received raises for 2021. BL is at $700k for 2020 and 2021, a $200k bump from 2019. That's a hefty raise considering this offensive production had not happened. Tibs received a $50k bump from 2019 to $625k. I've really never cared where salaries "rank" a coach, OSU/Corvallis is a unique/special place and coaches typically want to "climb the ladder". None of our coaches are underpaid considering where the program and AD financing currently stands. If any one assistant coach is a must keep until he retires it is JM... he received $25k bumps for 2020 and 2021 to top out at $475k in '21. Of the (10) on-the-field coaches all received $25-50k bumps for each of 2020 and 2021. OSU invested $675k more in assistant coaching salaries over the 2019 salaries for the 2021 season, with BL almost 33% of that. I'm assuming another round of bumps will come for the 2022-2023 seasons. Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now!
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 25, 2021 15:40:40 GMT -8
Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now! I'm taking you out of consideration as spokesperson for the Best College Town in the Pac 12. This is VERY attractive characteristic to many people: Corvallis is much, much cheaper than Seattle area, Bay area, and So Cal...probably cheaper than Boulder and Tempe. Close to the ocean and mountains. Online shopping from EVERY retail brand is available.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 25, 2021 16:52:46 GMT -8
Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now! I'm taking you out of consideration as spokesperson for the Best College Town in the Pac 12. This is VERY attractive characteristic to many people: Corvallis is much, much cheaper than Seattle area, Bay area, and So Cal...probably cheaper than Boulder and Tempe. Close to the ocean and mountains. Online shopping from EVERY retail brand is available. Plus, all these comparisons to "other" workplace opportunities are really apples to top sirloin. The coaching profession isn't like the corporate world in any capacity. CEOs come and go, the rest of the corporate structure typically remains solid. Plus... OSU is NEVER, EVER going to match the upper tier coaching salaries. Not nationally, not in the Pac12. If people think OSU can match $3-4 mil/yr for a head coach they are crazy. Nor $1mil+ for assistant coaches. Will not happen. You have to find the right fit, where $ and life style match the coaches and family. It's really not that hard of concept.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 25, 2021 19:16:53 GMT -8
Just got back from camping on the lower Deschutes. We were fishing till dark on Saturday, but were able to find the game on AM radio midway thru the 3rd.....wow! That was awesome!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Oct 25, 2021 20:19:29 GMT -8
Guess what happens at companies when employees are relatively underpaid vs their market value and the company tries to sell them that working there has 'unique' benefits and therefore doesn't need to be competitive on salary? They leave, especially when better offers come knocking. Sorry, but Corvallis ain't that special. Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now! Old, white yuppie? I thought it was a cow town? Honestly, its become more and more liberal over the years.....so maybe if ur an old, white meadow muffin it's for you?
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 25, 2021 20:46:13 GMT -8
Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now! Old, white yuppie? I thought it was a cow town? Honestly, its become more and more liberal over the years.....so maybe if ur an old, white meadow muffin it's for you? Da fuq is a meadow muffin?
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 25, 2021 21:21:17 GMT -8
Yeah, one would need to be pretty delusional to think Corvallis is an attraction that can justify lower pay. It is a nice little town. So are dozens of other college towns. But in reality it has next to no activities, very little art, museum or history. Pretty limited foodie scene, zero night life, zero amenities of a larger city. It doesn't have a mall or a major shopping center. It has only a small municipal airport near by. It is a nice quiet place to raise a family, if you are into that sort of thing. pretty close to the beach, some nice places to hike. a couple small hippie coffee shops and a pleasant little downtown. That is about all she wrote. If you an older white yuppie, Corvallis is for you! largely because it has been run by old white yuppies for 40 years now! I'm taking you out of consideration as spokesperson for the Best College Town in the Pac 12. This is VERY attractive characteristic to many people: Corvallis is much, much cheaper than Seattle area, Bay area, and So Cal...probably cheaper than Boulder and Tempe. Close to the ocean and mountains. Online shopping from EVERY retail brand is available. It is an attractive quality. and also one held by many other places. I am not trying to slander Corvallis per se, I am trying to be big picture. Is Corvallis REALLY what you are going to hang your hat on if you can't pay a market rate? Come on buddy. Hell no. Yes, Corvallis is nice and if money were equal it could be a factor. If there is better money somewhere else, I am not sure Corvallis is holding anyone in place.
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