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Post by Bodhisattva on Oct 23, 2021 20:33:02 GMT -8
If Nolan ever figures it out and quits the stupid plays, he can be a great PAC-12 qb. He throws some incredible passes followed by bonehead plays or terrible throws. Real Jeckel/Hyde. I think he does eventually pull it together and is awesome, but he requires some more seasoning.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 23, 2021 20:36:09 GMT -8
Utah QB pass yards per game? 7.4 The much maligned Chance Nolan? 10.9
Both teams had 41 rushes. Utah ypc: 4.6 Beavers ypc: 6.3
Sounds like great offense and good defense to me.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 23, 2021 20:42:28 GMT -8
If Nolan ever figures it out and quits the stupid plays, he can be a great PAC-12 qb. He throws some incredible passes followed by bonehead plays or terrible throws. Real Jeckel/Hyde. I think he does eventually pull it together and is awesome, but he requires some more seasoning. I dunno...he completed 74% of his passes even with another ridiculous drop...2 TDs zero pics Not sure what you want him to figure out
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Post by Mike84 on Oct 23, 2021 20:56:13 GMT -8
I haven't gone back and looked through this thread. Not sure I would want to. I'm sure it got pretty bleak at times, to put it mildly. Sometimes I think we'd all be better off if we were more like casual fans. We wouldn't need to analyze trends and matchups and pontificate on why the Beavers have no chance to win or why the Beavers are solely to blame for a loss or why a win really wasn't all that great. We could just go into each week thinking the Beavers might win (which is true) and rejoice when they win (which we do) and get over the losses in an hour (which we most certainly don't). There would be no need to show just how much we are *not* homers by finding an OSU coach or scheme or decision or player to blame for anything that goes wrong.
On the other hand, I've never regretted living and dying with the Beavers for the past 40 years (23 as a season ticket holder). The bad times are painful but the good times are as good as it gets!
I had no hope for a Beaver win today. Even more hopeless than I was going into the USC game. LOL.
What a great, great, great win! Then again, if the second half of the WSU game showed irrefutably that the Beaver defense is putrid, does the second half of this game show that the Utah defense is putrid? I kind of lean toward giving the OSU (and WSU) offense credit.
Go Beavs!
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Post by bvrfans5 on Oct 23, 2021 21:04:34 GMT -8
If Nolan ever figures it out and quits the stupid plays, he can be a great PAC-12 qb. He throws some incredible passes followed by bonehead plays or terrible throws. Real Jeckel/Hyde. I think he does eventually pull it together and is awesome, but he requires some more seasoning. I dunno...he completed 74% of his passes even with another ridiculous drop...2 TDs zero pics Not sure what you want him to figure out He had 42 yards passing in the first half and two fumbles. That competed 10 quarters of poor QB play. The guy that played in the 10 jersey in the 2nd half was a completely different guy and the one we need the next 5 weeks.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 23, 2021 21:08:10 GMT -8
I'm shocked we were able to defeat the best-coached team, with the best coaches, in the Pac-12, especially with two coordinators who rank in either the bottom half (O) or bottom third (D) of the Pac-12. I guess you just never know.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2021 21:41:17 GMT -8
Ugly game. Not nearly as loud as UW but I'll take the win! Beautiful game to me. All’s well that ends well! Best game of the season! "Best" doesn't always mean stats or great execution. This game was more than that. Better than that. This game was what programs build rock solid foundations on. Adversity from outside sources overcome. Adversity of poor play and self inflicted "wounds" overcome. Physical play that did lead to some penalties, but OSU stayed physical. Emotion was mostly under control and focused and lasted 60 minutes. And, nearly as good as the win, was that it happened in a house full of recruits!
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Post by beaverbeliever on Oct 23, 2021 22:00:48 GMT -8
All I know is having watched the end of Illinois-Purdue, high scoring PAC-12 offense is much better football than that Big-10 crap.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2021 22:03:58 GMT -8
I'm shocked we were able to defeat the best-coached team, with the best coaches, in the Pac-12, especially with two coordinators who rank in either the bottom half (O) or bottom third (D) of the Pac-12. I guess you just never know. Although dripping with elementary level sarcasm. No one here said they'd be shocked, it wasn't possible, Utah was unbeatable. You play the game because anything is possible. To keep it simple, it was stated earlier, one team was trending up, one trending down severely. Coming off a bye there were tons of unknowns. Realistic rationale existed to doubt this win, which doesn't equate to not wanting OSU to win or think it's possible. As for the coordinators: -the D gave up 34, could have easily been 51. I'll give the players credit for stopping 5-6 plays from the 2 yd line on two separate occasions. But, with almost 100% certainty I'll say if Utah runs the ball vs throwing the ball 5 times they score. The D was misaligned, running players off and on late, players were confused on several plays, not to mention several killer penalties. All on the DC? It's his D, credit and blame falls there. And, in my opinion he's in the bottom tier in Pac12 DCs and it really matches his resume. As like tonight it seems to take 35+ to have a chance to win. That's just not sustainable. - Lindgren, again in my opinion, is middle of the pack in the Pac12. I'd name at least 4 better OCs (maybe 1-2 others that I think are more consistent) , but it makes no difference as it's opinion. My basis is plain erratic, sometimes seemingly random play calling. Example, tonight we ran a range of formations and players on fly sweeps. A more vulnerable run D at WSU, I'm not sure if there was more than one. Gash teams for 7-8 yards on 1st, throw PA screen to short side to put yourself in a must make 3rd and 3. Some gutsy calls, too many head scratchers vs defenses OSU is handling with the run. So, after OSU goes "bowling" if there were openings I'm pretty sure neither guy gets hired away by a team better than OSU. But, if I'm wrong feel free to snark away.
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Post by beaver94 on Oct 23, 2021 22:24:40 GMT -8
I'm shocked we were able to defeat the best-coached team, with the best coaches, in the Pac-12, especially with two coordinators who rank in either the bottom half (O) or bottom third (D) of the Pac-12. I guess you just never know. Although dripping with elementary level sarcasm. No one here said they'd be shocked, it wasn't possible, Utah was unbeatable. You play the game because anything is possible. To keep it simple, it was stated earlier, one team was trending up, one trending down severely. Coming off a bye there were tons of unknowns. Realistic rationale existed to doubt this win, which doesn't equate to not wanting OSU to win or think it's possible. As for the coordinators: -the D gave up 34, could have easily been 51. I'll give the players credit for stopping 5-6 plays from the 2 yd line on two separate occasions. But, with almost 100% certainty I'll say if Utah runs the ball vs throwing the ball 5 times they score. The D was misaligned, running players off and on late, players were confused on several plays, not to mention several killer penalties. All on the DC? It's his D, credit and blame falls there. And, in my opinion he's in the bottom tier in Pac12 DCs and it really matches his resume. As like tonight it seems to take 35+ to have a chance to win. That's just not sustainable. - Tibs, again in my opinion, is middle of the pack in the Pac12. I'd name at least 4 better OCs (maybe 1-2 others that I think are more consistent) , but it makes no difference as it's opinion. My basis is plain erratic, sometimes seemingly random play calling. Example, tonight we ran a range of formations and players on fly sweeps. A more vulnerable run D at WSU, I'm not sure if there was more than one. Gash teams for 7-8 yards on 1st, throw PA screen to short side to put yourself in a must make 3rd and 3. Some gutsy calls, too many head scratchers vs defenses OSU is handling with the run. So, after OSU goes "bowling" if there were openings I'm pretty sure neither guy gets hired away by a team better than OSU. But, if I'm wrong feel free to snark away. It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 23, 2021 22:30:31 GMT -8
Although dripping with elementary level sarcasm. No one here said they'd be shocked, it wasn't possible, Utah was unbeatable. You play the game because anything is possible. To keep it simple, it was stated earlier, one team was trending up, one trending down severely. Coming off a bye there were tons of unknowns. Realistic rationale existed to doubt this win, which doesn't equate to not wanting OSU to win or think it's possible. As for the coordinators: -the D gave up 34, could have easily been 51. I'll give the players credit for stopping 5-6 plays from the 2 yd line on two separate occasions. But, with almost 100% certainty I'll say if Utah runs the ball vs throwing the ball 5 times they score. The D was misaligned, running players off and on late, players were confused on several plays, not to mention several killer penalties. All on the DC? It's his D, credit and blame falls there. And, in my opinion he's in the bottom tier in Pac12 DCs and it really matches his resume. As like tonight it seems to take 35+ to have a chance to win. That's just not sustainable. - Tibs, again in my opinion, is middle of the pack in the Pac12. I'd name at least 4 better OCs (maybe 1-2 others that I think are more consistent) , but it makes no difference as it's opinion. My basis is plain erratic, sometimes seemingly random play calling. Example, tonight we ran a range of formations and players on fly sweeps. A more vulnerable run D at WSU, I'm not sure if there was more than one. Gash teams for 7-8 yards on 1st, throw PA screen to short side to put yourself in a must make 3rd and 3. Some gutsy calls, too many head scratchers vs defenses OSU is handling with the run. So, after OSU goes "bowling" if there were openings I'm pretty sure neither guy gets hired away by a team better than OSU. But, if I'm wrong feel free to snark away. It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉 Yep - guess all that confusion also leads one to think the top scoring team in the conference has a middling OC. You’d be hard pressed to find any non-OSU fan who thinks this lowly of BL.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2021 22:34:42 GMT -8
Although dripping with elementary level sarcasm. No one here said they'd be shocked, it wasn't possible, Utah was unbeatable. You play the game because anything is possible. To keep it simple, it was stated earlier, one team was trending up, one trending down severely. Coming off a bye there were tons of unknowns. Realistic rationale existed to doubt this win, which doesn't equate to not wanting OSU to win or think it's possible. As for the coordinators: -the D gave up 34, could have easily been 51. I'll give the players credit for stopping 5-6 plays from the 2 yd line on two separate occasions. But, with almost 100% certainty I'll say if Utah runs the ball vs throwing the ball 5 times they score. The D was misaligned, running players off and on late, players were confused on several plays, not to mention several killer penalties. All on the DC? It's his D, credit and blame falls there. And, in my opinion he's in the bottom tier in Pac12 DCs and it really matches his resume. As like tonight it seems to take 35+ to have a chance to win. That's just not sustainable. - Tibs, again in my opinion, is middle of the pack in the Pac12. I'd name at least 4 better OCs (maybe 1-2 others that I think are more consistent) , but it makes no difference as it's opinion. My basis is plain erratic, sometimes seemingly random play calling. Example, tonight we ran a range of formations and players on fly sweeps. A more vulnerable run D at WSU, I'm not sure if there was more than one. Gash teams for 7-8 yards on 1st, throw PA screen to short side to put yourself in a must make 3rd and 3. Some gutsy calls, too many head scratchers vs defenses OSU is handling with the run. So, after OSU goes "bowling" if there were openings I'm pretty sure neither guy gets hired away by a team better than OSU. But, if I'm wrong feel free to snark away. It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉 Good catch...
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 23, 2021 22:38:45 GMT -8
It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉 Yep - guess all that confusion also leads one to think the top scoring team in the conference has a middling OC. You’d be hard pressed to find any non-OSU fan who thinks this lowly of BL. really confused how you can find 4 better OCs, than the OC for the top scoring team in the Pac-12, that has topped 40 points in half their games. Any issues we have had on offense are almost singularly due to sketchy QB play number one, and a little bit of sketchy WR play. Everything else has basically been top notch. We are then #8 rushing offense in the nation.
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Post by beaver1989 on Oct 23, 2021 22:42:20 GMT -8
It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉 Yep - guess all that confusion also leads one to think the top scoring team in the conference has a middling OC. You’d be hard pressed to find any non-OSU fan who thinks this lowly of BL. rgeorge has some interesting perspectives. I agree with some of them. He kind of reminds of a guy that "marched to a different drummer" named baseball1111.
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 23, 2021 22:50:22 GMT -8
It’s just my opinion, but I could name 12 OC’s better than Tibs in the PAC-12.😉 Yep - guess all that confusion also leads one to think the top scoring team in the conference has a middling OC. You’d be hard pressed to find any non-OSU fan who thinks this lowly of BL. I think you'd be hard pressed to find non-OSU fans who know who a Brian Lindgren is? Maybe true Pac12 football fans. But, without looking them up, not many fans here can name half the Pac12 OCs. You counter none of my points with anything other than we score a lot. Ok, but so far I've not seen a ton of great defense being played in the Pac12, add to that 87 points vs two non-P5 teams. I'll stick with BL being very inconsistent and being middle tier at this time. But, as I stated in a far earlier post, coordinators don't need to be fired (as in Tibs) but may need to go "back to school" to learn some new tricks. Sometimes that schooling needs to be forcefully suggested. Again... message board opinion. But, OSU isn't in danger of either being hired away. At least not by a superior program.
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