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Post by irimi on Jun 11, 2021 19:43:28 GMT -8
Sure. Gotcha. You assume I am white. Why? You assume that wetrodentia is brown. Why? As for wetrodentia's experience, I am open to it and I believe when he tells his story. I can disagree with his conclusion that seeing everyone as American is a practical solution. To be honest, I’m trying to parse the dialogue between the two of you I misread something wetrodentia wrote. As for you, you spoke of your family’s discrimination due to their skin being “yellow” and that you experienced it by extension. So I made the assumption you’re white since you didn’t mention any personal discrimination due to your skin color. If that was a poor assumption then allow me to apologize. Still, had I been correct in my assumptions, the scenario is how CRT says to view all interactions between race. As the question is never did racism occur, but how did racism manifest? So racism is always present. And if we extend that to Critical Theory in general, oppression is always present in interactions between those with different identities on the hegemonic power scale. I find it all to be anti-intellectual. Grouping people into categories that are largely uncontrolled by themselves like race, sex, sexual identity, etc, is incredibly simplistic. Does that mean that oppression has never occurred throughout history? Obviously not. But the desire to look for oppression in every interaction is not healthy to a functioning society. It’s clear we disagree on some things. And, I’m ok with that. There’s always room for disagreement in dialogue. However, I’ve lost friends because they said there was no room for such disagreement. I hope one day reconciliation will be found with all Americans. Unfortunately, terms like MAGA and CRT lead to the divisiveness they are intended to create. It’s all very sad to me. But on the same note, the desire to turn a blind eye to oppression throughout history is what this country has been doing for generations. Look at Tulsa. Look at the NFL and race norming. Really? It’s 2021 and the NFL has been paying black athletes less because being black means they start at a lower cognitive level than their white counterparts? How does it help the black athlete to say, “hey, you’re American, not black?” I agree that in an ideal world we wouldn’t need to talk about race or gender. That’s the goal. But how can we get there as long as people don’t recognize how ingrained racism is? I remember back in the 80s when Jimmy the Greek got fired from his commentary position for his racist comments about Blacks. That was a victory, right? And I remember when Doug Williams with the Redskins was the first Black QB in the Super Bowl, at a time when the prevailing thinking was the Black football players were not smart enough to be quarterbacks. And he won the game. Now we see a lot of Black quarterbacks. But still the NFL has this policy?! My son is in med school and he sees frequent examples of this in the lectures. One recent one was Melanoma. It has a 94% survival rate for white people but a 70% survival rate for Blacks. Of course, all of the photos in the lecture and text were of white people. Why? Wouldn’t it be at least equally important to see how it looks on Black people for identification purposes since their survival rate is much lower? Intentional or unintentional omissions or assumptions. They’ve got to be brought to light and rectified. Then we can move forward. For me, that’s what CRT does and that is why I think it is worthwhile. But like every theory, are there those who push it too far? Perhaps. But you can’t judge the theory by the outliers, right? At least someone here told me that about Catholic priests. LOL |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 11, 2021 19:43:46 GMT -8
Sure. Gotcha. You assume I am white. Why? You assume that wetrodentia is brown. Why? As for wetrodentia's experience, I am open to it and I believe when he tells his story. I can disagree with his conclusion that seeing everyone as American is a practical solution. To be honest, I’m trying to parse the dialogue between the two of you I misread something wetrodentia wrote. As for you, you spoke of your family’s discrimination due to their skin being “yellow” and that you experienced it by extension. So I made the assumption you’re white since you didn’t mention any personal discrimination due to your skin color. If that was a poor assumption then allow me to apologize. Still, had I been correct in my assumptions, the scenario is how CRT says to view all interactions between race. As the question is never did racism occur, but how did racism manifest? So racism is always present. And if we extend that to Critical Theory in general, oppression is always present in interactions between those with different identities on the hegemonic power scale. I find it all to be anti-intellectual. Grouping people into categories that are largely uncontrolled by themselves like race, sex, sexual identity, etc, is incredibly simplistic. Does that mean that oppression has never occurred throughout history? Obviously not. But the desire to look for oppression in every interaction is not healthy to a functioning society. It’s clear we disagree on some things. And, I’m ok with that. There’s always room for disagreement in dialogue. However, I’ve lost friends because they said there was no room for such disagreement. I hope one day reconciliation will be found with all Americans. Unfortunately, terms like MAGA and CRT lead to the divisiveness they are intended to create. It’s all very sad to me. Thank you beavermd. You are more eloquent than I am. Your point that we should be able to question this rationale is important. It feels like there is no room for it in this climate. It's so easy to label folks....and I guess thats kind of the point. The big picture here is, by pushing forward with this agenda you are creating more divide.....it is not the way forward, imo. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 11, 2021 20:03:14 GMT -8
To be honest, I’m trying to parse the dialogue between the two of you I misread something wetrodentia wrote. As for you, you spoke of your family’s discrimination due to their skin being “yellow” and that you experienced it by extension. So I made the assumption you’re white since you didn’t mention any personal discrimination due to your skin color. If that was a poor assumption then allow me to apologize. Still, had I been correct in my assumptions, the scenario is how CRT says to view all interactions between race. As the question is never did racism occur, but how did racism manifest? So racism is always present. And if we extend that to Critical Theory in general, oppression is always present in interactions between those with different identities on the hegemonic power scale. I find it all to be anti-intellectual. Grouping people into categories that are largely uncontrolled by themselves like race, sex, sexual identity, etc, is incredibly simplistic. Does that mean that oppression has never occurred throughout history? Obviously not. But the desire to look for oppression in every interaction is not healthy to a functioning society. It’s clear we disagree on some things. And, I’m ok with that. There’s always room for disagreement in dialogue. However, I’ve lost friends because they said there was no room for such disagreement. I hope one day reconciliation will be found with all Americans. Unfortunately, terms like MAGA and CRT lead to the divisiveness they are intended to create. It’s all very sad to me. Thank you beavermd. You are more eloquent than I am. Your point that we should be able to question this rationale is important. It feels like there is no room for it in this climate. It's so easy to label folks....and I guess thats kind of the point. The big picture here is, by pushing forward with this agenda you are creating more divide.....it is not the way forward, imo.  |
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Post by speakthetruth on Jun 11, 2021 20:07:43 GMT -8
Is it racist to think of LSU fans as "swamp donkeys"? Asking for a friend....... Go Beavs!!! Aren't donkeys asses? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 11, 2021 20:07:50 GMT -8
Thank you beavermd. You are more eloquent than I am. Your point that we should be able to question this rationale is important. It feels like there is no room for it in this climate. It's so easy to label folks....and I guess thats kind of the point. The big picture here is, by pushing forward with this agenda you are creating more divide.....it is not the way forward, imo. Until someone kills Kenny... |
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Post by ag87 on Jun 12, 2021 8:09:31 GMT -8
not forced to be injected with an unproven, experimental drug that's not been approved by the FDA to prevent a disease that's less dangerous to them as climbing in a car and driving to their friend's house.
I believe this is the stupidest thing I have ever read on Benny's House. My apologies to BeaverNut but I attribute some of his comments to a 17-year-old that is trying to determine which hard alcohol gets him the most drunk. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 12, 2021 8:12:06 GMT -8
not forced to be injected with an unproven, experimental drug that's not been approved by the FDA to prevent a disease that's less dangerous to them as climbing in a car and driving to their friend's house.
I believe this is the stupidest thing I have ever read on Benny's House. My apologies to BeaverNut but I attribute some of his comments to a 17-year-old that is trying to determine which hard alcohol gets him the most drunk. No small feat. |
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Post by oldbeav on Jun 12, 2021 16:37:16 GMT -8
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 12, 2021 16:40:08 GMT -8
Sidd Finch was wrong?? Shocking. |
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Post by messi on Jun 12, 2021 17:00:42 GMT -8
I'm willing to bet Jon said no on the idea of living on Baton Rouge, and that carries a lot of weight for Pat. Jon likes Corvallis, and to move to a place with unfamiliar people would be a burden for him. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jun 12, 2021 17:03:46 GMT -8
This is exactly why when I see LSU fans squwakin about the Heimlich sitch, I know they are clueless about Pat Casey as a human being.
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Post by messi on Jun 12, 2021 17:07:37 GMT -8
Now that this whole thing is settled, can this thread be locked? It certainly got ugly, and now any rumors are put to rest.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 12, 2021 17:47:17 GMT -8
I'm willing to bet Jon said no on the idea of living on Baton Rouge, and that carries a lot of weight for Pat. Jon likes Corvallis, and to move to a place with unfamiliar people would be a burden for him. This is exactly the reason the I didn’t think he’d take it. Jon lives at Beaver Games and Timberhill Athletic Club. I see him walking around town almost every day. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jun 12, 2021 19:14:40 GMT -8
Ok…. Well I get the Eggers thing and Pat saying what he says…. But I had heard LSU job was his and not offered because of Luke Legacy…….
That might be wrong…. But what’s out there.
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Post by OSUprof on Jun 12, 2021 19:25:30 GMT -8
OSU had no choice but to play Luke Heimlich. He was a student in good standing both academically and with regard to the law despite what folks with no understanding of the law might otherwise believe. Moreover, he was performing on the field at a high level so he could not be demoted or cut for competition reasons. To remove him from the team or to prevent him from playing would have created a huge legal liability at OSU, LSU or just about any other institution.
This was not really a choice for Pat Casey. But if he had one, he would have chosen to play Luke for the reasons stated above.
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