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Post by Judge Smails on May 12, 2021 15:41:48 GMT -8
So Florida had a 10% infection rate vs about 4.2% for Oregon, and 36000 people have died in Florida (.16% of population) vs 2600 in Oregon (.06%). In nice simple rounded numbers, 2.5 times more Floridians got sick, and 2.67 times more people died per capita than in Oregon. I'm jealous. CA Population: 14.3% over age 65 FL Population: 20.5% over age 65 Florida has a significantly higher percentage population in the most vulnerable category. This is not a political opinion, it's fact. It is also not a political opinion Florida's schools, sports, and businesses have been wide open since late last summer while California has maintained school closures, curfews, travel restrictions, and business closures. CA: covid deaths 61,228 (.15% of population) FL: covid deaths 35,731 (.16% of population) The toll lockdowns and school closures will have on children's development and mental health in Oregon will be what? The addiction rate and mental health of those who lost their living, or life savings due to mandatory lockdowns will come at what cost to them, their family, and our community? Do you care? We could save a lot of lives by limiting travel to "essential travel" as defined by corporate bank rolled politicians too. Would you be ok with that too? I thought you were moving to Del Boca Vista? |
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Post by jdogge on May 12, 2021 15:50:00 GMT -8
Why are we bringing California into the discussion? What's your definition of "wide open" in regards to businesses, schools, etc? Because CA and FL rank 1 and 3 in population and larger sample sizes are more reliable. Where is ATOWN when you need him? Coming up -- Stat Wars! Who has the popcorn? |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 12, 2021 16:05:43 GMT -8
It's getting rowdy out there. Just wait until the rolling blackouts when the big game is on. Carbon Free, Yippee!!! |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 12, 2021 20:53:57 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan.
I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2021 20:58:46 GMT -8
CA Population: 14.3% over age 65 FL Population: 20.5% over age 65 Florida has a significantly higher percentage population in the most vulnerable category. This is not a political opinion, it's fact. It is also not a political opinion Florida's schools, sports, and businesses have been wide open since late last summer while California has maintained school closures, curfews, travel restrictions, and business closures. CA: covid deaths 61,228 (.15% of population) FL: covid deaths 35,731 (.16% of population) The toll lockdowns and school closures will have on children's development and mental health in Oregon will be what? The addiction rate and mental health of those who lost their living, or life savings due to mandatory lockdowns will come at what cost to them, their family, and our community? Do you care? We could save a lot of lives by limiting travel to "essential travel" as defined by corporate bank rolled politicians too. Would you be ok with that too? Kids have been learning for a year. And from what I’ve seen, their mental health is fine. Now their parents’ mental health…that’s another matter. Depends on the kid. My oldest learned fine, remote or not. My younger son needs to be taught in person, or he flat out does not learn. But my part of Arizona has been in person since Labor Day, except for like 2-3 weeks in Winter. Both are much happier since school went back to in-person fulltime. My poor daughter missed her entire first year of preschool. Some kids thrive on remote. But, for those who don't, I can't imagine that this experience did anything other than stunt their intellectual and emotional growth. Parents should have had the option to have kids in-person or remote. I worry that we are going to start seeing more and more problems on the horizon in the weeks, months and years to come, because of, to quote FDR, "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 12, 2021 21:37:31 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan. I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else. Fastest-growing state in the country. Boise and the suburbs, like Nampa, are beautiful with lower taxes than Oregon. And Ontario is only 40 miles northwest of Nampa, in case you ever feel the need to dodge the sales tax. |
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Post by jdogge on May 12, 2021 22:15:46 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan. I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else. Learn to goose-step before you go. |
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Post by TheGlove on May 12, 2021 22:55:35 GMT -8
One things for sure, kids are very resilient. Especially those pre middle school.
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Post by beavs6 on May 13, 2021 4:45:34 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan. I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else. Learn to goose-step before you go. If he lives in OR he has already. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 13, 2021 6:37:03 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan. I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else. Fastest-growing state in the country. Boise and the suburbs, like Nampa, are beautiful with lower taxes than Oregon. And Ontario is only 40 miles northwest of Nampa, in case you ever feel the need to dodge the sales tax. My mom grew up in Boise. I have a bunch of fam over there. I love Idaho for many reasons. Great hunting/fishing/wilderness, etc....and I like how theyre resisting the woke mob. |
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Post by irimi on May 13, 2021 6:40:55 GMT -8
Kids have been learning for a year. And from what I’ve seen, their mental health is fine. Now their parents’ mental health…that’s another matter. Depends on the kid. My oldest learned fine, remote or not. My younger son needs to be taught in person, or he flat out does not learn. But my part of Arizona has been in person since Labor Day, except for like 2-3 weeks in Winter. Both are much happier since school went back to in-person fulltime. My poor daughter missed her entire first year of preschool. Some kids thrive on remote. But, for those who don't, I can't imagine that this experience did anything other than stunt their intellectual and emotional growth. Parents should have had the option to have kids in-person or remote. I worry that we are going to start seeing more and more problems on the horizon in the weeks, months and years to come, because of, to quote FDR, "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." Once this is all over, I hope you’ll put your money where your mouth is then and fund educators and education properly. |
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Post by irimi on May 13, 2021 6:45:28 GMT -8
Whatever California does, we should do the opposite. Unfortunately, that's not the case. We are tied to Cali and Washington, politically......not a fan. I've been looking at Idaho, but so is everyone else. Fastest-growing state in the country. Boise and the suburbs, like Nampa, are beautiful with lower taxes than Oregon. And Ontario is only 40 miles northwest of Nampa, in case you ever feel the need to dodge the sales tax. Don’t forget Sandpoint. Might feel right at home there. |
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Post by beaverstever on May 13, 2021 7:21:59 GMT -8
Depends on the kid. My oldest learned fine, remote or not. My younger son needs to be taught in person, or he flat out does not learn. But my part of Arizona has been in person since Labor Day, except for like 2-3 weeks in Winter. Both are much happier since school went back to in-person fulltime. My poor daughter missed her entire first year of preschool. Some kids thrive on remote. But, for those who don't, I can't imagine that this experience did anything other than stunt their intellectual and emotional growth. Parents should have had the option to have kids in-person or remote. I worry that we are going to start seeing more and more problems on the horizon in the weeks, months and years to come, because of, to quote FDR, "nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." Once this is all over, I hope you’ll put your money where your mouth is then and fund educators and education properly. My kids are in a well funded district, due to private subsidies, and the last 14 months have been a complete disaster in terms of educational outcomes - better funding doesn’t stop poor decisions. And in terms of emotional health, I’ve seen a lot of parents say their kids are “doing fine” with remote educations - completely oblivious to how much their child has regressed socially from 18 months ago. This has been a giant experiment on our kids with no historical precedent. People keep saying kids are resilient, but we actually have no good studies to know if the stunting to their social-emotional development will have permanent effects or not. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 13, 2021 8:31:56 GMT -8
Fastest-growing state in the country. Boise and the suburbs, like Nampa, are beautiful with lower taxes than Oregon. And Ontario is only 40 miles northwest of Nampa, in case you ever feel the need to dodge the sales tax. My mom grew up in Boise. I have a bunch of fam over there. I love Idaho for many reasons. Great hunting/fishing/wilderness, etc....and I like how theyre resisting the woke mob. Don't be so sure. Trump won Ada County by 12% in 2016, but by only 4% in 2020. Idaho was also the first Mountain state to elect a gay senator. It might not be as cracker as you think it is. |
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Post by ochobeavo on May 13, 2021 8:32:33 GMT -8
Once this is all over, I hope you’ll put your money where your mouth is then and fund educators and education properly. My kids are in a well funded district, due to private subsidies, and the last 14 months have been a complete disaster in terms of educational outcomes - better funding doesn’t stop poor decisions. And in terms of emotional health, I’ve seen a lot of parents say their kids are “doing fine” with remote educations - completely oblivious to how much their child has regressed socially from 18 months ago. This has been a giant experiment on our kids with no historical precedent. People keep saying kids are resilient, but we actually have no good studies to know if the stunting to their social-emotional development will have permanent effects or not.Yeah I think that's a fair point. My kids have been doing fantastic, getting good grades, employed, out of jail, practicing appropriate amounts of hygiene. One of my kids works on campus at OSU which I think has been huge versus just being cooped up in his room all day taking classes online. But I have plenty of friends with high school aged kids who are still struggling, feeling isolated or have been devastated over things like proms, graduations, ability to go on dates, performance arts, attending football games w/friends and all of those dozens of other things that make up the "normal" high school experience. Hopefully there's finally some light at the end of the tunnel... |
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