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Post by beavaristotle on Apr 10, 2021 11:01:33 GMT -8
" You play the game of baseball with fear and arrogance" we seem to have the fear part down. attitude is a skill that can be developed like any other skill in the game. to me this is on the coaching staff. I relieve the staff has to work with what they have and you better start with chicken if you are going to make chicken salad. these guys were highly successful, highly recruited baseball players. Either staff or among the players someone has to step up and lead. players have to be made to understand there is a certain standard that has to be meet and there are consequences for not meeting those standards. not so much the results, but the effort and the attitude. i'll pick on Troy for a minute, his effort on the two foul pop ups and blocking pitches was unacceptable. he went the wrong way on one of them (maybe excusable) but didn't hustle after the the other one because he thought is was going in the stands which it didn't. if I'm coaching, he comes out of the game right there in the middle of the inning. he wants to embarrass the uniform, than he can be embarrassed too. a batter has a couple horsesh*t at-bat, doesn't compete he can sit down too. again effort and attitude (things that the players can control)not results. Mitch Canham of 2007 would have fought someone right there in the dugout for some of the things that have gone on this year. I think the Seattle mariners might have ruined him (they ruin a lot of things). this is not a good team , the record is fools gold. unless a lot changes quickly they will be lucky to go 5-10 in our last five pac 12 series. well, at least I feel better. going for a walk to calm down before tonight's game.
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Post by nabeav on Apr 10, 2021 11:48:21 GMT -8
Tough crowd. We're a projected one seed in the tournament. Getting some untested guys pressure innings may pay off later in the year. It's a long season guys. One of my criticisms of Casey/Yeskie was that they only had like one maybe two relievers they trusted and as a result some starters ended up throwing a ton of pitches and you're kind of limited in who you can go to late. Just because it didn't work out last night doesn't mean it was a bad decision.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2021 12:09:58 GMT -8
Why is questioning of the coaching all directed at the pitching decisions? We scored 1 run...the main issue is still with bats. Had numerous chances early on with runners in scoring position and couldn’t come up with a key hit. Couldn’t even put the ball in play at times. That is the main issue right now. True to an extent but both sides were dealing with very good pitchers so I thought it would be a low scoring game....we should have tried more sacrifices to get players into scoring position .....McMahan should have bunted where we had batters in position. Instead he whiffs three times.... but he didn’t look good at the plate all night. At least Forrester was making contact....can’t explain Dukart though.... McMahan was 1-for-4 with one strikeout, in the first when he ended the inning and left two on. In his other at-bats he led off and flied out; he flied out with Army on second and moved him up to third, and he grounded out in the ninth with nobody on. In no instance should he have bunted. Dukart was the only batter to strike out three times. We did sacrifice successfully the only time it was appropriate, when Army led off the seventh with a single. The only other time a bunt would have been appropriate was when McDowell had runners at second and third in the second, and whiffed. At NO OTHER time in that game was it worth giving up an out via a sac bunt. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Apr 10, 2021 12:24:17 GMT -8
Tough crowd. We're a projected one seed in the tournament. Getting some untested guys pressure innings may pay off later in the year. It's a long season guys. One of my criticisms of Casey/Yeskie was that they only had like one maybe two relievers they trusted and as a result some starters ended up throwing a ton of pitches and you're kind of limited in who you can go to late. Just because it didn't work out last night doesn't mean it was a bad decision. If we are really a one seed its only because of the name Oregon State University. This team is not worthy of that seeding. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 10, 2021 13:08:01 GMT -8
Dukart's a beast against righties but shouldn't have led off against Ahlstrom.
Jones reached safely in three of his four appearances and should not have hit ninth. Each of his at bats was squandered by Dukart.
Army was the only guy who hit Ahlstrom well the first time around. Army was wasted batting sixth. Army should have hit at least fifth and maybe fourth depending on how bullish you are on Forrester.
Claunch had a great February but has largely been playing like hot garbage since. He has been playing much more like a seven or eight hitter rather than a four hitter. Why he is hitting that high is beyond me.
McDowell hitting seventh is also questionable.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 10, 2021 14:15:19 GMT -8
My take, and I know I'm going to take flack here for this: I like MC's general demeanor, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder about this coaching staff's acuity for college ball. IMO, since MC took over there are just too many examples of questionable lineups and flawed in-game decisions. And last night was one of most blatant misuse of a college coaching staff I can recall ever seeing -- MC leaves his best arms (e.g., Mully, Verberg) on the bench for the huge 8th-9th inning end-game windup. Instead, he brings in a relatively untested guy with a close-to 4.0 ERA. The kid can't really get anybody out and we blow probably the most important game thus far in our PAC12 season. What the hell?? I really don't expect decisions from MC's staff to get much better in the coming weeks. Mitch may have been an OK minor league pro-manager, but (IMO) there's just no substitute for previous experience coaching at the college level. I seriously hope I'm way off base here. And I'm sure many of you will let me know about that...but that's my opinion. FIRE CANHAM! not ... lol ... |
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Post by billsaab on Apr 10, 2021 14:23:00 GMT -8
Couple things that have bugged me. Their double steal, they pinch hit for a pinch hitter. Seems so far Mitch coaches like player development minor league. He needs to use pitchers as mentioned. Sometimes the important inning is the 7 th or 8th. Sure as hell was last Night. I like our Coach but He must change or we will continue to squander opportunities and lose winnable games. Their number 2 pitcher gave us probs last time. Expect a tight game. We need to be aggressive and keep those vastness iff the bases. Stop hitting batters and stop with the walks.
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Post by badwack on Apr 10, 2021 14:30:21 GMT -8
Not squeezing with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was a huge mistake. One of the alleged batters/hitters would likely have missed me if I tried to run by.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 10, 2021 14:44:13 GMT -8
Not squeezing with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was a huge mistake. One of the alleged batters/hitters would likely have missed me if I tried to run by. We never had runners on second and third with no outs. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 10, 2021 14:53:34 GMT -8
Not squeezing with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was a huge mistake. One of the alleged batters/hitters would likely have missed me if I tried to run by. We never had runners on second and third with no outs. Yes, it was 1 out. Still should have squeezed. |
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Post by grackle on Apr 10, 2021 14:59:15 GMT -8
Not squeezing with runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs was a huge mistake. One of the alleged batters/hitters would likely have missed me if I tried to run by. We never had runners on second and third with no outs. No, but we did have a runner at third with 1 out as I recall. Mitch is inconsistent....he coaches as if he's really not sure what to do from one situation to the next -- both in terms of in-game strategy and offensive and defensive lineups. Whoever assumes the title of Beaver baseball head man should not require a steep learning curve before he's game ready. Maybe Pat Bailey is still around town and could help Mitch with learning in-game management strategy??!! Maybe he could help with lineups as well?? |
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Post by irimi on Apr 10, 2021 15:26:18 GMT -8
My take, and I know I'm going to take flack here for this: I like MC's general demeanor, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder about this coaching staff's acuity for college ball. IMO, since MC took over there are just too many examples of questionable lineups and flawed in-game decisions. And last night was one of most blatant misuse of a college coaching staff I can recall ever seeing -- MC leaves his best arms (e.g., Mully, Verberg) on the bench for the huge 8th-9th inning end-game windup. Instead, he brings in a relatively untested guy with a close-to 4.0 ERA. The kid can't really get anybody out and we blow probably the most important game thus far in our PAC12 season. What the hell?? I really don't expect decisions from MC's staff to get much better in the coming weeks. Mitch may have been an OK minor league pro-manager, but (IMO) there's just no substitute for previous experience coaching at the college level. I seriously hope I'm way off base here. And I'm sure many of you will let me know about that...but that's my opinion. FIRE CANHAM! not ... lol ... DRINK MORE BEER! We lost because we weren't drinking enough. Better stock up for tonight and tomorrow! |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 10, 2021 16:09:28 GMT -8
FIRE CANHAM! not ... lol ... DRINK MORE BEER! We lost because we weren't drinking enough. Better stock up for tonight and tomorrow! The problem with these late games is that being the lightweight I am, the headache from my 2 early beers is already present. Too late for old people and beer. Ban late games!!!. |
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Post by zeroposter on Apr 10, 2021 16:28:05 GMT -8
the problem with inexperienced pitchers is they don't have a lot of experience, especially in close games...How do you solve that? Play 'em! Some times it works, some times it fails. But they do GAIN experience for the next time their number is called. Watkins is an experienced guy, who has had numerous, very good outings this season. And the lefty-lefty match-ups for which he was brought in are the exact match-ups that countless, successful, college and pro coaches make. |
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Post by rainmanrich on Apr 10, 2021 17:17:42 GMT -8
I say this respectfully to everyone on this board, especially to those who I'm sure know a hellava lot more about the game of baseball and this particular team than I do: Whatever you think you know about baseball and the particulars of each member of this team, Mitch Canham and his coaching staff is likely to know a lot more. Not like a little more either. Huge amounts more. Magnitudes more. Think about it. The coaching staff pretty much live with the players. They know nuances of each and every player, what they ate for breakfast, what's troubling them any given day, etc. Certainly they have lived baseball their ENTIRE lives. Old school baseball, new ways of analytics, everything. The have lived it 24/7/365.
I for one am not qualified to question or comment on their decisions even though I have been exposed to this game for many many years, it's not the entire focus of my life. Moreover, I don't even know a single one of the players even remotely.
I respect everyone who posts on this board. It really is a good place to hear the opinions of what I consider overall a group with considerable baseball knowledgeable. Also, I do appreciate "stirring the pot" because it's commensurate with getting better every day.
Each baseball decision is based on dozens of facts. How many facts are you weighing when posting? 2? 5? 10? Not questioning anyone in particular. Just ask yourself.
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