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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 25, 2020 12:07:57 GMT -8
Congratulations to the citizens of Virginia for finally deciding that traitors do not deserve a place of honor in the nation's capitol.
Well done.
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 25, 2020 13:12:09 GMT -8
Forts Hood, A P Hill, etc need to go away as well
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 25, 2020 15:10:04 GMT -8
Forts Hood, A P Hill, etc need to go away as well They will, when the veto of the defense bill is overturned. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 28, 2020 17:25:52 GMT -8
Congratulations to the citizens of Virginia for finally deciding that traitors do not deserve a place of honor in the nation's capitol. Well done. Robert E. Lee served the United States Army for 32 years. He served his country in Mexico with distinction. He was a huge part of the United States' victory at the Siege of Veracruz. He was a big part of the United States' victory over the Mexicans at the Battle of Cerro Gordo. He twice crossed the lava fields at the Battle of Contreras to help win the victory. He fought in and was injured at the Battle of Chapultepec (the Halls of Montezuma). Otherwise, he generally served his contrary as a military engineer. Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession. He said that he would release every slave, if it would preserve the Union, but he stated that he could not fight against Virginia. Lee resigned from the United States Army three days after Virginia voted to secede. Robert E. Lee was never convicted of treason. Lee was indicted but all charges were dropped in February 1869. What you are saying is libelous. When Southerners wanted to start a second Civil War in 1866, Lee counseled Southerners not to. Lee advocated for free public schools for African-Americans. He opposed more hardline Southerners like Jefferson Davis and Jubal Early, advocating reconciliation with the North. When Grant invited Lee to the White House in 1869 in an attempt to heal the country, Lee went. Nationally, Lee was an icon of reconciliation between the North and South. President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon on May 29, 1865. Lee applied to Grant and President Johnson on June 13, 1865. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. Whether he complied with the May 29, 1865 Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon, he was unambiguously pardoned in President Johnson's December 25, 1868 second amnesty. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who actively worked to unite this country after the Civil War. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who served for decades for the United States of America. What is an outright scandal is that Robert E. Lee's removal from the Crypt of the Untied States Capitol is part of $25 million that Virginia is spending during a pandemic to remove statues. Because it is 100% the most important way to spend $25 million. Brilliant! |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 28, 2020 18:26:45 GMT -8
Washington DC, and the state for that matter, need a name change then. How many cities, counties, mountains and rivers are name after our forefathers that owned slaves our condoned slavery?
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 28, 2020 18:52:12 GMT -8
Congratulations to the citizens of Virginia for finally deciding that traitors do not deserve a place of honor in the nation's capitol. Well done. Robert E. Lee served the United States Army for 32 years. He served his country in Mexico with distinction. He was a huge part of the United States' victory at the Siege of Veracruz. He was a big part of the United States' victory over the Mexicans at the Battle of Cerro Gordo. He twice crossed the lava fields at the Battle of Contreras to help win the victory. He fought in and was injured at the Battle of Chapultepec (the Halls of Montezuma). Otherwise, he generally served his contrary as a military engineer. Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession. He said that he would release every slave, if it would preserve the Union, but he stated that he could not fight against Virginia. Lee resigned from the United States Army three days after Virginia voted to secede. Robert E. Lee was never convicted of treason. Lee was indicted but all charges were dropped in February 1869. What you are saying is libelous. When Southerners wanted to start a second Civil War in 1866, Lee counseled Southerners not to. Lee advocated for free public schools for African-Americans. He opposed more hardline Southerners like Jefferson Davis and Jubal Early, advocating reconciliation with the North. When Grant invited Lee to the White House in 1869 in an attempt to heal the country, Lee went. Nationally, Lee was an icon of reconciliation between the North and South. President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon on May 29, 1865. Lee applied to Grant and President Johnson on June 13, 1865. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. Whether he complied with the May 29, 1865 Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon, he was unambiguously pardoned in President Johnson's December 25, 1868 second amnesty. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who actively worked to unite this country after the Civil War. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who served for decades for the United States of America. What is an outright scandal is that Robert E. Lee's removal from the Crypt of the Untied States Capitol is part of $25 million that Virginia is spending during a pandemic to remove statues. Because it is 100% the most important way to spend $25 million. Brilliant! You better stay out of Corvallis then. Jefferson, Hoover & Wilson Elementary schools all got their names pulled this year. Street names are sure to change soon. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 28, 2020 19:45:23 GMT -8
Robert E. Lee served the United States Army for 32 years. He served his country in Mexico with distinction. He was a huge part of the United States' victory at the Siege of Veracruz. He was a big part of the United States' victory over the Mexicans at the Battle of Cerro Gordo. He twice crossed the lava fields at the Battle of Contreras to help win the victory. He fought in and was injured at the Battle of Chapultepec (the Halls of Montezuma). Otherwise, he generally served his contrary as a military engineer. Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession. He said that he would release every slave, if it would preserve the Union, but he stated that he could not fight against Virginia. Lee resigned from the United States Army three days after Virginia voted to secede. Robert E. Lee was never convicted of treason. Lee was indicted but all charges were dropped in February 1869. What you are saying is libelous. When Southerners wanted to start a second Civil War in 1866, Lee counseled Southerners not to. Lee advocated for free public schools for African-Americans. He opposed more hardline Southerners like Jefferson Davis and Jubal Early, advocating reconciliation with the North. When Grant invited Lee to the White House in 1869 in an attempt to heal the country, Lee went. Nationally, Lee was an icon of reconciliation between the North and South. President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon on May 29, 1865. Lee applied to Grant and President Johnson on June 13, 1865. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. Whether he complied with the May 29, 1865 Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon, he was unambiguously pardoned in President Johnson's December 25, 1868 second amnesty. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who actively worked to unite this country after the Civil War. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who served for decades for the United States of America. What is an outright scandal is that Robert E. Lee's removal from the Crypt of the Untied States Capitol is part of $25 million that Virginia is spending during a pandemic to remove statues. Because it is 100% the most important way to spend $25 million. Brilliant! You better stay out of Corvallis then. Jefferson, Hoover & Wilson Elementary schools all got their names pulled this year. Street names are sure to change soon. That should fix any societal problems. Well done! I still tease my wife about her schools growing up in Eugene were declared Nuclear Free Zones. I’m sure the Soviets has a little geofence built in to all their missles in order to comply. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 28, 2020 20:13:49 GMT -8
Congratulations to the citizens of Virginia for finally deciding that traitors do not deserve a place of honor in the nation's capitol. Well done. Robert E. Lee served the United States Army for 32 years. He served his country in Mexico with distinction. He was a huge part of the United States' victory at the Siege of Veracruz. He was a big part of the United States' victory over the Mexicans at the Battle of Cerro Gordo. He twice crossed the lava fields at the Battle of Contreras to help win the victory. He fought in and was injured at the Battle of Chapultepec (the Halls of Montezuma). Otherwise, he generally served his contrary as a military engineer. Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession. He said that he would release every slave, if it would preserve the Union, but he stated that he could not fight against Virginia. Lee resigned from the United States Army three days after Virginia voted to secede. Robert E. Lee was never convicted of treason. Lee was indicted but all charges were dropped in February 1869. What you are saying is libelous. When Southerners wanted to start a second Civil War in 1866, Lee counseled Southerners not to. Lee advocated for free public schools for African-Americans. He opposed more hardline Southerners like Jefferson Davis and Jubal Early, advocating reconciliation with the North. When Grant invited Lee to the White House in 1869 in an attempt to heal the country, Lee went. Nationally, Lee was an icon of reconciliation between the North and South. President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon on May 29, 1865. Lee applied to Grant and President Johnson on June 13, 1865. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. Whether he complied with the May 29, 1865 Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon, he was unambiguously pardoned in President Johnson's December 25, 1868 second amnesty. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who actively worked to unite this country after the Civil War. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who served for decades for the United States of America. What is an outright scandal is that Robert E. Lee's removal from the Crypt of the Untied States Capitol is part of $25 million that Virginia is spending during a pandemic to remove statues. Because it is 100% the most important way to spend $25 million. Brilliant! ”Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession”. And yet he waged war against the the USA for both. So I guess in addition to being a traitor and a poor general he was also an idiot. You’re not making a strong case. |
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 28, 2020 20:55:44 GMT -8
Benedict Arnold served with honor before he turned traitor as did Lee. I would have kicked the stool out rrom under both of them. If the neck didn't break, I would have a beer while I watched them kick.
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Post by irimi on Dec 29, 2020 8:10:29 GMT -8
You better stay out of Corvallis then. Jefferson, Hoover & Wilson Elementary schools all got their names pulled this year. Street names are sure to change soon. That should fix any societal problems. Well done! I still tease my wife about her schools growing up in Eugene were declared Nuclear Free Zones. I’m sure the Soviets has a little geofence built in to all their missles in order to comply. Awareness comes first. Then small changes. Then bigger changes. Perhaps as a child, you were taught the Disney-esque version of Thanksgiving and little else about the Native Americans like I was. Little by little, that has changed to the point where we now have Indigenous Peoples Day instead of Columbus Day. Does it solve the problem? No. Is it an important step forward? Yes. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2020 10:12:10 GMT -8
That should fix any societal problems. Well done! I still tease my wife about her schools growing up in Eugene were declared Nuclear Free Zones. I’m sure the Soviets has a little geofence built in to all their missles in order to comply. Awareness comes first. Then small changes. Then bigger changes. Perhaps as a child, you were taught the Disney-esque version of Thanksgiving and little else about the Native Americans like I was. Little by little, that has changed to the point where we now have Indigenous Peoples Day instead of Columbus Day. Does it solve the problem? No. Is it an important step forward? Yes. We still have Columbus Day. I get the day off every year for that. It is a fine line. You may not be here if Columbus or someone else didn’t start the colonization process in America. And, I’m part Native American and I’m saying that. |
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Post by irimi on Dec 29, 2020 13:28:33 GMT -8
Awareness comes first. Then small changes. Then bigger changes. Perhaps as a child, you were taught the Disney-esque version of Thanksgiving and little else about the Native Americans like I was. Little by little, that has changed to the point where we now have Indigenous Peoples Day instead of Columbus Day. Does it solve the problem? No. Is it an important step forward? Yes. We still have Columbus Day. I get the day off every year for that. It is a fine line. You may not be here if Columbus or someone else didn’t start the colonization process in America. And, I’m part Native American and I’m saying that. Wow! Only certain people used the term “Columbus Day” this year. Sure old habits die hard, but new habits will replace the old ones. No one doubts that the world would look significantly different had there never been any colonization. It’s not all or nothing. Let’s instead take a good look at the tactics of colonization and the manner in which the indigenous people were treated. It was wrong. And perhaps it’s time to change some of the whitewashing of America’s “heroes.” |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2020 13:35:29 GMT -8
We still have Columbus Day. I get the day off every year for that. It is a fine line. You may not be here if Columbus or someone else didn’t start the colonization process in America. And, I’m part Native American and I’m saying that. Wow! Only certain people used the term “Columbus Day” this year. Sure old habits die hard, but new habits will replace the old ones. No one doubts that the world would look significantly different had there never been any colonization. It’s not all or nothing. Let’s instead take a good look at the tactics of colonization and the manner in which the indigenous people were treated. It was wrong. And perhaps it’s time to change some of the whitewashing of America’s “heroes.” Agree that the whitewashing needs to go, but changing the names of things does not change history. My kids went to Jefferson Elementary. I don’t get how people can brush aside all of his other positive accomplishments he had and only focus the bad things. Judging people from 200+ years ago by today’s standards, you will have a hard time finding any person that holds up. |
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 29, 2020 14:22:47 GMT -8
North America might look a lot different if the native Americans had not been so ravaged by smallpox brought over from Europe, and if the Aztecs had not been so hated by all their neighbors that had been held under their thumb and sacrificed by the thousands at their temples.
It was not Cortez and his few troops that defeated a well trained and militarized (up to 400,000 to 700,000 soldiers), it was Cortez organizing the millions of Aztec empire vassals in civil wat, who blockaded the island capital city and brought down Tenochtitlan.
Between wiping out the largest empire in a Spanish triggered civil war, and 90% of the millions of people in North America killed by smallpox, the Europeans were able to (over the next 400 years) take over the continent. But it only took 400 years.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 29, 2020 14:24:31 GMT -8
Robert E. Lee served the United States Army for 32 years. He served his country in Mexico with distinction. He was a huge part of the United States' victory at the Siege of Veracruz. He was a big part of the United States' victory over the Mexicans at the Battle of Cerro Gordo. He twice crossed the lava fields at the Battle of Contreras to help win the victory. He fought in and was injured at the Battle of Chapultepec (the Halls of Montezuma). Otherwise, he generally served his contrary as a military engineer. Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession. He said that he would release every slave, if it would preserve the Union, but he stated that he could not fight against Virginia. Lee resigned from the United States Army three days after Virginia voted to secede. Robert E. Lee was never convicted of treason. Lee was indicted but all charges were dropped in February 1869. What you are saying is libelous. When Southerners wanted to start a second Civil War in 1866, Lee counseled Southerners not to. Lee advocated for free public schools for African-Americans. He opposed more hardline Southerners like Jefferson Davis and Jubal Early, advocating reconciliation with the North. When Grant invited Lee to the White House in 1869 in an attempt to heal the country, Lee went. Nationally, Lee was an icon of reconciliation between the North and South. President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon on May 29, 1865. Lee applied to Grant and President Johnson on June 13, 1865. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. Whether he complied with the May 29, 1865 Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon, he was unambiguously pardoned in President Johnson's December 25, 1868 second amnesty. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who actively worked to unite this country after the Civil War. The reason that you have a United States of America is men like Lee, men who served for decades for the United States of America. What is an outright scandal is that Robert E. Lee's removal from the Crypt of the Untied States Capitol is part of $25 million that Virginia is spending during a pandemic to remove statues. Because it is 100% the most important way to spend $25 million. Brilliant! ”Lee opposed slavery and opposed secession”. And yet he waged war against the the USA for both. So I guess in addition to being a traitor and a poor general he was also an idiot. You’re not making a strong case. The United States waged war against Virginia for seceding, not the other way around. Robert E. Lee's first command was to defend Virginia from the United States Army. He did not attack the United States Army until the United States Army invaded Virginia. At the beginning of the Civil War, Lee was in charge of improving the defenses of Savannah. After Fort Pulaski (named after Casimir Pulaski, the Polish-American patriot who had saved George Washington and the bulk of the Continental Army at the Battle of Brandywine) fell, Lee was put in place of increasing the defenses of Richmond. It was only after General Johnston was hit by artillery shrapnel at the Battle of Seven Pines on May 31, 1862, and his first replacement, Major General Gustavus Woodson Smith suffering a nervous breakdown, that Lee, President Jefferson Davis' military advisor, took over the Army of Northern Virginia. Again, though, he only drove McClellan and then Pope out of Virginia. Absent the raid on Harper's Ferry in 1862 in a terrible attempt to influence the 1862 Election and the attempted raid on Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, in 1863, Lee did not leave Virginia, defending the State from the five or so separate invasions by the United States Army. In the end, Lee failed to successfully defend Virginia from the United States Army. Lee did not choose for Virginia to be a slave state or to secede, but he sought to protect Virginia from the devastation of the United States Army. He was ultimately unsuccessful. But he actively worked to reunify the United States of America after the War. He made a special application to President Johnson and General Grant for amnesty and pardon on June 13, 1865, 15 days after President Johnson requested that he do so. Three days later, General Grant recommended that Robert E. Lee be granted amnesty and/or pardon upon Lee taking the Amnesty Oath. Lee took the Amnesty Oath on October 2, 1865. On January 3, 1975 (the first day of the 94th United States Senate), the Democratic Senator from West Virginia, Harry F. Byrd, sponsored a bill to restore citizenship rights to Robert E. Lee effective on June 13, 1865. It was co-sponsored by 18 Senators, including Democratic Senators from Alaska, Colorado, Minnesota, and Montana and Republican Senators from Maryland, Oregon and both Senators from Arizona (as well as 10 Senators from the South, six Democrats and four Republicans). It passed the Senate unanimously. It went to the house and passed on July 22, 1975, 407-10. Despite there being 17 African-Americans in Congress in 1975, only two African-American Representatives voted against the measure. President Ford signed it into the law on August 5, 1975. Public Law 94-67 of the Untied States of America states in part: Whereas this entire Nation has long recognized the outstanding virtues of courage, patriotism, and selfless devotion to duty of General R. E. Lee, and has recongized the contribution of General Lee in healing the wounds of the War Between the States, and Whereas, in order to further the goal of reunion of this country, General Lee, on June 13, 1865, applied to the President for amnesty and pardon and restoration of his rights as a citizen, and Whereas this request was favorably endorsed by General Ulysses S. Grant on June 16, 1865... General R. E. Lee is posthumously restored to the full rights of citizenship, effective June 13, 1865. Approved August 5, 1975. |
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