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Post by fridaynightlights on May 10, 2020 9:42:10 GMT -8
The main reason Wayne still has a job at OSU is because his son was a good player and he was smart enough to hire an assistant who has 2 sons who were 4 star recruits. We have already seen what he can do when he only has one of the coaches kids.... 5 - 27.
According to Rivals our 2020 recruiting class is ranked 67th nationally and 24/7 ranks us with the lowest average recruit ranking in the conference. I know Wayne is selling the fact that the coaches kids made recruiting harder. But I am not buying it, good/great players who are difference makers want to play with other good/great players in order to win and improve themselves against good completion.
Take our women's team. We have some very good underclassman who regardless if they are related to one of he coaches or not are going to play major minutes in coming years. Has that scared away national level recruits....no. SR is a great coach who was able to convince recruits that he had a plan and a vision for the program and has proven his greatness by turning his vision for the program into reality. WT was not able to accomplish this. Time to move on, the next Scott Rueck for the men's program is out there somewhere, the AD just needs to find him.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 10, 2020 9:56:58 GMT -8
The main reason Wayne still has a job at OSU is because his son was a good player and he was smart enough to hire an assistant who has 2 sons who were 4 star recruits. We have already seen what he can do when he only has one of the coaches kids.... 5 - 27. According to Rivals our 2020 recruiting class is ranked 67th nationally and 24/7 ranks us with the lowest average recruit ranking in the conference. I know Wayne is selling the fact that the coaches kids made recruiting harder. But I am not buying it, good/great players who are difference makers want to play with other good/great players in order to win and improve themselves against good completion. Take our women's team. We have some very good underclassman who regardless if they are related to one of he coaches or not are going to play major minutes in coming years. Has that scared away national level recruits....no. SR is a great coach who was able to convince recruits that he had a plan and a vision for the program and has proven his greatness by turning his vision for the program into reality. WT was not able to accomplish this. Time to move on, the next Scott Rueck for the men's program is out there somewhere, the AD just needs to find him. If I am wrong and WT turns the program around and leads us to multiple NCAA tourney appearances I will gladly come on this site and eat crow.
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Post by seastape on May 10, 2020 11:26:36 GMT -8
I am amused that some have the attitude that now that the coaches kids are gone or close to being all gone the program will be better off. The coaches kids were clearly our best players and kept us at least respectable. Some seem to think the reason the coaches kids played the most minutes was because their Dads were the coaches. Ridicuolous, the reason they played was because they were clearly the best players. The coaches kids were not the problem, the problem was/is that the coaches have not been able to recruit enough Pac-12 level players. I understand the amusement, the coaches' kids have been our best players, but... I can understand if there may have been chemistry problems with so many coaches' kids around. In fact, I am kind of hoping that was the case in a weird sort of way. Why? Because the alternative is that we just lost at least our best player and, if Ethan leaves, our second best player (actually, it doesn't matter which order you put them in), and our third best player and that means that, barring any chemistry problems we may have had last year, all we have for talent are the leftovers from an eighth place team in a mediocre conference. Tres was good last year and put up some good numbers, but he had some bad numbers, too, that may have caused some chemistry problems. His numbers this past season compared to the season show some possible selfishness and a failure to get other involved in the game. For example: A .376 shooting percentage in conference play last year, down from .490 the year before A .264 3-point percentage in conference play last year, down from .364 the year before 6.8 rebounds per game (not bad for a 3 playing the 4) down from 7.8 the year before 2.5 assists/game, down from 3.8 the year before Those numbers reflect a man becoming a black hole even though his shooting percentage is really off the mark. A guy who isn't shooting well should be dishing out more assists but Tres' assists actually went down as his shooting percentage declined. I don't know if his teammates felt it, but there is an argument to be made that Tres' game was off last year and he should have gotten more people more involved.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 10, 2020 12:04:27 GMT -8
I think he probably became frustrated after his Junior year when they had their best team and could still not get to the Tourney so he decided instead to focus more on individual achievement.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 12:43:08 GMT -8
I think he probably became frustrated after his Junior year when they had their best team and could still not get to the Tourney so he decided instead to focus more on individual achievement. He left because wayne cant coach and plays favorites
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Post by babeav on May 10, 2020 13:32:27 GMT -8
Wow.......how many of you guys exchange Christmas cards with Wayne? You couch coaches really know your stuff.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 10, 2020 13:37:12 GMT -8
I think he probably became frustrated after his Junior year when they had their best team and could still not get to the Tourney so he decided instead to focus more on individual achievement. He left because wayne cant coach and plays favorites Yes, we need a coach that doesn’t play the best players. Good call. Vernon is a borderline back up PG at best. If you want to criticize WT for recruiting, that is valid. But saying that he plays favorites is stupid. The coaches kids happen to be the best players, so they played the most minutes. You really think if they were borderline players, that he be playing them 35 min per game? That would be playing favorites.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 10, 2020 13:41:45 GMT -8
He left because wayne cant coach and plays favorites Yes, we need a coach that doesn’t play the best players. Good call. Vernon is a borderline back up PG at best. If you want to criticize WT for recruiting, that is valid. But saying that he plays favorites is stupid. The coaches kids happen to be the best players, so they played the most minutes. You really think if they were borderline players, that he be playing them 35 min per game? That would be playing favorites. Agreed. And playing your kids if it was obvious they did not deserve the minutes would be professional suicide.
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Post by beaver94 on May 10, 2020 16:21:40 GMT -8
Here is the recruiting class for this coming season... Maurice Calloo - Went to Ok St. out of high school and averaged 2.5 ppg and 1.6 rpg as a Frosh. Kicked off the team mid season after being accused of vandalism. Went to a JC and averaged 9.1 ppg and 3.9 rebounds last year. Tariq Silver - Went to Eastern Michigan out of HS. Averaged 3.3 ppg. Transferred to a JC and averaged 12.1 ppg and 4.2 rpg last year. Offered by a bunch of non power 5 schools out of JC. Isaiah Johnson - 3 star HS player out of California. Offered by Pepperdine, Rutgers, UC Irvine, UTEP and WSU. Rodrigue Andela - JC player who averaged 12.4 ppg and 9 rpg last season. 24/7 shows Oregon St. as his only offer. Comments... I see a lot of posts talking about the stats of the incoming JC players. I don't remember what his stats or recruiting was out of JC, but I don't remember Gary Payton II putting up crazy numbers or being recruited by a lot of schools. I'm not saying any of these kids is going to become Payton II, but I'm also not sure that those are the best ways to look at JC players. Am I miss remembering or did OSU beat out a lot of big schools for Payton II?
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Post by spudbeaver on May 10, 2020 17:39:46 GMT -8
He left because wayne cant coach and plays favorites Yes, we need a coach that doesn’t play the best players. Good call. Vernon is a borderline back up PG at best. If you want to criticize WT for recruiting, that is valid. But saying that he plays favorites is stupid. The coaches kids happen to be the best players, so they played the most minutes. You really think if they were borderline players, that he be playing them 35 min per game? That would be playing favorites. Cant believe you fell for that. Off day?
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 10, 2020 17:41:44 GMT -8
I can understand why WT went heavy JC this recruiting class as he needs to win and win now. Here are the national JC rankings from JucoRecruiting.com
Tariq Silver 17 Rodrique Andela 28 Maurice Calloo 39
In 2014 Gary Payton II was ranked 11 In 2018 Kylor Kelley ranked 28
For reference Oregon has done well with JCs over the years, players listed below were all contributors to their NCAA tourney teams. 2019 Chris Duarte ranked 1 2017 Shakur Juiston ranked 1 via UNLV 2015 Chris Boucher ranked 3 2014 Dwayane Benjamin ranked 3
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 10, 2020 18:58:28 GMT -8
I can understand why WT went heavy JC this recruiting class as he needs to win and win now. Here are the national JC rankings from JucoRecruiting.com Tariq Silver 17 Rodrique Andela 28 Maurice Calloo 39 In 2014 Gary Payton II was ranked 11 In 2018 Kylor Kelley ranked 28 For reference Oregon has done well with JCs over the years, players listed below were all contributors to their NCAA tourney teams. 2019 Chris Duarte ranked 1 2017 Shakur Juiston ranked 1 via UNLV 2015 Chris Boucher ranked 3 2014 Dwayane Benjamin ranked 3 If we got 2 kids ranked in between GP2 and KK in the same class and they pan out, that really isn't a bad haul at all.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 11, 2020 12:24:03 GMT -8
Here is the recruiting class for this coming season... Maurice Calloo - Went to Ok St. out of high school and averaged 2.5 ppg and 1.6 rpg as a Frosh. Kicked off the team mid season after being accused of vandalism. Went to a JC and averaged 9.1 ppg and 3.9 rebounds last year. Tariq Silver - Went to Eastern Michigan out of HS. Averaged 3.3 ppg. Transferred to a JC and averaged 12.1 ppg and 4.2 rpg last year. Offered by a bunch of non power 5 schools out of JC. Isaiah Johnson - 3 star HS player out of California. Offered by Pepperdine, Rutgers, UC Irvine, UTEP and WSU. Rodrigue Andela - JC player who averaged 12.4 ppg and 9 rpg last season. 24/7 shows Oregon St. as his only offer. Comments... I see a lot of posts talking about the stats of the incoming JC players. I don't remember what his stats or recruiting was out of JC, but I don't remember Gary Payton II putting up crazy numbers or being recruited by a lot of schools. I'm not saying any of these kids is going to become Payton II, but I'm also not sure that those are the best ways to look at JC players. Am I miss remembering or did OSU beat out a lot of big schools for Payton II? He had offers out of Arizona State, Seton Hall, and St. Mary's. He had official visits to Arizona State (I believe that they brought him down for the Wisconsin football game) and St. Mary's, but he signed with Oregon State.
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Post by alwaysorange on May 11, 2020 13:01:33 GMT -8
Lets be honest. We are going to suck this next year. And because WT has multiple years on his contract we are going to suck the following year too. With at most Ethan coming back WT still couldn't recruit. Quit blaming the three sons as the problem. The real problem WT can't recruit.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 11, 2020 13:36:02 GMT -8
Lets be honest. We are going to suck this next year. And because WT has multiple years on his contract we are going to suck the following year too. With at most Ethan coming back WT still couldn't recruit. Quit blaming the three sons as the problem. The real problem WT can't recruit. Yup. WT came from the Big Sky and that is the level he recruits at. It worked at Montana but in the Pac-12 you need to recruit at the level of the other conference teams. With a few exceptions, the players WT has recruited to OSU had offers from Big Sky, Mountain West and WCC type of programs. Until we have a coaching staff who can recruit at a higher level we will not win.
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