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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 9, 2020 12:27:43 GMT -8
Family or not, it will be a long, long, long time before we have another player who will "encumber" us like Tres Tinkle did. And the Thompsons, on the whole, were/are very productive players for us.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 9, 2020 13:01:03 GMT -8
I am amused that some have the attitude that now that the coaches kids are gone or close to being all gone the program will be better off. The coaches kids were clearly our best players and kept us at least respectable. Some seem to think the reason the coaches kids played the most minutes was because their Dads were the coaches. Ridicuolous, the reason they played was because they were clearly the best players. The coaches kids were not the problem, the problem was/is that the coaches have not been able to recruit enough Pac-12 level players.
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Post by billsaab on May 9, 2020 13:34:07 GMT -8
Seems correct to Me. I do not know whether to cast blame on Recruiting or investment. We seemed to be satisfied with Barely Winning. I doubt it will change. History tells Me that. Pretty much since Ralph. Never top 10 and rarely win half games in PAC 12.c
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Post by jrbeavo on May 9, 2020 14:03:49 GMT -8
Family or not, it will be a long, long, long time before we have another player who will "encumber" us like Tres Tinkle did. And the Thompsons, on the whole, were/are very productive players for us. And that got us to a level just below average. Tinkle was a good player and will be fondly remembered, but he did nothing remarkable and he did nothing that would leave a special legacy (other than compile big stats). Again, I like him, if he was our third or fourth best player we would have been awfully good. The point was made that we now get to see how Tinkle runs a program under conditions that 99% of other coaches operate.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 9, 2020 17:48:25 GMT -8
I am amused that some have the attitude that now that the coaches kids are gone or close to being all gone the program will be better off. The coaches kids were clearly our best players and kept us at least respectable. Some seem to think the reason the coaches kids played the most minutes was because their Dads were the coaches. Ridicuolous, the reason they played was because they were clearly the best players. The coaches kids were not the problem, the problem was/is that the coaches have not been able to recruit enough Pac-12 level players. They were our best players, but I really believe the fact that they were there (for several years each) and likely picking up the bulk of the minutes at 3 of the 5 positions likely influenced at least a few good players to NOT consider the Beavs.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 9, 2020 17:56:38 GMT -8
Family or not, it will be a long, long, long time before we have another player who will "encumber" us like Tres Tinkle did. And the Thompsons, on the whole, were/are very productive players for us. And that got us to a level just below average. Tinkle was a good player and will be fondly remembered, but he did nothing remarkable and he did nothing that would leave a special legacy (other than compile big stats). Again, I like him, if he was our third or fourth best player we would have been awfully good. The point was made that we now get to see how Tinkle runs a program under conditions that 99% of other coaches operate. Tinkle was a big part of Oregon State beating the dux three of the last 4 times they met. The dux were ranked 13th at the end, if the season had lasted one additional day and the Beavs had won, again, at least a few people might have remembered him as the kid who drug the team into postseason, possibly even the tourney. Of course there's no knowing, some people will say a loss that next day was a lock to justify their position that last season was a bad season.
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Post by jrbeavo on May 9, 2020 18:22:13 GMT -8
I am amused that some have the attitude that now that the coaches kids are gone or close to being all gone the program will be better off. The coaches kids were clearly our best players and kept us at least respectable. Some seem to think the reason the coaches kids played the most minutes was because their Dads were the coaches. Ridicuolous, the reason they played was because they were clearly the best players. The coaches kids were not the problem, the problem was/is that the coaches have not been able to recruit enough Pac-12 level players. They were our best players, but I really believe the fact that they were there (for several years each) and likely picking up the bulk of the minutes at 3 of the 5 positions likely influenced at least a few good players to NOT consider the Beavs. This is exactly the point. There was nothing wrong with them as players, but it was always strange how we have been simply unable to recruit any talent to Corvallis besides those three.
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Post by qbeaver on May 9, 2020 19:26:59 GMT -8
I expect a very competitive team...no im not drinking the orange Kool-aid. If Thompson comes back,we have an all Pac-12 talent. I really like the athleticism and versatility of our new recruits. Imo Tinkle is a solid coach,and not having to coach his son benefit this program playing the best players and getting back to a defense,rebounding,taking care of the ball MBB team. Stevie and Tres imo are fine players...don't get me wrong. Athletic long kids who can defend are the M/O for success going forward...
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 9, 2020 20:12:55 GMT -8
Family or not, it will be a long, long, long time before we have another player who will "encumber" us like Tres Tinkle did. And the Thompsons, on the whole, were/are very productive players for us. And that got us to a level just below average. Tinkle was a good player and will be fondly remembered, but he did nothing remarkable and he did nothing that would leave a special legacy (other than compile big stats). Again, I like him, if he was our third or fourth best player we would have been awfully good. The point was made that we now get to see how Tinkle runs a program under conditions that 99% of other coaches operate. So, he's essentially the Steve Courey, Jim Wilson, Chelle Flamoe or Tarrah Beyster of OSU basketball. Nothing remarkable, no special legacy, just stat compilers who helped their teams to a level just below average. but it was always strange how we have been simply unable to recruit any talent to Corvallis besides those three.
Didn't Gary Payton II and Drew Eubanks play in the NBA last year?
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Post by jrbeavo on May 9, 2020 21:27:24 GMT -8
And that got us to a level just below average. Tinkle was a good player and will be fondly remembered, but he did nothing remarkable and he did nothing that would leave a special legacy (other than compile big stats). Again, I like him, if he was our third or fourth best player we would have been awfully good. The point was made that we now get to see how Tinkle runs a program under conditions that 99% of other coaches operate. So, he's essentially the Steve Courey, Jim Wilson, Chelle Flamoe or Tarrah Beyster of OSU basketball. Nothing remarkable, no special legacy, just stat compilers who helped their teams to a level just below average. but it was always strange how we have been simply unable to recruit any talent to Corvallis besides those three.
Didn't Gary Payton II and Drew Eubanks play in the NBA last year? Gary Payton II was a legacy that fell into his lap. Eubanks was certainly not a blue chip recruit, but he was big and did improve. Legacies are made in March, not in December against UC Davis. Payton got us to the tourney at least. It is not that hard to make a field of 68...and a great player would get his team there at least once in four seasons. Again, not a slam on Tres who is a good player and a credit to our school as an athlete, a student and a citizen. We were lucky to have him, but lets not overstate his legacy or impact.
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Post by fridaynightlights on May 9, 2020 21:42:10 GMT -8
Here is the recruiting class for this coming season...
Maurice Calloo - Went to Ok St. out of high school and averaged 2.5 ppg and 1.6 rpg as a Frosh. Kicked off the team mid season after being accused of vandalism. Went to a JC and averaged 9.1 ppg and 3.9 rebounds last year.
Tariq Silver - Went to Eastern Michigan out of HS. Averaged 3.3 ppg. Transferred to a JC and averaged 12.1 ppg and 4.2 rpg last year. Offered by a bunch of non power 5 schools out of JC.
Isaiah Johnson - 3 star HS player out of California. Offered by Pepperdine, Rutgers, UC Irvine, UTEP and WSU.
Rodrigue Andela - JC player who averaged 12.4 ppg and 9 rpg last season. 24/7 shows Oregon St. as his only offer.
Comments...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 9, 2020 21:54:07 GMT -8
So, he's essentially the Steve Courey, Jim Wilson, Chelle Flamoe or Tarrah Beyster of OSU basketball. Nothing remarkable, no special legacy, just stat compilers who helped their teams to a level just below average. but it was always strange how we have been simply unable to recruit any talent to Corvallis besides those three.
Didn't Gary Payton II and Drew Eubanks play in the NBA last year? Gary Payton II was a legacy that fell into his lap. Eubanks was certainly not a blue chip recruit, but he was big and did improve. Legacies are made in March, not in December against UC Davis. Payton got us to the tourney at least. It is not that hard to make a field of 68...and a great player would get his team there at least once in four seasons. Again, not a slam on Tres who is a good player and a credit to our school as an athlete, a student and a citizen. We were lucky to have him, but lets not overstate his legacy or impact. Tres was a huge part of that Payton tournament team. So were Eubanks and Thompson. Payton alone did not get them there.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 9, 2020 23:17:09 GMT -8
So, he's essentially the Steve Courey, Jim Wilson, Chelle Flamoe or Tarrah Beyster of OSU basketball. Nothing remarkable, no special legacy, just stat compilers who helped their teams to a level just below average. but it was always strange how we have been simply unable to recruit any talent to Corvallis besides those three.
Didn't Gary Payton II and Drew Eubanks play in the NBA last year? Gary Payton II was a legacy that fell into his lap. Eubanks was certainly not a blue chip recruit, but he was big and did improve. Legacies are made in March, not in December against UC Davis. Payton got us to the tourney at least. It is not that hard to make a field of 68...and a great player would get his team there at least once in four seasons.
Again, not a slam on Tres who is a good player and a credit to our school as an athlete, a student and a citizen. We were lucky to have him, but lets not overstate his legacy or impact. IMHO, this is nonsense. Brent Barry was one of the best players in Oregon State history, and he not only never got Oregon State to the Tourney, he never played on a winning Beaver team. You judge players on their merits, not on their teams. Dan Marino was a great quarterback, despite the Dolphins. Hannibal Barca was a great general despite the Carthaginians.
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Post by qbeaver on May 10, 2020 7:44:38 GMT -8
Here is the recruiting class for this coming season... Maurice Calloo - Went to Ok St. out of high school and averaged 2.5 ppg and 1.6 rpg as a Frosh. Kicked off the team mid season after being accused of vandalism. Went to a JC and averaged 9.1 ppg and 3.9 rebounds last year. Tariq Silver - Went to Eastern Michigan out of HS. Averaged 3.3 ppg. Transferred to a JC and averaged 12.1 ppg and 4.2 rpg last year. Offered by a bunch of non power 5 schools out of JC. Isaiah Johnson - 3 star HS player out of California. Offered by Pepperdine, Rutgers, UC Irvine, UTEP and WSU. Rodrigue Andela - JC player who averaged 12.4 ppg and 9 rpg last season. 24/7 shows Oregon St. as his only offer. Comments... I personally like the athleticism of this class,and I'm hoping the kids who are getting a second shot at college will play with a chip on their shoulder...Silver,Calloo,and Alatisha in 2021/2022. I have watched film of all the recruits,and each could add a skill set to help win Pac-12 games... Calloo...is a long prospect who was highly recruited and talented. Silver...Good shooter to range. Something OSU MBB needs... Johnson...Elite athlete...can play both forward positions Andela...6-8 245 PF...much needed toughness. Solid rebounder.
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Post by jrbeavo on May 10, 2020 8:05:44 GMT -8
Gary Payton II was a legacy that fell into his lap. Eubanks was certainly not a blue chip recruit, but he was big and did improve. Legacies are made in March, not in December against UC Davis. Payton got us to the tourney at least. It is not that hard to make a field of 68...and a great player would get his team there at least once in four seasons.
Again, not a slam on Tres who is a good player and a credit to our school as an athlete, a student and a citizen. We were lucky to have him, but lets not overstate his legacy or impact. IMHO, this is nonsense. Brent Barry was one of the best players in Oregon State history, and he not only never got Oregon State to the Tourney, he never played on a winning Beaver team. You judge players on their merits, not on their teams. Dan Marino was a great quarterback, despite the Dolphins. Hannibal Barca was a great general despite the Carthaginians. I have often made the argument that Gary Payton is the third best basketball player in the history of the Pac (behind Alcindor and Walton). The lack of respect for his all around game is stunning to me. You never see his name listed anywhere on lists of great college players for a single reason...he never had any success in the tournament. When it comes right down to it, that is all that matters in college hoop. He at least got to the tournament, and was hardly surrounded by superstars. Our program has become such a perpetual also ran that I refuse to exalt era's of talent that almost got us to the NIT. We have been to the tournament ONCE in almost 30 years...that in and of itself is almost hard to do. There is no reason that we can't get better talent to Corvallis and my original point is that Tinkle now gets a year or two to see if that is possible without the sons playing (who I agree may have discouraged recruits from coming). Marino played in the playoffs at least ten times and made it to one Super Bowl.
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