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Post by zeroposter on Mar 14, 2020 21:03:01 GMT -8
My son is a Freshman at Oregon State , we live in Santa Rosa, CA. He took an on-line final yesterday and will be taking the rest of his finals early next week, also on-line. Yesterday, we changed his flight on Alaska (the PDX to Santa Rosa daily flight is awesome, by the way), and he's coming home Sunday. Alaska Air made the change for free, which was nice of them. Spring Term is going to start March 30 with all of the classes "on line". So, I'm thinking to myself, "should I pay Out of State tuition for on line classes? Will OSU provide some sort of discount for their Out of State students? Should I just have him enroll at Santa Rosa JC for Spring Term?" Uncertain times to be sure. The Oregon State online system charges the same for nonresidents as residents. The eprogram is ranked in the top 10 nationally for undergraduates. |
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 15, 2020 1:04:42 GMT -8
Just don't see how you can justify all Srs getting another year for postseason teams not playing. Do non participant tournament Srs get an extra year? Unless injured every Sr got 30+ games. So every D1, D2, etc get extra schollies for missing maybe one game? There's no real justification for an entire extra season. Life's full of disappointments. Not playing in a postseason is really not high on the list. And, really even starting this conversation in the midst of a national/worldwide health crisis is pretty shallow. Mikayla Pivec has been discussing and supporting the idea of BB seniors receiving extra playing time, more eligibility, or other remedial action from the NCAA (for example, listen to Canzano's podcast). She even says she would love to come back to OSU for a new chance to play in the tournament. So you are saying she is being shallow too? And, you are participating as well. So does this make you shallow too? Or is/are just the person or persons who first started "this conversation" the only ones who are shallow? |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 6:56:08 GMT -8
As we will all continue to discover in the upcoming weeks and months as we adjust our lives in response to the pandemic, providing hope and goals for people will be important. I recognize that many people will simply want the athletes to move on and accept what life has handed them.
I see nothing wrong with a discussion of this issue. It obviously means a great deal to a subset of athletes who face tremendous uncertainty right now. I am encouraged by the senior athletes who have spoken up when asked in favor of continuing their collegiate experience based upon the unfortunate circumstances. These student-athletes are having the final months of their educational experience play out over computers and remote learning. There is nothing wrong with supporting the possibility of a happier ending to their college experience in the classroom and on the court/arena. It isn't often in life when adults have the power to make things a little better for an affected group so quickly.
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Post by whocares on Mar 15, 2020 10:41:43 GMT -8
Would it be a happier ending for this years juniors who expected increased playing time next year but won't get it? My point is, no matter what you do, it'll impact some players negatively.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 15, 2020 10:57:15 GMT -8
Would it be a happier ending for this years juniors who expected increased playing time next year but won't get it? My point is, no matter what you do, it'll impact some players negatively. There is so many negatives I believe they outweigh the positives of "beloved" Srs getting more games/a postseason. Without even trying to think deeply about the issues that could arise... Recruits... those with skills to get immediate PT are now going to be severely limited on teams with a couple or more contributing Srs returning. Is that now a "wasted" year for them? Should it be? If a team does allow a certain number of Srs to return does the NCAA allow recruits to reopen recruiting based on signing a LOI under far different circumstances? In that case can a school deny Srs to return to keep recruits that might leave? And, what about Srs? Does a school have a right to allow all or do they get to hand pick those that actually will help the team win? In OSU's case... yes to Mik, but no to Thropay and/or Maddie? What kind of position does that put SR in? And, if schools can indeed pick and choose who gets to return, can Srs also pick and chose... like another school that wants them. Hence, is there recruiting of returning Srs under the guise of the portal? Different portal? And, that doesn't even touch on the underclassmen. Does everyone get an extra hoops season? The NCAA needs to treat this situation similarly to an injury with regards to the games played. In any other injury/illness where a player played 30+ games there would be no appeal. Clean simple and far less messy than trying to let Winter athletes get a postseason. Life happens. Unfortunate, but in the whole scheme of things not a life or death issue. Get on with your lives Srs. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 11:17:42 GMT -8
Baseba1111 makes a number of salient points that the NCAA would need to consider if extending the extra season opportunity for winter sports athletes. I won't attempt to address them all here, but will simply add that the dialogue is encouraging in that a number of prominent head coaches (Geno and Coach K) and administrators are advocating for doing so. That simple dialogue reflects that others who would be impacted by the logistics of making room for any "5th year seniors" are in support of allowing it to happen.
I would be an advocate of simply allowing the student-athletes to have the extra eligibility and not bind schools to have to take their own "5th year seniors" back unless they wanted to do so. Those for whom their schools did not want them back could go into the transfer portal to see if there was outside interest in them. Scholarship or not, there are athletes who would gladly want an additional chance to compete again on the collegiate stage. All I hope for is for those who want to continue to compete have that final opportunity, scholarship or not.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Mar 15, 2020 11:44:25 GMT -8
Tacit assumption being made in much of this discussion, especially pertaining to "give Seniors another year" is the notion that everything will somehow go back to "normal" come November.......when Senior hoopsters squint and imagine a reinstated senior year, they likely imagine something akin to their freshman, sophomore or junior season. Not sure if we are currently on a trend line where school is "business as usual" come September, with football season starting up in late August, and everyone returning to campus for Fall sports and practice.
Given that, it might be hard to know what the seniors are being reinstated for, or what sports in 2020-2021 look like. A lot of uncertainty right now.....
Go Beavers!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 11:58:56 GMT -8
Tacit assumption being made in much of this discussion, especially pertaining to "give Seniors another year" is the notion that everything will somehow go back to "normal" come November.......when Senior hoopsters squint and imagine a reinstated senior year, they likely imagine something akin to their freshman, sophomore or junior season. Not sure if we are currently on a trend line where school is "business as usual" come September, with football season starting up in late August, and everyone returning to campus for Fall sports and practice. Given that, it might be hard to know what the seniors are being reinstated for, or what sports in 2020-2021 look like. A lot of uncertainty right now..... Go Beavers! Very true. That is why I am advocating for simply the "hope" of playing again for your school to be restored. As I stated previously, hope can be a very powerful and motivating thing for people, especially those coming out of college now and facing a global economy that went from boom to doom in less than one month. Grad school makes a lot of sense for thousands of seniors right now who were planning on entering a vibrant job market in June. |
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Post by shelby on Mar 15, 2020 12:03:59 GMT -8
Given timing and unknowns , grad school is likely to br on-line , not in a physical classroom environment.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 12:17:39 GMT -8
Given timing and unknowns , grad school is likely to br on-line , not in a physical classroom environment. Yep. It is happening throughout the US during the upcoming spring term. Are there any major colleges in the US that aren't planning to have instruction conducted on-line until further notice? If there are, those colleges will be making their own announcements soon. Students at OSU are examining the logistics right now as to whether they can sublease their housing rentals and leave Corvallis to finish their spring term and degrees at home. My guess is that many out-of-state OSU student-athletes may never return to Corvallis with the likelihood that a graduation ceremony will not be held in June. |
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Post by mbabeav on Mar 15, 2020 12:37:51 GMT -8
Given timing and unknowns , grad school is likely to br on-line , not in a physical classroom environment. Yep. It is happening throughout the US during the upcoming spring term. Are there any major colleges in the US that aren't planning to have instruction conducted on-line until further notice? If there are, those colleges will be making their own announcements soon. Students at OSU are examining the logistics right now as to whether they can sublease their housing rentals and leave Corvallis to finish their spring term and degrees at home. My guess is that many out-of-state OSU student-athletes may never return to Corvallis with the likelihood that a graduation ceremony will not be held in June. I doubt much will change in Corvallis. If students are leaving for the term, who is going to be there to sublease to? Also if you are in the middle of a program, might be hard to find one that matches up so you are on the same graduation path. If you are talking about a single term, i believe most people will put up with one term inn town online. Oh, and foreign students aren't going to go home, they might not get back into the US. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2020 13:08:19 GMT -8
Again, the difficulty of giving senior winter-sport athletes another year of eligibility is the inability to fairly implement the process universally.
Player A played at Washington State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team was sub-.500 so she had no chance of postseason play. No more eligibility.
Player B played at Oregon State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team would have made postseason and thus she was guaranteed one more game. A complete year of eligibility.
That's patently unfair. Either every women's player gets another year of eligibility (even those who DID play an entire schedule), or none do. I vote none. They all played at least 85-90 percent (many played 100%) of their senior seasons.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 13:12:19 GMT -8
Yep. It is happening throughout the US during the upcoming spring term. Are there any major colleges in the US that aren't planning to have instruction conducted on-line until further notice? If there are, those colleges will be making their own announcements soon. Students at OSU are examining the logistics right now as to whether they can sublease their housing rentals and leave Corvallis to finish their spring term and degrees at home. My guess is that many out-of-state OSU student-athletes may never return to Corvallis with the likelihood that a graduation ceremony will not be held in June. I doubt much will change in Corvallis. If students are leaving for the term, who is going to be there to sublease to? Also if you are in the middle of a program, might be hard to find one that matches up so you are on the same graduation path. If you are talking about a single term, i believe most people will put up with one term inn town online. Oh, and foreign students aren't going to go home, they might not get back into the US. I disagree. I think lots will be changing in Corvallis. I think there will be fewer students physically in the area and therefore there will be significant financial impacts to Corvallis to small businesses and eateries who rely on the students. "Putting up" with one term on-line is a best case scenario. OSU students are evaluating all of their options now, including heading home to live with parents and attend community college from home. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 15, 2020 13:19:49 GMT -8
Again, the difficulty of giving senior winter-sport athletes another year of eligibility is the inability to fairly implement the process universally. Player A played at Washington State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team was sub-.500 so she had no chance of postseason play. No more eligibility. Player B played at Oregon State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team would have made postseason and thus she was guaranteed one more game. A complete year of eligibility. That's patently unfair. Either every women's player gets another year of eligibility (even those who DID play an entire schedule), or none do. I vote none. They all played at least 85-90 percent (many played 100%) of their senior seasons. I am glad that you don't have a vote. The NCAA tourney cancellation didn't impact you like it did a senior OSU student-athlete who trained years for the opportunity to play before family and friends at Gill Coliseum an attempt to bring a national title to a university and community that he/she embraced like a second home. We all are aware of individuals who would make the most of being given another chance to finish their careers without a cancellation to the national tournament that they worked so hard to qualify for. Why does it seem to bother you that a student-athlete might get that opportunity back? If the NCAA approves doing so, the parameters and logistics will be made clear by the NCAA with respect to how it impacts everyone with a dog in the fight. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2020 13:32:30 GMT -8
Again, the difficulty of giving senior winter-sport athletes another year of eligibility is the inability to fairly implement the process universally. Player A played at Washington State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team was sub-.500 so she had no chance of postseason play. No more eligibility. Player B played at Oregon State. She played 32 games, completed her postseason conference tournament, but her team would have made postseason and thus she was guaranteed one more game. A complete year of eligibility. That's patently unfair. Either every women's player gets another year of eligibility (even those who DID play an entire schedule), or none do. I vote none. They all played at least 85-90 percent (many played 100%) of their senior seasons. I am glad that you don't have a vote. The NCAA tourney cancellation didn't impact you like it did a senior OSU student-athlete who trained years for the opportunity to play before family and friends at Gill in an attempt to bring a national title to a community that he/she embraced like a second home. Why does it seem to bother you that a student-athlete might get that opportunity back? It doesn't "bother me." Whatever happens, happens, and it won't change my life. As I said, my objection is the rule could not be uniformly applied. It's sad what happened, but not sad enough that they should receive a complete repeat of their entire senior seasons. Not sad enough that a very, very small number of players, most of whom would have played only one or two more games, should receive a complete year of eligibility, while others who completed their seasons would not. Others, like yourself, obviously disagree. |
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