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Post by newduke2 on Mar 14, 2020 6:06:03 GMT -8
If you grant seniors another year of eligibility, or if you simply write off the season for all spring sports like they never happened, in effect giving every player an extra medical redshirt year, how do you accommodate next falls incoming freshmen in terms of scholarships when the only current players leaving would be those drafted and signed? As discussed earlier, the NCAA can issue a one-time (one season) increase in the number of scholarships allowed per school. Furthermore, they can accommodate next falls incoming freshmen by giving them legal authority to either rescind their letter of intent and reopen their recruitment or allow them to enter a pre-arrival transfer portal. So if the seniors are now staying and their playing time as freshmen is likely to be significantly less they can opt out and go to another school. What about sophomores who will be "hurt" in terms of PT due to unexpected senior carryover? answer: Transfer Portal. Ditto for juniors. |
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Post by whocares on Mar 14, 2020 7:27:30 GMT -8
Transfer to where? If all the WBB teams retain their seniors there would be few openings available unless the increase in scholarships was significant and the coach was willing to carry 16-18 players. There's truly no fair way to implement the extra year.
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Post by newduke2 on Mar 14, 2020 7:40:06 GMT -8
Transfer to where? If all the WBB teams retain their seniors there would be few openings available unless the increase in scholarships was significant and the coach was willing to carry 16-18 players. There's truly no fair way to implement the extra year. Ahh, the NCAA has the power to increase scholarship limits and adjust policies as I just wrote above, so I don't see the issue lacking fairness as you do. So the coach has an extra long bench for 1 year. Big deal. I bet most wouldn't mind this. Players who don't like it? Transfer portal. So there is an extra large number of talented players in the pool for 1 year...again, big deal. Talent pool fluctuates naturally year to year already. Even if one concedes that freshmen and other underclassmen would be slightly disadvantaged for one year, they still have time to make various adjustments, seniors who will miss out otherwise, do not. |
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Post by 411500 on Mar 14, 2020 7:54:55 GMT -8
Shifting gears: It's possible we will see an increased number of Frosh deciding to stay near home rather than to travel cross country to attend university.....
Parents might want their kids closer, and kids might want to stay closer to their household in case of who knows what.....
If your daughter from Oregon signed a letter of intent at, say Nothing Carolina, would you re-think your OSU offer to keep her closer to home?
Just a hypothetical, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 14, 2020 8:39:44 GMT -8
Shifting gears: It's possible we will see an increased number of Frosh deciding to stay near home rather than to travel cross country to attend university..... Parents might want their kids closer, and kids might want to stay closer to their household in case of who knows what..... If your daughter from Oregon signed a letter of intent at, say Nothing Carolina, would you re-think your OSU offer to keep her closer to home? Just a hypothetical, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out..... GO BEAVS !! I think this will be a significant occurrence should the impacts of the virus remain in play in August and September. If the learning is being conducted remotely nearly everywhere, incoming freshmen will be rethinking where they want to live. |
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Post by ornggnawer on Mar 14, 2020 8:39:57 GMT -8
Transfer to where? If all the WBB teams retain their seniors there would be few openings available unless the increase in scholarships was significant and the coach was willing to carry 16-18 players. There's truly no fair way to implement the extra year. Ahh, the NCAA has the power to increase scholarship limits and adjust policies as I just wrote above, so I don't see the issue lacking fairness as you do. So the coach has an extra long bench for 1 year. Big deal. I bet most wouldn't mind this. Players who don't like it? Transfer portal. So there is an extra large number of talented players in the pool for 1 year...again, big deal. Talent pool fluctuates naturally year to year already. Even if one concedes that freshmen and other underclassmen would be slightly disadvantaged for one year, they still have time to make various adjustments, seniors who will miss out otherwise, do not. Like this?  |
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Post by sonomabeav on Mar 14, 2020 8:44:06 GMT -8
My son is a Freshman at Oregon State , we live in Santa Rosa, CA. He took an on-line final yesterday and will be
taking the rest of his finals early next week, also on-line.
Yesterday, we changed his flight on Alaska (the PDX to Santa Rosa daily flight is awesome, by the way), and he's coming home Sunday. Alaska Air made the change for free, which was nice of them.
Spring Term is going to start March 30 with all of the classes "on line". So, I'm thinking to myself, "should I pay Out of State tuition for on line classes? Will OSU provide some sort of discount for their Out of State students? Should I just have him enroll at Santa Rosa JC for Spring Term?"
Uncertain times to be sure.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 14, 2020 8:44:31 GMT -8
The Beavs had 14 players on the '19-'20 roster. Ten were able to play by the end of the season, including one walk on.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 14, 2020 14:32:21 GMT -8
My son is a Freshman at Oregon State , we live in Santa Rosa, CA. He took an on-line final yesterday and will be taking the rest of his finals early next week, also on-line. Yesterday, we changed his flight on Alaska (the PDX to Santa Rosa daily flight is awesome, by the way), and he's coming home Sunday. Alaska Air made the change for free, which was nice of them. Spring Term is going to start March 30 with all of the classes "on line". So, I'm thinking to myself, "should I pay Out of State tuition for on line classes? Will OSU provide some sort of discount for their Out of State students? Should I just have him enroll at Santa Rosa JC for Spring Term?" Uncertain times to be sure. Depends... are you paying/stuck with room/board already? As a Frosh he might not like it, but if you are careful in picking the courses with the help of advisors making sure they indeed are transferable (100% is sometimes hard to guarantee with the human error)... JC is the smartest move for many reasons. I'm not sure why anyone would opt in for out of state costs for online courses only IF they can enroll in the needed prereqs that are guaranteed to transfer. However, I have a friend in the same situation. Daughter is one of the kids I tutor in Adv Math, she's out of state but from an area with a much higher rate if infection than Benton County. She's not even going home for Break. They feel out of state costs worth it for her not to travel home and be "more" exposed. As with the entire issue... no one knows what is right. You can only do the best you can, and not ever think "what if"... cuz you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
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Post by sparty on Mar 14, 2020 18:33:59 GMT -8
Ahh, the NCAA has the power to increase scholarship limits and adjust policies as I just wrote above, so I don't see the issue lacking fairness as you do. So the coach has an extra long bench for 1 year. Big deal. I bet most wouldn't mind this. Players who don't like it? Transfer portal. So there is an extra large number of talented players in the pool for 1 year...again, big deal. Talent pool fluctuates naturally year to year already. Even if one concedes that freshmen and other underclassmen would be slightly disadvantaged for one year, they still have time to make various adjustments, seniors who will miss out otherwise, do not. Like this? View Attachment |
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Post by sparty on Mar 14, 2020 18:35:32 GMT -8
Transfer to where? If all the WBB teams retain their seniors there would be few openings available unless the increase in scholarships was significant and the coach was willing to carry 16-18 players. There's truly no fair way to implement the extra year. Ahh, the NCAA has the power to increase scholarship limits and adjust policies as I just wrote above, so I don't see the issue lacking fairness as you do. So the coach has an extra long bench for 1 year. Big deal. I bet most wouldn't mind this. Players who don't like it? Transfer portal. So there is an extra large number of talented players in the pool for 1 year...again, big deal. Talent pool fluctuates naturally year to year already. Even if one concedes that freshmen and other underclassmen would be slightly disadvantaged for one year, they still have time to make various adjustments, seniors who will miss out otherwise, do not. |
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Post by sparty on Mar 14, 2020 18:41:02 GMT -8
Ahh, the NCAA has the power to increase scholarship limits and adjust policies as I just wrote above, so I don't see the issue lacking fairness as you do. So the coach has an extra long bench for 1 year. Big deal. I bet most wouldn't mind this. Players who don't like it? Transfer portal. So there is an extra large number of talented players in the pool for 1 year...again, big deal. Talent pool fluctuates naturally year to year already. Even if one concedes that freshmen and other underclassmen would be slightly disadvantaged for one year, they still have time to make various adjustments, seniors who will miss out otherwise, do not. . I don’t think it will happen |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Mar 14, 2020 19:44:17 GMT -8
It took Sparty three attempts to post that? He may want to go back and delete the first two to clean up the thread a bit.
It may indeed be an uphill battle to grant the additional season for winter sports seniors, but the fact that it remains under consideration according to insiders is a positive thing that I'm sure a lot of very disappointed seniors are still clinging to following the recent shock of the tournament cancellations.
Can the NCAA make it happen? Yes. Can the logistics be worked out? Yes.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Mar 14, 2020 19:56:05 GMT -8
It took Sparty three attempts to post that? He may want to go back and delete the first two to clean up the thread a bit. It may indeed be an uphill battle to grant the additional season for winter sports seniors, but the fact that it remains under consideration according to insiders is a positive thing that I'm sure a lot of very disappointed seniors are still clinging to following the recent shock of the tournament cancellations. Can the NCAA make it happen? Yes. Can the logistics be worked out? Yes. And learn how to use the quote function... We are the ncaa and we make our own rules, that according to a representative. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 14, 2020 20:03:16 GMT -8
Just don't see how you can justify all Srs getting another year for postseason teams not playing. Do non participant tournament Srs get an extra year?
Unless injured every Sr got 30+ games. So every D1, D2, etc get extra schollies for missing maybe one game? There's no real justification for an entire extra season. Life's full of disappointments. Not playing in a postseason is really not high on the list.
And, really even starting this conversation in the midst of a national/worldwide health crisis is pretty shallow.
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