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Post by nabeav on Feb 21, 2020 6:43:51 GMT -8
The ironic thing about Wayne complaining about freedom of movement and all that is that Arizona was called for three consecutive fouls guarding Tres immediately before he was tossed.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 7:15:46 GMT -8
If the goal of an oregon state men's basketball team is to win games and win enough to get into the ncaa tourney why would WT be kept as coach after this year? Unless you believe our lot in life is to be eighth, ninth, or worse in the league.
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Post by beaverbeliever on Feb 21, 2020 8:09:48 GMT -8
The ironic thing about Wayne complaining about freedom of movement and all that is that Arizona was called for three consecutive fouls guarding Tres immediately before he was tossed. That doesn't mean they didn't miss plenty before that. It's similar to how ASU's women's team plays - foul on every possession and trust that the officials can't call them all.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 21, 2020 8:15:19 GMT -8
If the goal of an oregon state men's basketball team is to win games and win enough to get into the ncaa tourney why would WT be kept as coach after this year? Unless you believe our lot in life is to be eighth, ninth, or worse in the league. Dude we finished 4th last season. We've finished 7th or better in half of his seasons as head coach. So no, I don't believe it's our "lot in life" to finish in the bottom quarter of the league every season if Wayne Tinkle continues to be our head coach.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 8:35:02 GMT -8
If the goal of an oregon state men's basketball team is to win games and win enough to get into the ncaa tourney why would WT be kept as coach after this year? Unless you believe our lot in life is to be eighth, ninth, or worse in the league. Dude we finished 4th last season. We've finished 7th or better in half of his seasons as head coach. So no, I don't believe it's our "lot in life" to finish in the bottom quarter of the league every season if Wayne Tinkle continues to be our head coach. If mediocrity is what you like then WT is your guy. By the way looking at next years roster expect 10th or worse. And that roster is completely on WT. The guy cannot recruit. If you don't have players then you'd better be a helluva coach. He isn't.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 21, 2020 8:56:13 GMT -8
Dude we finished 4th last season. We've finished 7th or better in half of his seasons as head coach. So no, I don't believe it's our "lot in life" to finish in the bottom quarter of the league every season if Wayne Tinkle continues to be our head coach. If mediocrity is what you like then WT is your guy. By the way looking at next years roster expect 10th or worse. And that roster is completely on WT. The guy cannot recruit. If you don't have players then you'd better be a helluva coach. He isn't. Wayne's teams at OSU have finished in the bottom quarter twice. You act like it's all the time. You predict 10th at best next year, yet you are wrong about the past. Might as well give him the year and see how things shake out.
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Post by joeavocado on Feb 21, 2020 9:01:38 GMT -8
Be honest, NO ONE expected this team to win a game on this road trip. Has anyone expected OSU to win a game in the desert in the past 25 years, regardless of the coach? This game was penciled in as a loss months ago, and went about as expected. I saw the halftime score and knew it was over. There are games you write off at the beginning of the season as losses and move on, the Arizona trip is two of those games. If for some reason OSU upsets a much improved ASU team, then what? Everyone swallows their pride and holds the fire Tinkle posts until the next loss? No one that OSU could afford to hire would have done much better than Tinkle has during his tenure.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 9:01:46 GMT -8
If mediocrity is what you like then WT is your guy. By the way looking at next years roster expect 10th or worse. And that roster is completely on WT. The guy cannot recruit. If you don't have players then you'd better be a helluva coach. He isn't. Wayne's teams at OSU have finished in the bottom quarter twice. You act like it's all the time. You predict 10th at best next year, yet you are wrong about the past. Might as well give him the year and see how things shake out. When there is an earthquake at sea and a few minutes later the water at the shoreline dramatically recedes you don't wait to see if a tsunami is coming. By the way looking at the bench who is replacing tinkle, Kelley, and Thompson next year?
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 9:08:02 GMT -8
Be honest, NO ONE expected this team to win a game on this road trip. Has anyone expected OSU to win a game in the desert in the past 25 years, regardless of the coach? This game was penciled in as a loss months ago, and went about as expected. I saw the halftime score and knew it was over. There are games you write off at the beginning of the season as losses and move on, the Arizona trip is two of those games. If for some reason OSU upsets a much improved ASU team, then what? Everyone swallows their pride and holds the fire Tinkle posts until the next loss? No one that OSU could afford to hire would have done much better than Tinkle has during his tenure. How about being competitive? They aren't. Sure they can beat Wyoming and Portland state. I'm not holding my pride. When or lose against ASU WT needs to go.
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Post by joeavocado on Feb 21, 2020 9:41:46 GMT -8
Be honest, NO ONE expected this team to win a game on this road trip. Has anyone expected OSU to win a game in the desert in the past 25 years, regardless of the coach? This game was penciled in as a loss months ago, and went about as expected. I saw the halftime score and knew it was over. There are games you write off at the beginning of the season as losses and move on, the Arizona trip is two of those games. If for some reason OSU upsets a much improved ASU team, then what? Everyone swallows their pride and holds the fire Tinkle posts until the next loss? No one that OSU could afford to hire would have done much better than Tinkle has during his tenure. How about being competitive? They aren't. Sure they can beat Wyoming and Portland state. I'm not holding my pride. When or lose against ASU WT needs to go. Fire Tinkle and then what? Hire someone from the Big Sky or Big West? OSU isn't going to get anyone any better with their current financial situation. Boosters are being pushed towards funding football first, as they should. You could do a lot worse than Tinkle (see: Jay John, Little Ritchie, Ernie Kent, Terry Porter, Eric Reveno, etc.), then what?
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Post by justheretoread on Feb 21, 2020 9:55:07 GMT -8
My first post and I honestly can’t believe I am choosing this topic for it...lol.
Tinkle seems like a great guy. I’ve met him a couple times as have friends of mine and he is really personable. I hope for nothing but good things for him.
Having said that, something is broken with this team. Lazy screens, and when a good screen is set the ball handlers don’t use them. Really no idea how to attack a zone. I mean, come on. Running a weave 40 feet from the basket for 25 seconds and then having Tinkle or Thompson go 1:1 is not an offense. And defense? Good lord. Any team capable of hitting open 3 pointers or with a modicum of athleticism is going to beat our D. Forget about rebounding, except for Tinkle and occasionally Hollins the rebounds we get are rarely the result of blocking out or even hustle.
All of these failings are things that can be attributed to personnel, but are also things that improve in practice. That is not happening and hasn’t happened over the past several years, regardless of record.
Something needs to change....
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Post by ochobeavo on Feb 21, 2020 9:57:53 GMT -8
Wow! Just under two pages of comments on today’s game. That’s pretty sad. Glad I was busy teaching. Any chance you teach basketball? Asking for a friend.
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Post by rafer on Feb 21, 2020 10:00:49 GMT -8
The ironic thing about Wayne complaining about freedom of movement and all that is that Arizona was called for three consecutive fouls guarding Tres immediately before he was tossed. TT was being literally mugged everytime down the court, did he lose it, yep, you bet, and it cost the team, but not the loss. If the refs are going to allow it, there will be more of it. TT needs to find a way to deal with it or others will do the same thing. On another note, Lucas can score!!
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Feb 21, 2020 10:10:14 GMT -8
“If we make the nit this season....” Who the f%#* cares about the nit? Really, the ni f%#*ing t? Maybe a couple of years ago to build experience, but this is a veteran god damn team. Hoping to make the nit is a losing mentality, not mediocrity. He'll be happy then. Of course depending on other teams, conference upsets, etc... OSU prob is in NIT from sites I've seen. Unless we tank and go 15-16 or the NC SOS is heavily weighted, I'm betting 17 Ws gets OSU in with 4-6th seed. Yippy... and to top it off we get to read about what a great accomplishment it is... first time since... 2 postseasons in 6... blah blah blah. Should OSU make the NIT as you say.. who was the last OSU coach before Tinkle to achieve an NCAA and NIT berth in a 5 season span?.. He's OSU's 6th? coach since 1990 and now many times did OSU make either one of those tournaments before he got here? Seems to me that is better than any OSU coach has done since Miller was here I know you'll probably say im accepting mediocrity... or that im giving him to much credit based on the bad past before him..Im sure you'll bring up the 20+ games below .500 in PAC 12 play or that the only reason OSU won 10 conference games last season was because the league was down.. or the only reason OSU made the NCAA in 2016 was all because of GPII... Doesn't he get any credit for his coaching at all?.. to read what the posters on here post you'd think his entire tenure to date has been a train wreck of nothing but 5-27 season's Any way thats my 2 cents..
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Post by tnarg33 on Feb 21, 2020 10:32:08 GMT -8
This is going to go the same as it always has. We're a competitive team. The fans think we should be more than competitive so we'll fire the coach, the team will go through two years of ho-hum need to get his guys in, cupboard was bare, new system etc. Then after some level of success we will level off to where we have been for literally the past 40 years and it will be time to fire that guys too. So I don't really care anymore about coaching changes. Pick a guy who isn't a piece of s%#t and let's roll with him.
At this point in OSU basketball it isn't accepting mediocrity it is accepting reality.
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