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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 21, 2020 14:04:03 GMT -8
Wait... your statement was WT's first roster... included GPII... was not as good/less firepower as what WT has returning next year! That's completely and utterly false unless you think someone on that list will match GPII's production? Your premise being... I guess... let's wait and see what WT does with this roster because it is better than '14-15 roster that finished higher than predicted??? And, you do know predictions are just that, and mean nothing as no one knew how good GPII would be and an actual finish depends on the state of the league as a whole and injuries to other teams etc. Your initial point is false. I'm pretty confident 99% of the folks who know hoops take Year 1 roster over Year 7 roster. And, the revisionist history of predictions and finishes don't really matter in today's Pac12. I hope WT hires you during his next job search. My point is we don't know what we have for year 7 yet. I'm not keen on what I know right now, but next season is next season, and what's left now is far more experienced than what we had then. BTW, you left Ethan off the list of players for next year. Is it a lock that he's gone? Has he been planning to transfer? Do you have inside information or is this just some rumor from here that your are perpetuating? Ok... do you remember your own posts? Your entire post was based on ET not returning! Something to the effect, "even if ET doesn't return..."
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 21, 2020 14:06:49 GMT -8
My point is we don't know what we have for year 7 yet. I'm not keen on what I know right now, but next season is next season, and what's left now is far more experienced than what we had then. BTW, you left Ethan off the list of players for next year. Is it a lock that he's gone? Has he been planning to transfer? Do you have inside information or is this just some rumor from here that your are perpetuating? Ok... do you remember your own posts? Your entire post was based on ET not returning! Something to the effect, "even if ET doesn't return..." OOps... time to start chugging coconut oil, ginko biloba or something. Sorry for the pointed questions. Anyway, I'll stand by my original post.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 21, 2020 14:15:04 GMT -8
Ok... do you remember your own posts? Your entire post was based on ET not returning! Something to the effect, "even if ET doesn't return..." OOps... time to start chugging coconut oil, ginko biloba or something. Sorry for the pointed questions. Anyway, I'll stand by my original post. And you should. It's your opinion/belief. Not asking you to change it and we both want OSU to be better.
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Post by mbabeav on Feb 21, 2020 15:09:43 GMT -8
Wonder if some of you managed salespeople if you would say something like "well salesman you didn't get the sale but you tried hard and that's what really counts" You wouldn't be a sales manager for long. Thats what got Wells Fargo in deep sh!t. 2nd prize is a set of steak knives
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 21, 2020 15:20:46 GMT -8
Thats what got Wells Fargo in deep sh!t. 2nd prize is a set of steak knives The leads are WEAK!
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 15:58:25 GMT -8
I was at university of montana when Wayne Tinkle coached there. He was 1 year from getting fired then got hot for 3 years and won the big sky and made it to the tournament. Then got blitzed by other coaches. Totally out coached at that level. Syracuse hammered us by 48. It was embarrassing. If Osu was smart, fire Tinkle and hire the current grizzly coach. Travis Decuire. That guy is good. When Montana made it to the tourney 2 years. They gave Michagin a ton of trouble. He is going to be picked up by someone soon. He can coach and recruit. Just my opinion. Forget suggesting tinkle be replaced. Some on this board think tinkle is the second coming. Some think tinkle is the best that osu can get ever. I guess those same people expect the AD to grant another extension soon. I mean we wouldnt want to lose the best coach we could possibly have. Speaking of tinkle at Montana I'd be happy if He got hot for one year
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Post by tnarg33 on Feb 21, 2020 16:36:48 GMT -8
I was at university of montana when Wayne Tinkle coached there. He was 1 year from getting fired then got hot for 3 years and won the big sky and made it to the tournament. Then got blitzed by other coaches. Totally out coached at that level. Syracuse hammered us by 48. It was embarrassing. If Osu was smart, fire Tinkle and hire the current grizzly coach. Travis Decuire. That guy is good. When Montana made it to the tourney 2 years. They gave Michagin a ton of trouble. He is going to be picked up by someone soon. He can coach and recruit. Just my opinion. Forget suggesting tinkle be replaced. Some on this board think tinkle is the second coming. Some think tinkle is the best that osu can get ever. I guess those same people expect the AD to grant another extension soon. I mean we wouldnt want to lose the best coach we could possibly have. Speaking of tinkle at Montana I'd be happy if He got hot for one year Not saying Wayne is good, not saying he’s bad. Saying 40 years of results suggests it isn’t going to matter. Absolutely if you think a guy can do better then hire him. Just don’t be surprised to do it again 5 years from now. I don’t see our hoops team ever being what it seems like some of you want it to be. So the argument to fire WT should be totally monetary because we can get same results for cheaper. The results aren’t gonna change though. They never have in my lifetime. And all the Ralph Miller stans can remember that he didn’t believe in bounce passes but he sure got bounced from the tourney by lower seeds pretty regularly
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 17:19:34 GMT -8
Washington state sucked in basketball for quite a while then they went big. They hired Dick Bennett who brought with him his son tony Bennett. The six years those two coached were pretty good basketball for Washington state basketball. Coaching matters.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Feb 21, 2020 18:40:55 GMT -8
Washington state sucked in basketball for quite a while then they went big. They hired Dick Bennett who brought with him his son tony Bennett. The six years those two coached were pretty good basketball for Washington state basketball. Coaching matters. Dick was a successful Big 10 coach who won about a third of his games at WSU over a three year timespan, not one winning season. Tony did have 2 great years, then one year that was almost as good as last year's Beavers did (but were awarded a NIT trip) and then was gone. Since then no WSU coach has done as well as Tinkle has here. Even Kent, who had success with the ducks. You've got to go back to Kelvin Samson (26 years ago) to find a coach, outside of Tony (who left at the first chance) that topped Tinkle's performance here. 2-3 good years in 26 then gone. Pac 12 coaches call OSU and WSU the 2 most difficult jobs in the league and apparently some people here think it would be easy to hire our way out of that. Good luck.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 19:08:44 GMT -8
Apparently to some WT is due a contract for life. After all he is the best we can do.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 21, 2020 19:53:17 GMT -8
Washington state sucked in basketball for quite a while then they went big. They hired Dick Bennett who brought with him his son tony Bennett. The six years those two coached were pretty good basketball for Washington state basketball. Coaching matters. Dick was a successful Big 10 coach who won about a third of his games at WSU over a three year timespan, not one winning season. Tony did have 2 great years, then one year that was almost as good as last year's Beavers did (but were awarded a NIT trip) and then was gone. Since then no WSU coach has done as well as Tinkle has here. Even Kent, who had success with the ducks. You've got to go back to Kelvin Samson (26 years ago) to find a coach, outside of Tony (who left at the first chance) that topped Tinkle's performance here. 2-3 good years in 26 then gone. Pac 12 coaches call OSU and WSU the 2 most difficult jobs in the league and apparently some people here think it would be easy to hire our way out of that. Good luck. You use facts in a way to only support your viewpoint. Dick Bennett used those three years to build the program for Tony. The state of the WSU was such that 13-16/7-11... 12-16/7-11... 13-17/4-14 set up the roster for Tony's 1st year 26-8/13-5. Funny inherited players or lack thereof is big to you until it doesn't suit your story. WSU was 7-20/2-16... 6-21/1-17 the two seasons before Dick Bennett... far far worse than OSU was when WT took over. But, you forgot that part in you little justification. Dick did an amazing job to set up his son's future. Any comparison between him and WT is trash. He's twice the coach, teacher, and recruiter than WT ever thought of being. If OSU could land a "Dick Bennett" we'd be very very lucky... and far more successful.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 21, 2020 20:00:54 GMT -8
Its tough for WT fans to face reality.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 22, 2020 7:23:01 GMT -8
I think that’s the point. OSU would be VERY LUCKY to get a Dick Bennett.
Washington State also has an athletics debt approaching $100M with no real plan to pay it back. At some point that bill will be due. Projections have seven teams in the PAC-12 making a postseason tournament. We are one of them. That places us in the top half of the league. We are going to fire a coach over that?
We’ve discussed this before: there are two ways to keep coaches: more money and/or longer contracts. We consistently pay our coaches in men’s basketball and football on the lower end of the PAC-12 spectrum. The only way to keep them is to tack years onto the end of their deals. It’s what we did with Riley, and we saved a boatload of money doing it that way. Unfortunately it’s resulted in extensions being handed out before they were warranted (LaVonda Wagner, Craig Robinson, etc.) - and it’s why Wayne’s contract runs for three more seasons I believe.
I don’t think Wayne is the best coach we can get. But unless you can find a coach you can guarantee will offset the additional $7M+ it’s going to take to get him out of his contract, I completely understand why no change will be made, and I would agree with that decision. If we are going all in on football, let’s do that and worry about MBB when we’ve got the football train rolling.
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Post by beaverinohio on Feb 22, 2020 20:32:02 GMT -8
Washington State also has an athletics debt approaching $100M with no real plan to pay it back. At some point that bill will be due. Projections have seven teams in the PAC-12 making a postseason tournament. We are one of them. That places us in the top half of the league. We are going to fire a coach over that? . Did Pac 12 become Pac 14 when I wasn’t looking? If the Beavs make NIT, given that they are near the bottom of the conference standings they’d be the seventh of those 7 teams, which does not place them in top half of the league. And given there are 10 teams above Beavs in conference standings (granted 3 are only a half game ahead so by tomorrow that might change), hard to say Beavs are in top half of league. But I appreciate the mathematic gymnastics.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 22, 2020 20:41:57 GMT -8
Washington State also has an athletics debt approaching $100M with no real plan to pay it back. At some point that bill will be due. Projections have seven teams in the PAC-12 making a postseason tournament. We are one of them. That places us in the top half of the league. We are going to fire a coach over that? . Did Pac 12 become Pac 14 when I wasn’t looking? If the Beavs make NIT, given that they are near the bottom of the conference standings they’d be the seventh of those 7 teams, which does not place them in top half of the league. And given there are 10 teams above Beavs in conference standings (granted 3 are only a half game ahead so by tomorrow that might change), hard to say Beavs are in top half of league. But I appreciate the mathematic gymnastics. The same dance used on salary. 39th in country, but lower part of Pac12, hence we're/OSU getting our money's worth.
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