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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2020 21:09:57 GMT -8
Well said. Bottom line many here and in Gill hope for a better coach... whether it be Wayne or someone new. If the excuses would stop, and those folks would just simply say this 4 year progression is NOT acceptable! We want/expect better in several areas it'd be a welcome respite. Of course 33% less posts. 4 year progression... 1)Super crappy year. 2)Decent-ish year. Not horrible, not great. 3)Better year, not great, should have been in the NIT, several lesser teams got in. 4)Similar to most recent year but the entire league is stronger, not over yet... and looking more likely for the NIT. You confuse outcomes vs what is happening to limit those. They've been discussed to death. W's would come if even half the rest was improved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 21:23:38 GMT -8
Well said. Bottom line many here and in Gill hope for a better coach... whether it be Wayne or someone new. If the excuses would stop, and those folks would just simply say this 4 year progression is NOT acceptable! We want/expect better in several areas it'd be a welcome respite. Of course 33% less posts. 4 year progression... 1)Super crappy year. 2)Decent-ish year. Not horrible, not great. 3)Better year, not great, should have been in the NIT, several lesser teams got in. 4)Similar to most recent year but the entire league is stronger, not over yet... and looking more likely for the NIT. Can 1)Super crappy year be included when so many people want to call it an outlier?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2020 21:31:46 GMT -8
4 year progression... 1)Super crappy year. 2)Decent-ish year. Not horrible, not great. 3)Better year, not great, should have been in the NIT, several lesser teams got in. 4)Similar to most recent year but the entire league is stronger, not over yet... and looking more likely for the NIT. Can 1)Super crappy year be included when so many people want to call it an outlier? Yep. It was super crappy and an outlier.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2020 21:33:14 GMT -8
Can 1)Super crappy year be included when so many people want to call it an outlier? Yep. It was super crappy and an outlier. Only on your and few others opinions. Injuries happen... not an outlier.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2020 21:54:20 GMT -8
Yep. It was super crappy and an outlier. Only on your and few others opinions. Injuries happen... not an outlier. At worse this year is 6 league wins (which I agree is not good), in a year you say the league is up. Tinkle has had 1 year in 5 so far, maybe or maybe not 6 years come the end of the week, that he has been out of the top 8 teams in the league. Considering how few times the Beavers have been outside the bottom 2 or 3 in the league the last 26-28 years he's doing pretty darned well. With the amount of support the basketball team has been getting I'd say being in the middle-ish quadrant of the league isn't all that bad. Too bad they won tonight against a team with a 25 NET, it doesn't bolster your arguments.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2020 21:58:47 GMT -8
Only on your and few others opinions. Injuries happen... not an outlier. At worse this year is 6 league wins (which I agree is not good), in a year you say the league is up. Tinkle has had 1 year in 5 so far, maybe 6 years come the end of the week, that he has been out of the top 8 teams in the league. Considering how few times the Beavers have been outside the bottom 2 or 3 in the league the last 26-28 years he's doing pretty darned well. Too bad they won tonight against a team with a 25 NET, it doesn't bolster your arguments. As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2020 22:03:28 GMT -8
At worse this year is 6 league wins (which I agree is not good), in a year you say the league is up. Tinkle has had 1 year in 5 so far, maybe 6 years come the end of the week, that he has been out of the top 8 teams in the league. Considering how few times the Beavers have been outside the bottom 2 or 3 in the league the last 26-28 years he's doing pretty darned well. Too bad they won tonight against a team with a 25 NET, it doesn't bolster your arguments. As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter? You know, I think rating which Tinkle daughter is cuter would really be a sign of how low some posters on this board would be willing to go.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2020 22:05:43 GMT -8
As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter? You know, I think rating which Tinkle daughter is cuter would really be a sign of how low some posters on this board would be willing to go. Lol... yeah terrible. Wow...
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Post by nabeav on Mar 5, 2020 22:15:55 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 5, 2020 22:16:27 GMT -8
You know, I think rating which Tinkle daughter is cuter would really be a sign of how low some posters on this board would be willing to go. Lol... yeah terrible. Wow... To be fair... if I were one on one with you and had a couple drinks in me, I'd probably go there if there was an inquiry, but it's really not an appropriate topic here.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 5, 2020 22:42:48 GMT -8
At worse this year is 6 league wins (which I agree is not good), in a year you say the league is up. Tinkle has had 1 year in 5 so far, maybe 6 years come the end of the week, that he has been out of the top 8 teams in the league. Considering how few times the Beavers have been outside the bottom 2 or 3 in the league the last 26-28 years he's doing pretty darned well. Too bad they won tonight against a team with a 25 NET, it doesn't bolster your arguments. As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter? It’s funny how when we win, you claim it’s in despite of the coaching, yet when we lose it’s only WT’s fault.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 5, 2020 23:11:18 GMT -8
As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter? It’s funny how when we win, you claim it’s in despite of the coaching, yet when we lose it’s only WT’s fault. Not true. Definitive generalities typically aren't. But, not a surprising post from you. Not sure I've really chatted too much about individual wins/losses and fault. I'm more concerned about the overall program and how it effects Ws and Ls. And, as I posted... it was "stated"... if reading the thread you'd know, previously tonight... about decisions etc... not by me. So, why is it when you post it's like a loss? And, when you don't a W bigger than tonight's?
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 6, 2020 7:03:20 GMT -8
As stated... players won. Overcame some dumb ass decisions. And... it amazes me someone intelligent enough to type posts doesn't get outcomes vs process. Ws are but a small component of the WT discussion. Besides, we beat Furd on the road, was this unexpected at home? Maybe we agree on which daughter is cuter? It’s funny how when we win, you claim it’s in despite of the coaching, yet when we lose it’s only WT’s fault. It’s “in spite of” or “despite.” A judge should know better.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 6, 2020 7:51:47 GMT -8
It’s funny how when we win, you claim it’s in despite of the coaching, yet when we lose it’s only WT’s fault. It’s “in spite of” or “despite.” A judge should know better. Sorry, typing too fast. I just find it funny that coaching was brought up in this game. I thought it was one of the better coached games that I've seen from WT. He made a lot of good calls during the game. The substitution pattern was good and he was smart enough in the first half to put Tucker in when da Silva was blowing by Kelly and Silva. He also gave 20+ minutes to Hunt in place of Hollins which gave us more quickness on the floor. Also, the switch to a zone at the end was the right call. Terry and Davis were starting to blow by us on the dribble and we did not have anyone that was going to stop them down the stretch. You could question going to a 1-3-1 instead of a 2-3, but the couple of easy baskets given up in the middle were due to player execution. Tres tried to draw a charge and flopped opening up the zone and another time we had a player go for a steal that left the middle wide open. Yes, they came back at the end, but that was due to bad shot selection by some of our players. Overall, I thought WT coached a solid game.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 6, 2020 8:35:31 GMT -8
It’s “in spite of” or “despite.” A judge should know better. Sorry, typing too fast. I just find it funny that coaching was brought up in this game. I thought it was one of the better coached games that I've seen from WT. He made a lot of good calls during the game. The substitution pattern was good and he was smart enough in the first half to put Tucker in when da Silva was blowing by Kelly and Silva. He also gave 20+ minutes to Hunt in place of Hollins which gave us more quickness on the floor. Also, the switch to a zone at the end was the right call. Terry and Davis were starting to blow by us on the dribble and we did not have anyone that was going to stop them down the stretch. You could question going to a 1-3-1 instead of a 2-3, but the couple of easy baskets given up in the middle were due to player execution. Tres tried to draw a charge and flopped opening up the zone and another time we had a player go for a steal that left the middle wide open. Yes, they came back at the end, but that was due to bad shot selection by some of our players. Overall, I thought WT coached a solid game. I didn't read the entire thread so I have no frame of reference for your complaints about coaching complaints during/after this game. I offer up that people's general frustration with the coaching job all season could have easily shaded their comments during the game.
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