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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 12:42:40 GMT -8
GP was already a legend for me though while at OSU. Watching him wag is finger directing traffic as a PG, totally disrupting the opposition offense, his bulldog attitude and doing things like going for 58 against USC were just unreal. That's a very high bar he set. That said, Tres' performance in our win of UO this season was pretty darn memorable - if this was a tourney team with that win being part of our high seeding portfolio, that performance would feel a lot more legendary. GP was also a legend at starting fights at parties around campus. Not sure that is the case with Tres.
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 10, 2020 12:45:01 GMT -8
GP was already a legend for me though while at OSU. Watching him wag is finger directing traffic as a PG, totally disrupting the opposition offense, his bulldog attitude and doing things like going for 58 against USC were just unreal. That's a very high bar he set. That said, Tres' performance in our win of UO this season was pretty darn memorable - if this was a tourney team with that win being part of our high seeding portfolio, that performance would feel a lot more legendary. GP was also a legend at starting fights at parties around campus. Not sure that is the case with Tres. I was a student coinciding with GP's years at OSU and have never heard this. Met him at a party once. No fight there.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 12:46:06 GMT -8
GP was also a legend at starting fights at parties around campus. Not sure that is the case with Tres. I was a student coinciding with GP's years at OSU and have never heard this. Met him at a party once. No fight there. I was a student at the same time as well. Witnessed 2 fights that we instigated by him. Also had a class with him. He made one appearance the whole term.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 10, 2020 14:41:55 GMT -8
This may be looked at as kind of a dumb comment/question, but I kind of wonder if the position Tres played minimizes how some look at him. Tres is basically a 6'7" small forward who largely played a hybrid small/power forward here. I'm wondering if when people start thinking of "all time greats" they might tend to think of the great point guard, the great shooting 2, the dominant center or the big bruising power forward moreso than small forwards? Personally, when I think of all time greats in college or the NBA I tend to not think of the small forwards quite so much, I think of Havlicek (who was a hybrid small forward/shooting guard) and that's about it. I'm not saying he's one of our all time greats, but he's been a very good player for us since the day he got here and would readily fit in the top 10/12/15 discussion of OSU players in my memory (call it from the 70's on). Lebron just laughed at your post on behalf of all small forwards. At 6'9" 250 hes hardly a prototype small forward and frankly doesn't come to mind for me as such. He's listed as a "Power Forward and Point Guard and Small Forward and Shooting Guard" on Basketball Reference's site. He and Magic were pretty much in a league of their own no matter what position they played.
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Post by beaver1 on Mar 10, 2020 14:52:10 GMT -8
Also was at OSU when Gary was there. Also had a class with him and had the same experience with mostly not there, but absolutely no fighting at parties. Never saw it, never heard about it.
He was really fun to watch!!! Not sure if he ever did go back and get his degree or not?
Tres is just a different player and having your dad as coach, not a lot of flexibility with finger wagging and smack talk!
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 14:53:07 GMT -8
Lebron just laughed at your post on behalf of all small forwards. At 6'9" 250 hes hardly a prototype small forward and frankly doesn't come to mind for me as such. He's listed as a "Power Forward and Point Guard and Small Forward and Shooting Guard" on Basketball Reference's site. He and Magic were pretty much in a league of their own no matter what position they played. He was listed as a SF when he came into the league. OK, then how about Bird, Dr. J, Elgin Baylor, Kevin Durant, Pippen or Kawhi?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 10, 2020 16:05:13 GMT -8
At 6'9" 250 hes hardly a prototype small forward and frankly doesn't come to mind for me as such. He's listed as a "Power Forward and Point Guard and Small Forward and Shooting Guard" on Basketball Reference's site. He and Magic were pretty much in a league of their own no matter what position they played. He was listed as a SF when he came into the league. OK, then how about Bird, Dr. J, Elgin Baylor, Kevin Durant, Pippen or Kawhi? I'm not saying they don't exist, for me, if I'm making a list of 15-20 GOATs it's probably skewed towards the other positions. Must not be the case for you unless you took time to specifically think of small forwards. Bird is another power forward who played some small forward. Elgin would be somewhere near the top of my list of best players ever
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Post by TheGlove on Mar 10, 2020 16:19:16 GMT -8
He was listed as a SF when he came into the league. OK, then how about Bird, Dr. J, Elgin Baylor, Kevin Durant, Pippen or Kawhi? I'm not saying they don't exist, for me, if I'm making a list of 15-20 GOATs it's probably skewed towards the other positions. Must not be the case for you unless you took time to specifically think of small forwards. Bird is another power forward who played some small forward. Elgin would be somewhere near the top of my list of best players ever I think of Bird as a 3. The front court of Bird, McHale, and Parrish for the Celtics.
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Post by beaverdreams on Mar 10, 2020 16:31:20 GMT -8
GeePee was a senior when I was a freshman. You loved him cause he was on our team, but back in those days he ran with a lil bit of an intimidating crowd around town. A couple upperclassmen in my frat worked as bouncers at OM's and told LEGENDARY stories about Gary.....he was 86'd from more than one bar on campus.
That aside.....he controlled the game like no other...never seen anything like it. He was such a presence....he willed the team to conference championship in 1990.... No disrespect to Tres, as I have TONS of respect for him, but he's nowhere near the influence on a game that Gary was. Ask George Raveling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 17:07:37 GMT -8
GP was already a legend for me though while at OSU. Watching him wag is finger directing traffic as a PG, totally disrupting the opposition offense, his bulldog attitude and doing things like going for 58 against USC were just unreal. That's a very high bar he set. That said, Tres' performance in our win of UO this season was pretty darn memorable - if this was a tourney team with that win being part of our high seeding portfolio, that performance would feel a lot more legendary. GP was also a legend at starting fights at parties around campus. Not sure that is the case with Tres. Tres is a better member of the community and not 10 percent the player. That's important but has nothing to do with his abilities on the court. Tres is sean manion a good kid overrated with lots of records other than winning
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 17:34:53 GMT -8
He was listed as a SF when he came into the league. OK, then how about Bird, Dr. J, Elgin Baylor, Kevin Durant, Pippen or Kawhi? I'm not saying they don't exist, for me, if I'm making a list of 15-20 GOATs it's probably skewed towards the other positions. Must not be the case for you unless you took time to specifically think of small forwards. Bird is another power forward who played some small forward. Elgin would be somewhere near the top of my list of best players ever Bird was a small forward his whole career.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 17:37:02 GMT -8
GP was also a legend at starting fights at parties around campus. Not sure that is the case with Tres. Tres is a better member of the community and not 10 percent the player. That's important but has nothing to do with his abilities on the court. Tres is sean manion a good kid overrated with lots of records other than winning Not even 10%? You been hitting the “Pendleton” a little hard?
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 10, 2020 17:38:07 GMT -8
GeePee was a senior when I was a freshman. You loved him cause he was on our team, but back in those days he ran with a lil bit of an intimidating crowd around town. A couple upperclassmen in my frat worked as bouncers at OM's and told LEGENDARY stories about Gary.....he was 86'd from more than one bar on campus. That aside.....he controlled the game like no other...never seen anything like it. He was such a presence....he willed the team to conference championship in 1990.... No disrespect to Tres, as I have TONS of respect for him, but he's nowhere near the influence on a game that Gary was. Ask George Raveling. Yes, he liked to start fights and let his crew finish them.
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Post by seastape on Mar 10, 2020 18:42:48 GMT -8
I was analyzing my own sentiments towards Tres' legacy at OSU, which is definitely not on par with where his numbers put him. For instance, he ranks well below GP in my view, even though the numbers wouldn't put them in a different company outside of W/Ls, but of course GP went to 3 tourneys and one NIT, and TT will likely be 1 tourney and 1 NIT at best. I'm not sure about supporting cast comparisons, both were pretty good at times, pretty weak at other times in their 4 years. But then I think about Klay Thompson at WSU. 3 years, ZERO NCAA tourneys and 1 NIT, all bottom-half Pac-12 finishes (one cellar year). That's 3 years of a future HOF NBA player, will go down as one of the greatest shooters in the game ever, NBA all-defensive player, and they still couldn't get to a single tournament with him there in 3 years (very different story for Steph at a mid-major in terms of postseason highlights). Klay went on to an NBA career on par with GP, yet WSU really has nothing to show for his time there other than Klay's personal accomplishments. It wasn't like the PAC-12 was burtal during his time either 4 teams made the tournament his junior year. His college career feels very similar to Tres' in many respects (albeit not expecting the pro career. upside for TT). Bottom line, I think Tres will be remembered more fondly than he was appreciated during his time at OSU, and it's really just due to the dearth of fond post-season memories. But that's pretty sad really, imagine not enjoying Klay while he was at OSU... that was a pretty rare opportunity for those fans. This is an interesting perspective, but for me, I like to keep college and pro careers separate when possible. The fact that Klay has had big NBA success doesn't change what he did in college. Same for Tres, although probably the reverse of Klay. Agreed 1000 times over. Prime example: Mike Hass. He couldn't make it in the pros but is one of the best college wide receivers in history. One has little or nothing to do with the other.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 19:17:12 GMT -8
Tres is a better member of the community and not 10 percent the player. That's important but has nothing to do with his abilities on the court. Tres is sean manion a good kid overrated with lots of records other than winning Not even 10%? You been hitting the “Pendleton” a little hard? Na I just thinks its embarrassing to bring up GPs supposed life off court in an attempt to elevate tres. Its actually an insult to tinkle I'm sure he would be a bit disgusted by it
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