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Post by qbeaver on Feb 17, 2020 9:13:45 GMT -8
I certainly don't have all the answers...currently we are 19-6 and a top 16 team missing four front line players,and are playing a bench player or two who aren't Pac-12 players. If Corosdale and Brown were healthy,I think it's quite possible we would be 21-4 and be a top ten team,in a league that is the best in the country...atleast the top half.
Do we need to recruit elite players? We certainly have tried to get impact players and the competition are the blue bloods of wbb. We lost Kiana Williams to Stanford,Ionescu to uo,and Hebert and Sebally to uo. In addition,some elite athletes are not a good fit for osu. One of the reasons we have been successful is chemistry and players playing unselfishly. It does matter...
The style of the Scott Rueck program is fine. He is getting the right kind of athletes,and if we add Goforth,Samuel,Mitrovic,Corosdale and maybe a late addition,I think we will compete at a very high level in a tough conference. This program and culture is great...we have hit a bit of a bump in the road,and if osu can stay healthy going forward,we will be excited about the product we see on the court...jmo
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 17, 2020 11:35:48 GMT -8
I'm kind of surprised that Maddie never developed any perimeter skills. When she committed, I pretty much thought that we were getting a big, strong, slashing wing, or an athletic face-up four. She was ranked top-100 by most recruiting services as a wing/forward, but seems like her game never really developed or translated.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 17, 2020 11:53:11 GMT -8
I'm kind of surprised that Maddie never developed any perimeter skills. When she committed, I pretty much thought that we were getting a big, strong, slashing wing, or an athletic face-up four. She was ranked top-100 by most recruiting services as a wing/forward, but seems like her game never really developed or translated. I think with the number and quality of guards in the program (including Wiese, Hanson, McWilliams, Kalmer, Pivec, and Tudor) during Washington's frosh season, she probably saw life as a 4 as her best she chance of getting minutes and seeing the floor sooner rather than later. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 17, 2020 12:38:40 GMT -8
Maddie was needed at post. So she worked on her skills for that and bulked herself up to be as effective there as possible. This doesn't give her much opportunity to work on the rest of her game.
Janessa broke her finger last year so she missed most of it. I think she may be on cruise control this season. But more to the point, in SR's offense the play is directed toward getting person X open and they are the shooter. If the play isn't set up for you then you don't shoot.
This set up is annoying for the fans who see someone open, but is part of the reason for the Beav's rebounding success. If you know who and when the shot is going to be made then you know when to go for the rebound.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 17, 2020 12:45:48 GMT -8
But more to the point, in SR's offense the play is directed toward getting person X open and they are the shooter. If the play isn't set up for you then you don't shoot. This set up is annoying for the fans who see someone open, but is part of the reason for the Beav's rebounding success. If you know who and when the shot is going to be made then you know when to go for the rebound. There appears to be truth to what you have stated. OSU players (even proven shooters) often pass up open looks because the primary option on a given play appears to be another teammate. I would rather see a free flowing offense in which a player has the green light to take an open shot. There are times to work the shot clock, but passing up open shots often results in unnecessary turnovers when an open shot is passed up by a quality shooter. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 17, 2020 12:46:10 GMT -8
This disaster started when TC went down! ”Disaster”? Seems a little dramatic. |
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Post by 76spirit on Feb 17, 2020 12:57:18 GMT -8
Totally agree that if Taya and Kennedy are on the floor we’d be in the top 10 mix.
Racial diversity is a challenge for all Northwest teams not based in Seattle.
I’ve often heard Beaver talk about getting “quality” people for the women’s basketball team, that is a factor in recruiting.
I’ve not heard much talk about the “religious” factor on the team.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 17, 2020 14:24:53 GMT -8
Totally agree that if Taya and Kennedy are on the floor we’d be in the top 10 mix. Racial diversity is a challenge for all Northwest teams not based in Seattle. I’ve often heard Beaver talk about getting “quality” people for the women’s basketball team, that is a factor in recruiting. I’ve not heard much talk about the “religious” factor on the team. Rachel Diversity? Hey, if she can play I don’t care what her first name is. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 17, 2020 14:53:30 GMT -8
This disaster started when TC went down! ”Disaster”? Seems a little dramatic. This team won its first 15 games of the season without Taya playing a significant role in any of those wins. Brown was doing a quality job in her role at the 4. Some fans wanted more scoring from Brown, but her rebounding, shotblocking, and defense were all solid for a frosh playing an important role as a starter. |
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 17, 2020 15:49:56 GMT -8
Sabrina wanted to go somewhere where she was THE piece. She wanted a school where she was the one who changed the program. UO was the perfect place for her to do that and she has been very successful. They’ll likely be the third overall seed for the NCAA tournament, and barely made then tournament her freshman season. Even Baseba1111 stated Ionescu did not deserve to be a part of this program, and that says a lot! Well, black and white leaves a bunch to interpretation. "Not deserve" in terms of her persona. She was a bit of a princess during recruiting. I don't do social media but it seems like her college career hasn't been that way as much?! At least I'd be reading about it here constantly if it was. Really its her PT and stats in routs that takes precedence. I would think that's a Graves criticism? But, if she had come to OSU we'd all be praising her! And, what a combo her and Mik would have been. Her game also didn't seem fit what SR liked. BUT... she does great things in the pick and roll game. She's not just an up tempo freestyler, gunner. She'd have been very, very welcome. Another falsehood often discussed here in the past was how she drove off players or they didn't want to play with her. I've never seen a post from a former teammate to that effect. And, uck recruiting certainly hasn't dropped off during her time there. So, even if driving then off was true, they have replaced them quite nicely. The one thing in speaking about players on another team, there is no way to tell how they would have done at another school. I trust SR, if recruited them he wanted them. The beaver fanbase gives her the persona of like an Antonio Brown, of being unlikeable and tough to deal with, with a lot of drama. Heck she's probably thought of as worse to some posters here lol. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 17, 2020 15:53:31 GMT -8
Well, black and white leaves a bunch to interpretation. "Not deserve" in terms of her persona. She was a bit of a princess during recruiting. I don't do social media but it seems like her college career hasn't been that way as much?! At least I'd be reading about it here constantly if it was. Really its her PT and stats in routs that takes precedence. I would think that's a Graves criticism? But, if she had come to OSU we'd all be praising her! And, what a combo her and Mik would have been. Her game also didn't seem fit what SR liked. BUT... she does great things in the pick and roll game. She's not just an up tempo freestyler, gunner. She'd have been very, very welcome. Another falsehood often discussed here in the past was how she drove off players or they didn't want to play with her. I've never seen a post from a former teammate to that effect. And, uck recruiting certainly hasn't dropped off during her time there. So, even if driving then off was true, they have replaced them quite nicely. The one thing in speaking about players on another team, there is no way to tell how they would have done at another school. I trust SR, if recruited them he wanted them. The beaver fanbase gives her the persona of like an Antonio Brown, of being unlikeable and tough to deal with, with a lot of drama. Heck she's probably thought of as worse to some posters here lol. But, I've been accused of being a uck by one of our more off than moron posters! So there's that! How dare anyone praise anything uck! Weird, but the same posters fully expect every opponent to respect and praise OSU and dig deep to interpret anything that might indicate otherwise. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 17, 2020 16:06:59 GMT -8
Sabrina Ionescu is a fierce competitor and a winner. OSU would have been elated should she have selected Corvallis as her college destination. I do believe that Ionescu would have had to play off the ball her freshman season with either Wiese at OSU or Plum at Washington. I don't think that either Rueck or Mike Neighbors would have promised Ionescu that she would have been the primary ballhandler on offense as a freshman given their close relationships with their veteran point guards. UConn had Crystal Dangerfield that needed to play the point at 5'5". Giving Ionescu the guarantee that she would be "the piece" may have been the most productive decision and promise that Graves has made as a recruiter.
Ionescu made a masterful choice in selecting Oregon and knew that she would have the unquestioned reins to her team's offense at the beginning of her collegiate career. And....she has done wonders with that opportunity.
I know that Ionescu has shown some rough edges during her career in response to losses and when dealing with her frustrations with her teammates. However, she seems to be in a very good place emotionally now and all of Eugene loves her. Corvallis would have done the same for her had she chosen OSU. If Ionescu had chosen OSU in 2016, Sabally likely would have done so the following year. If that had been the case, OSU would likely be looking at 6 straight PAC-12 regular season titles and perhaps two more Final Four appearances. Funny how one 18-year-old's decision potentially could have changed so much.
One can always ponder what if.....?
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Post by osu82 on Feb 17, 2020 17:52:20 GMT -8
Totally agree that if Taya and Kennedy are on the floor we’d be in the top 10 mix. Racial diversity is a challenge for all Northwest teams not based in Seattle. I’ve often heard Beaver talk about getting “quality” people for the women’s basketball team, that is a factor in recruiting. I’ve not heard much talk about the “religious” factor on the team. Since you raise the subject, I'm interested to hear what you think on the "religious" factor in the team. Care to elaborate? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 17, 2020 19:34:10 GMT -8
Totally agree that if Taya and Kennedy are on the floor we’d be in the top 10 mix. Racial diversity is a challenge for all Northwest teams not based in Seattle. I’ve often heard Beaver talk about getting “quality” people for the women’s basketball team, that is a factor in recruiting. I’ve not heard much talk about the “religious” factor on the team. Since you raise the subject, I'm interested to hear what you think on the "religious" factor in the team. Care to elaborate? Crickets. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 19, 2020 13:25:33 GMT -8
I don't know all the particulars of the Ionescu recruitment...not many people outside of the coaching staff do....it has a lot of layers. There are lots of rumors ive heard from people I trust. It could be that she was given the keys to the car carte Blanche by uo,which osu wouldn't do,or she wanted to attend school with her brother(walk-on in MBB)
Another factor is the hiring of Campbell,and the impact it had on her recruitment. I spoke to an osu Wbb coach at a baseball game in late April of her senior year and he told me he had no idea what her plans were. Remember...she was quoted as just wanting to show up at her college of choice. Weird recruitment down to uo,osu,Stanford,and Cal...
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