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Post by willtalk on Feb 16, 2020 19:30:24 GMT -8
The problems they are facing have multiple causes. Each separately would not be a major factor, but together they produce the result we are seeing now. Injuries certainly being one factor. People have been mentioning others as well. One of the stupidest is the idea that recruiting athletic players would solve the problem. The problem in this respect is attempting to play like you have them when you don't. Oregon is not loaded with athletic players and they seem to be doing all right.
Stupid fan posts might actually have contributed to one of the problems the team is dealing with now. Slocum had been playing very well until some posters remarked that her point totals were down and that she should begin to "take over" as she can. Well right after that her game deteriorated. Scott had been working hard to get her to play as a real distributing point guard rather than as a shooting guard who looked for her points first. The major problem was that we had three shooting guards on the floor at the same time. With none of them being good enough to consistently take over against the wrong matchups.
SC was a really bad matchup for this team. They had the size to negate the post-play- especially Mattie's, who had been playing really well against other teams so far. I had mentioned before how Jones does not match up really well defensively against really strong posts. Taylor would have done much better, so that is how injuries really hurt in this game. Taylor also tended to break up the excessive dribbing of the guards whenever they passed to her. The none dribbling ball movement of the guards is really bad. Mik, who became a really good distributor in her Jr year regressed back to her early soph season of making bad on the ball decisions. While Kat has been in a shooting slump, she appeared to shoot well this last game. She was open multiple times in the first half and was ignored by the ball handlers. She did get antsy and miss a shot badly, but that was after being ignored multiple times despite being open. In fact, one time a stationary Pivec looked right at a wide open Kat and for some reason decided not to pass her the ball. Seemed to mirror what she did to Grymek far too often when she had post position. It is not up to a player to decide not to pass to an open player because she might shoot and miss. You pass the ball to open players or those in a position to make plays. All offensive options should always be kept open. There are games when the on the ball dribble shot creation works and games when it is completely shut down. It is much the same with all other aspects of offense as well. If players get into a habit of relying too much on one aspect they don't know what to do when it gets shut down. For the second half of this season, this team lacked a player who was focused on maintaining offensive balance. Of course, that is exactly what some of you posters want. Certain players to take over the game and focus on getting their own shots.
One on one tends to become infectious. As I said there are multiple factors at play. On is that every time Jones gets the ball on the block she always goes for the shot no matter how many defenders are around her. She often had three defenders on her in this last game and still tried to shoot the ball. If they start to drop from their defensive assignments you kick it back out and repositions yourself. She also needs to challenge her defensive assignment farther out. She stays too far in the paint and gives her assignment too many open mid-range looks.
There are many other factors involve, some of which are on Scott, but I'll leave it for now.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 16, 2020 19:41:06 GMT -8
The problems they are facing have multiple causes. Each separately would not be a major factor, but together they produce the result we are seeing now. Injuries certainly being one factor. People have been mentioning others as well. One of the stupidest is the idea that recruiting athletic players would solve the problem. The problem in this respect is attempting to play like you have them when you don't. Oregon is not loaded with athletic players and they seem to be doing all right. Stupid fan posts might actually have contributed to one of the problems the team is dealing with now. Slocum had been playing very well until some posters remarked that her point totals were down and that she should begin to "take over" as she can. Well right after that her game deteriorated. Scott had been working hard to get her to play as a real distributing point guard rather than as a shooting guard who looked for her points first. The major problem was that we had three shooting guards on the floor at the same time. With none of them being good enough to consistently take over against the wrong matchups. SC was a really bad matchup for this team. They had the size to negate the post-play- especially Mattie's, who had been playing really well against other teams so far. I had mentioned before how Jones does not match up really well defensively against really strong posts. Taylor would have done much better, so that is how injuries really hurt in this game. Taylor also tended to break up the excessive dribbing of the guards whenever they passed to her. The none dribbling ball movement of the guards is really bad. Mik, who became a really good distributor in her Jr year regressed back to her early soph season of making bad on the ball decisions. While Kat has been in a shooting slump, she appeared to shoot well this last game. She was open multiple times in the first half and was ignored by the ball handlers. She did get antsy and miss a shot badly, but that was after being ignored multiple times despite being open. In fact, one time a stationary Pivec looked right at a wide open Kat and for some reason decided not to pass her the ball. Seemed to mirror what she did to Grymek far too often when she had post position. It is not up to a player to decide not to pass to an open player because she might shoot and miss. You pass the ball to open players or those in a position to make plays. All offensive options should always be kept open. There are games when the on the ball dribble shot creation works and games when it is completely shut down. It is much the same with all other aspects of offense as well. If players get into a habit of relying too much on one aspect they don't know what to do when it gets shut down. For the second half of this season, this team lacked a player who was focused on maintaining offensive balance. Of course, that is exactly what some of you posters want. Certain players to take over the game and focus on getting their own shots. One on one tends to become infectious. As I said there are multiple factors at play. On is that every time Jones gets the ball on the block she always goes for the shot no matter how many defenders are around her. She often had three defenders on her in this last game and still tried to shoot the ball. If they start to drop from their defensive assignments you kick it back out and repositions yourself. She also needs to challenge her defensive assignment farther out. She stays too far in the paint and gives her assignment too many open mid-range looks. There are many other factors involve, some of which are on Scott, but I'll leave it for now. "Stupid fan posts might actually have contributed to one of the problems the team is dealing with now." I can't imagine that the team gives a tinker's damn about what the jabroni's on this board (myself included) post here. Brilliant, stupid or otherwise. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 16, 2020 19:42:17 GMT -8
SR has "rules" on who he recruits. They must "fit into a formula" of "character, family and student athlete" before they are looked at. As an example, I don't think that Sabrina would fit into that formula or a lot of players. SR does not recruit "drama." We recruited Sabrina and wanted her to sign with OSU. I have a feeling we would have found a way to fit Sabrina's skills into Rueck's "formula" - somehow. Goodness gracious people. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2020 19:45:34 GMT -8
So... parts of posts above... above werebeaver's...
- the players that don't sign don't fit? SR only recruits those that fit? SI (and others that didn't choose OSU) would not have been welcome if they chose OSU?
- the message board is a/the reason for the demise of Destiny's game/increased one on one play that's become infectious?
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Post by sparty on Feb 16, 2020 19:52:15 GMT -8
SR has "rules" on who he recruits. They must "fit into a formula" of "character, family and student athlete" before they are looked at. As an example, I don't think that Sabrina would fit into that formula or a lot of players. SR does not recruit "drama." Did Scott say that. Wow, he maybe alienating a lot of recruits if true. If that is so and those that speak and think for him have said that with every recruit he failed to land.
What are these rules and are they published or stated somewhere. Did Van Lith and maybe even Verhulst get a copy of these rules. Van Lith should have been an slam dunk yet maybe something did not smell right to her. Was it the rules she was handed during a visit? Van Lith is a perfect example.
Maybe that is the problem because if he has a formula it appears not to be working or the rest of the Pac-12 is going its separate ways to Scott system and winning. The Arizona's, La's schools and Stanford has a different formula and they are improving. If you can't beat them then maybe you should look and your formula and maybe join them? Willtalk was alluding to something above in regards to SR and recruiting. I would like to hear more since he has his nose in a lot of sites and knows why recruits choose as they do. Billsaab has some good insights too although measured.
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Post by sparty on Feb 16, 2020 19:56:23 GMT -8
So... parts of posts above... above werebeaver's... - the players that don't sign don't fit? SR only recruits those that fit? SI (and others that didn't choose OSU) would not have been welcome if they chose OSU? - the message board is a/the reason for the demise of Destiny's game/increased one on one play that's become infectious? Van Lith not welcome. Yeah somebody said Destiny reads this site and increased one on one play because fans wanted her too. Almost spit water on my keyboard reading that. Tin foil hats getting a little tight around here. Lets watch some baseball for awhile. |
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Post by osu82 on Feb 16, 2020 20:15:03 GMT -8
SR has "rules" on who he recruits. They must "fit into a formula" of "character, family and student athlete" before they are looked at. As an example, I don't think that Sabrina would fit into that formula or a lot of players. SR does not recruit "drama." We recruited Sabrina and wanted her to sign with OSU. I have a feeling we would have found a way to fit Sabrina's skills into Rueck's "formula" - somehow. Goodness gracious people. And Hebard. And Sabally. Rueck would have been ecstatic to get any of them. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2020 20:22:59 GMT -8
Back to the thread title...
How about OSU isn't as good as we or the team thought they would be!
And, as is the case for any team in that situation there are multiple interrelated causes that feed off one another.
But, a "down" season for us/OSU is still 20+ wins and a NCAA tournament berth. If we only had that problem in all sports!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 16, 2020 22:17:41 GMT -8
Anyone on this board would have taken Van Lith in a second. Van Lith probably didn't have too much interest in a coach that wants her to look at him to call a play just about every time down the floor. Just a guess. That probably isn't very attractive to a lot of recruits that would prefer more of a run and gun style. I think the three major 2021 recruits would all fit Rueck's style pretty well though, and we just have to hope they find it appealing too.
Would be interesting to see Rueck implement a DePaul-esque style of play when we go with four guards. There are positives and negatives to it, but it would be pretty fun to watch, and probably the best way to score the ball when we have two players who almost exclusively shoot the three. There are obviously certain games it would be beneficial and certain games it wouldn't.
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 16, 2020 22:28:27 GMT -8
The ship isn't sinking folks. Circumstances have combined to place us in a bad spot over the last 5 weeks, but we'll bounce back. Might not happen this year, but it will happen. Keep the faith.
Those concerned with recruiting class 'misses' or signing people who aren't quite good enough to play at the elite level should take a moment to review our actual history at that.
In 2014, we signed exactly zero top 100 recruits.
In 2015, we got Katie, who was Scott's first 5 star (ESPN #39), and nobody else in the top 100.
In 2016, we got 3 from the ESPN top 100 - Mik (26), Maddie (89), and Kat (93). In addition to them, Janessa was somewhere around #120. At the time, that was a monster class for us! It wasn't a miss.
In 2017, we got Taya (26) and Aleah (63), and, via transfer later, Destiny (7). That's an even better class.
In 2018, we got Andrea (21) - at the time, the highest ranked high school recruit we had signed.
This year, of course, we got Kennedy (19) and Taylor (42) - another solid class.
One thing stands out - there is one listed above from each class who either isn't playing due to injury / medical condition, or isn't playing to previous levels due to prior injury. And that doesn't even count Jelena. My thinking is that all of this has just caught up with us, and I'm not going to second guess the coaching staff about anything other than the vast number of turnovers that have plagued us all year - even when we were winning 15 in a row.
Let's just see if we right the ship somewhat heading to Vegas.
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 16, 2020 22:35:18 GMT -8
SR has "rules" on who he recruits. They must "fit into a formula" of "character, family and student athlete" before they are looked at. As an example, I don't think that Sabrina would fit into that formula or a lot of players. SR does not recruit "drama." We recruited Sabrina and wanted her to sign with OSU. I have a feeling we would have found a way to fit Sabrina's skills into Rueck's "formula" - somehow. Goodness gracious people.  Was that quoted post real? People really believe Sabrina wasn't recruited because of "character" here? She just happened to have us as one of the last few schools even though coaches didn't want her? |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 16, 2020 23:03:36 GMT -8
Sabrina wanted to go somewhere where she was THE piece. She wanted a school where she was the one who changed the program. UO was the perfect place for her to do that and she has been very successful. They’ll likely be the third overall seed for the NCAA tournament, and barely made then tournament her freshman season.
Even Baseba1111 stated Ionescu did not deserve to be a part of this program, and that says a lot!
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 16, 2020 23:25:56 GMT -8
Sabrina wanted to go somewhere where she was THE piece. She wanted a school where she was the one who changed the program. UO was the perfect place for her to do that and she has been very successful. They’ll likely be the third overall seed for the NCAA tournament, and barely made then tournament her freshman season. Even Baseba1111 stated Ionescu did not deserve to be a part of this program, and that says a lot! I think you might be lowballing Oregon as #3 overall seed. UO, Baylor and South Carolina all beat UConn, all by similar margins, so that's a wash. South Carolina and Oregon both have WAY more quality wins than Baylor does, and they all have almost identical records. I'm not sure they'll do it but the committee absolutely should have Baylor at #3 overall.
Really, the Big 12 is AWFUL this year and Baylor's only other decent OOC win is over a fading Indiana team. They should be #3 by a wide margin if the selection committee is at all objective.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2020 23:48:30 GMT -8
Sabrina wanted to go somewhere where she was THE piece. She wanted a school where she was the one who changed the program. UO was the perfect place for her to do that and she has been very successful. They’ll likely be the third overall seed for the NCAA tournament, and barely made then tournament her freshman season. Even Baseba1111 stated Ionescu did not deserve to be a part of this program, and that says a lot! Well, black and white leaves a bunch to interpretation. "Not deserve" in terms of her persona. She was a bit of a princess during recruiting. I don't do social media but it seems like her college career hasn't been that way as much?! At least I'd be reading about it here constantly if it was. Really its her PT and stats in routs that takes precedence. I would think that's a Graves criticism? But, if she had come to OSU we'd all be praising her! And, what a combo her and Mik would have been. Her game also didn't seem fit what SR liked. BUT... she does great things in the pick and roll game. She's not just an up tempo freestyler, gunner. She'd have been very, very welcome. Another falsehood often discussed here in the past was how she drove off players or they didn't want to play with her. I've never seen a post from a former teammate to that effect. And, uck recruiting certainly hasn't dropped off during her time there. So, even if driving then off was true, they have replaced them quite nicely. The one thing in speaking about players on another team, there is no way to tell how they would have done at another school. I trust SR, if recruited them he wanted them. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 17, 2020 7:08:30 GMT -8
Sabrina wanted to go somewhere where she was THE piece. She wanted a school where she was the one who changed the program. UO was the perfect place for her to do that and she has been very successful. They’ll likely be the third overall seed for the NCAA tournament, and barely made then tournament her freshman season. Even Baseba1111 stated Ionescu did not deserve to be a part of this program, and that says a lot! I think you might be lowballing Oregon as #3 overall seed. UO, Baylor and South Carolina all beat UConn, all by similar margins, so that's a wash. South Carolina and Oregon both have WAY more quality wins than Baylor does, and they all have almost identical records. I'm not sure they'll do it but the committee absolutely should have Baylor at #3 overall.
Really, the Big 12 is AWFUL this year and Baylor's only other decent OOC win is over a fading Indiana team. They should be #3 by a wide margin if the selection committee is at all objective.
Both Big 12 and SEC are pretty awful this year. Both should certainly win out. I'm guessing neither will have as good of a SOS as Oregon because all of the Pac 12 teams get major boosts since they play so many top-10/20 teams. 2 vs. 3 seed really doesn't make much difference, because you're still going to have to play the other. I'm guessing SC is very likely to get the overall #1 if they win out. |
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