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Post by srfan1 on Feb 16, 2020 1:46:55 GMT -8
Our team's style of play contributes signficantly to the high number of turnovers. We rarely run even if we have favorable numbers on the early break. We don't punish the opposing defense for pressing us. We allow our opponents to gamble for steals and then they set up their halfcourt defense when we don't attack the paint. We don't shoot many midrange shots off the dribble when we are open. We eat up a lot of the shot clock with dribbling to try to get around high hedges. We seem to pass up open shots early in the shot clock in order to run the designed play. It appears that we are an easier team to make adjustments to during halftime breaks. Teams have rallied from halftime deficits four times to win during our six losses. Players who have big first halves for us production wise are significantly limited during the second halves of games. We need to recognize and adapt better to how teams are defending us. Totally agree! It looks like the Pac-12 coaching scouts have SR well and truly in their sights and it is working well for them. His slow game is no longer the match winner it used to be, time to change it up methinks. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 16, 2020 5:03:23 GMT -8
Not sure how Rueck possibly could have adjusted in in early June when he found out about Jelena’s injury. He did adjust to Andrea’s situation. He recruited THREE players at her position (4/5) in the class below, giving the roster a total of seven 4/5 players. I think 12/13 scholarships is optimal, leaving room for someone to transfer in or to bring in a big class if you hit all your targets. Could have looked at experienced grad transfer. Several moved May thru August. I'm not sure how the discussion started... depth, injuries, ?, but never said it was some huge mistake and it only more apparent after key injuries. But, I was never a fan of the inside game once Jelena wasn't going to start the season healthy. My only concern with this class after Jelena's injury was no experience at the 4/5 behind TC. My personal opinion is that Maddie, Morris, and Thropay aren't viable Pac12 options for a top 3/4 Pac12 team. Others may. But, TC, KB, TJ were the extent I went in making my opinion. So I thought OSU very young and vulnerable in that department. Really only Taylor is a 5 if Jelena couldn't play since Kennedy wanted to stay outside. That said with the multiple posters who take exception to my use of risk. No recruit is a sure thing. There's always a rush/chance/possibility they don't pan out. And, if you already know one isn't playing and another may be delayed for a unknown length of time maybe you have another backup plan. A plan that's an option to those already on the roster that hardly play, or limited in Maddie's case. Of course this is all 20/20 hindsight for some. But, I posted my concern of youth and depth up front very early. Also think I said that OSU would probably be in the 3rd-5th range due to lack of inside game. Of course chastised because of course OSU is automatically a Pac12 title contender and top 10 team. Until they're not. Of course to those that think SR is a deity of some kind that thought process is blasphemy. I get it. Only certain folks on here can ever question SR decisions, game planning, or offer alternate theories. Can't wait for the numerous responses. But, I'll leave the topic to other experts. |
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Feb 16, 2020 9:09:13 GMT -8
Stick to fantasy football donkey I like SR as our coach. Crap happens it is a sport. Reading your post you seem to need validation. So here you go "your awesome". Now can we move on.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2020 9:14:47 GMT -8
Stick to fantasy football donkey I like SR as our coach. Crap happens it is a sport. Reading your post you seem to need validation. So here you go "your awesome". Now can we move on. And you're not. Thx for the lame attempt at analysis... matches your other attempts. |
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Post by billsaab on Feb 16, 2020 10:18:48 GMT -8
Wow if one criticizes the mothership they are put down.. I do not get the apologists who defend the way things are. Reality is the best judge. I along with others think 1. Scott is a good Coach.2. His offensive philosophy needs to change.3.He needs to get quickness and athletic players. Remember back to final 4 which was a good accomplishment. We had Canadian Hammer who was a good but limited player. U conn was way more athletic. My memory says it was 80 to 58 but I could be off a few points. I look at u of o and even Stanford with their injuries and I see more athletic Teams than 2016. Something needs to change if we are to get to a final 4 in foreseeable future. I do not see it. Why we could handle Baylor two different times I cannot explain but Kudos for that.
One last thing we all want more success and that is why we have varying opinions. I think we should never disrespect any Beaver fan that has invested and really cares about the programs.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 16, 2020 10:37:53 GMT -8
Wow if one criticizes the mothership they are put down.. I do not get the apologists who defend the way things are. Reality is the best judge. I along with others think 1. Scott is a good Coach.2. His offensive philosophy needs to change.3.He needs to get quickness and athletic players. Remember back to final 4 which was a good accomplishment. We had Canadian Hammer who was a good but limited player. U conn was way more athletic. My memory says it was 80 to 58 but I could be off a few points. I look at u of o and even Stanford with their injuries and I see more athletic Teams than 2016. Something needs to change if we are to get to a final 4 in foreseeable future. I do not see it. Why we could handle Baylor two different times I cannot explain but Kudos for that. One last thing we all want more success and that is why we have varying opinions. I think we should never disrespect any Beaver fan that has invested and really cares about the programs. You state that "He needs to get quickness and athletic players". I believe that the reality of the situation as proven by years and years of results is that OSU is very unlikely to ever get an even portion of the quick and athletic players that the U-Conns, Stanfords, Notre Dames, Louisvilles, etc. of the world are going to get.
Occasionally you will have an outlier like the Oregon Ducks who for a period of time have virtually unlimited financial resources to get their share but that is the rare exception.
So if you want to succeed you do what Coach Rueck has done. Develop players and a system that can compete reasonably well against teams that have very distinct advantages. . Your logic is similar to telling someone who is poor, that all they have to do is become rich to take care of their problem. The devil is in the details, i.e. how do you get rich?. You ignore that part of the equation in your overly simplistic advice to Coach Rueck.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 16, 2020 10:41:50 GMT -8
Wow if one criticizes the mothership they are put down.. I do not get the apologists who defend the way things are. Reality is the best judge. I along with others think 1. Scott is a good Coach.2. His offensive philosophy needs to change.3.He needs to get quickness and athletic players. Remember back to final 4 which was a good accomplishment. We had Canadian Hammer who was a good but limited player. U conn was way more athletic. My memory says it was 80 to 58 but I could be off a few points. I look at u of o and even Stanford with their injuries and I see more athletic Teams than 2016. Something needs to change if we are to get to a final 4 in foreseeable future. I do not see it. Why we could handle Baylor two different times I cannot explain but Kudos for that. One last thing we all want more success and that is why we have varying opinions. I think we should never disrespect any Beaver fan that has invested and really cares about the programs. You state that "He needs to get quickness and athletic players". I believe that the reality of the situation as proven by years and years of results is that OSU is very unlikely to ever get an even portion of the quick and athletic players that the U-Conns, Stanfords, Notre Dames, Louisvilles, etc. of the world are going to get.
Occasionally you will have an outlier like the Oregon Ducks who for a period of time have virtually unlimited financial resources to get their share but that is the rare exception.
So if you want to succeed you do what Coach Rueck has done. Develop players and a system that can compete reasonably well against teams that have very distinct advantages. . Your logic is similar to telling someone who is poor, that all they have to do is become rich to take care of their problem. The devil is in the details, i.e. how do you get rich?. You ignore that part of the equation in your overly simplistic advice to Coach Rueck.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 16, 2020 10:46:17 GMT -8
Ideally, coaches aim to recruit athleticism, length, and skill. In a perfect world, those three traits are all found in the same player(s). Most of the time, they aren't.
For those fan bases whose favorite teams have athleticism primarily and limited skill or shooters, the big complaints after a loss relate to getting more shooters into the program. When a team's shooters are off and the team loses a game, then more athleticism is needed if it appears that the other team is quicker at most positions.
Recruiting isn't an exact science. You can't always project accurately the work ethic and development that a given recruit will have. Coaches do their best to bring in an assortment of athletes to fill the positions and provide depth in the event of injuries.
In hindsight, I do wish that the OSU WBB program utilizes all 15 available scholarships so that season-ending injuries to the same position can be potentially mitigated with additional depth. The OSU WBB philosophy with respect to using all 15 scholarships may be re-evaluated following this season's challenges. As has been pointed out previously, there are also challenges with having a roster of 15 players.
The team has 10 healthy bodies. Let's all hope that the team rallies and does its best down the stretch to make the remainder of the season as positive as possible for Beaver Nation and the players to enjoy.
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 16, 2020 10:48:27 GMT -8
It’s comforting that I can come here for all the answers.
What a blessing.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 16, 2020 10:59:43 GMT -8
Ideally, coaches aim to recruit athleticism, length, and skill. In a perfect world, those three elements are all found in the same player(s). Most of the time, they aren't. For those fan bases whose favorite teams have athleticism primarily and limited skill or shooters, the big complaints after a loss relate to getting more shooters into the program. When a team's shooters are off and the team loses a game, then more athleticism is needed if it appears that the other team is quicker at most positions. Recruiting isn't an exact science. You can't always project accurately the work ethic and development that a given recruit will have. Coaches do their best to bring in an assortment of athletes to fill the positions and provide depth in the event of injuries. In hindsight, I do wish that the OSU WBB program utilizes all 15 available scholarships so that season-ending injuries to the same position can be potentially mitigated with additional depth. The OSU WBB philosophy with respect to using all 15 scholarships may be re-evaluated following this season's challenges. As has been pointed out previously, there are also challenges with having a roster of 15 players. The team has 10 healthy bodies. Let's all hope that the team rallies and does its best down the stretch to make the remainder of the season as positive as possible for Beaver Nation and the players to enjoy. Well thought out and well stated. Thank you! |
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Post by billsaab on Feb 16, 2020 11:16:39 GMT -8
Do not disagree with most of that stated. I do not think u of o is an outlier. I also believe we can become more uptempo and reduce turning the ball over. I also believe we can recruit and we need to stop accepting less. We just need to realize the game has been officiated a lot differently than 7 or 8 years ago. Like I said after the Baseball game last night we all want the Team to excell.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 16, 2020 11:23:29 GMT -8
Like I said after the Baseball game last night we all want the Team to excell. Amen to that Brother! |
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 16, 2020 11:50:29 GMT -8
Do not disagree with most of that stated. I do not think u of o is an outlier. I also believe we can become more uptempo and reduce turning the ball over. I also believe we can recruit and we need to stop accepting less. We just need to realize the game has been officiated a lot differently than 7 or 8 years ago. Like I said after the Baseball game last night we all want the Team to excell.
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Post by billsaab on Feb 16, 2020 16:41:47 GMT -8
I will be gentle here. Just returned from Baseball game in surprise. We missed on some and have had players who are great people and fit in very well. I just think as we move on to recruiting we must get players that contribute. That does not explain the 10 point third quarter against usc,but it shows right now with attrition due to key injuries. Probably should have said it differently.
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Post by gnawitall on Feb 16, 2020 19:26:29 GMT -8
I will be gentle here. Just returned from Baseball game in surprise. We missed on some and have had players who are great people and fit in very well. I just think as we move on to recruiting we must get players that contribute. That does not explain the 10 point third quarter against usc,but it shows right now with attrition due to key injuries. Probably should have said it differently. But isn't Rueck getting who he can get or do you think he's just going after the wrong players? And if he went after the 'right' players would they commit? |
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