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Post by markwbeaver on Feb 15, 2020 10:20:55 GMT -8
Cancer? Chemistry? Seems to me its more of a unspecified heart issue, two knees and a torn hamstring not cancer. Incredibly bad luck. Exactly right, though I might make it 3 knees. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 15, 2020 12:09:39 GMT -8
Our team's style of play contributes signficantly to the high number of turnovers. We rarely run even if we have favorable numbers on the early break. We don't punish the opposing defense for pressing us. We allow our opponents to gamble for steals and then they set up their halfcourt defense when we don't attack the paint. We don't shoot many midrange shots off the dribble when we are open. We eat up a lot of the shot clock with dribbling to try to get around high hedges. We seem to pass up open shots early in the shot clock in order to run the designed play.
It appears that we are an easier team to make adjustments to during halftime breaks. Teams have rallied from halftime deficits four times to win during our six losses. Players who have big first halves for us production wise are significantly limited during the second halves of games. We need to recognize and adapt better to how teams are defending us.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 15, 2020 12:17:19 GMT -8
What OSU needs to do is not have 4 of their biggest and best players out with major injuries that may require more than another full season(or in one case maybe never) before they are able to play.
If any of you have the answers to that problem, let's hear it. Otherwise all the "second guessing" coaching that is going on this sight recently is absurd.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 12:27:37 GMT -8
What OSU needs to do is not have 4 of their biggest and best players out with major injuries that may require more than another full season(or in one case maybe never) before they are able to play.
If any of you have the answers to that problem, let's hear it. Otherwise all the "second guessing" coaching that is going on this sight recently is absurd.
Except 2 are directly related to coaching. SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason. He hoped they would recover or not have set backs. And, if he did not know the full extent of the situations, that too is directly on him. It is also directly on him not to have a backup plan... like use up an extra scholly or two just in case. The other injuries happening and are part of the game. Furd has had similar injuries (maybe more), but had the talented depth to at least stay afloat at a level of play similar to their norm. SR knew more than anyone the talent, or lack thereof, of our bench. Part of this most certainly is on him. You can't keep bad luck from happening, but you can prepare to help mitigate the damage. He's the HC and recruiting wins and losses are on him. You can't say it's one way without saying it is the other. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 12:37:24 GMT -8
What OSU needs to do is not have 4 of their biggest and best players out with major injuries that may require more than another full season(or in one case maybe never) before they are able to play.
If any of you have the answers to that problem, let's hear it. Otherwise all the "second guessing" coaching that is going on this sight recently is absurd.
Except 2 are directly related to coaching. SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason. He hoped they would recover or not have set backs. And, if he did not know the full extent of the situations, that too is directly on him. It is also directly on him not to have a backup plan... like use up an extra scholly or two just in case. The other injuries happening and are part of the game. Furd has had similar injuries (maybe more), but had the talented depth to at least stay afloat at a level of play similar to their norm. SR knew more than anyone the talent, or lack thereof, of our bench. Part of this most certainly is on him. You can't keep bad luck from happening, but you can prepare to help mitigate the damage. He's the HC and recruiting wins and losses are on him. You can't say it's one way without saying it is the other. He did use an extra scholarship. He's never been at 13 before. What two players did he take risks on? Every player he recruited was 100% healthy in his eyes at the time they signed. He didn't sign Andrea knowing there was a good chance she would not see the floor in her first two years. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 12:55:54 GMT -8
Except 2 are directly related to coaching. SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason. He hoped they would recover or not have set backs. And, if he did not know the full extent of the situations, that too is directly on him. It is also directly on him not to have a backup plan... like use up an extra scholly or two just in case. The other injuries happening and are part of the game. Furd has had similar injuries (maybe more), but had the talented depth to at least stay afloat at a level of play similar to their norm. SR knew more than anyone the talent, or lack thereof, of our bench. Part of this most certainly is on him. You can't keep bad luck from happening, but you can prepare to help mitigate the damage. He's the HC and recruiting wins and losses are on him. You can't say it's one way without saying it is the other. He did use an extra scholarship. He's never been at 13 before. What two players did he take risks on? Every player he recruited was 100% healthy in his eyes at the time they signed. He didn't sign Andrea knowing there was a good chance she would not see the floor in her first two years. Andrea's situation was never clear from day 1. It's well known within the AD she was a long shot in terms of her background and totality of playing time. And I'm pretty sure you know there was a knee surgery to another prior to her arrival. The injury was well known and recovery unknown as it was in a foreign country. I'm being full medical disclosure didn't happen until her arrival. PS- no one stated 2 years or SR knew. But, both were reaches. The point is, when recruiting doesn't pan out, it's on the HC. Stating otherwise is silliness. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 13:10:48 GMT -8
He did use an extra scholarship. He's never been at 13 before. What two players did he take risks on? Every player he recruited was 100% healthy in his eyes at the time they signed. He didn't sign Andrea knowing there was a good chance she would not see the floor in her first two years. Andrea's situation was never clear from day 1. It's well known within the AD she was a long shot in terms of her background and totality of playing time. And I'm pretty sure you know there was a knee surgery to another prior to her arrival. The injury was well known and recovery unknown as it was in a foreign country. I'm being full medical disclosure didn't happen until her arrival. PS- no one stated 2 years or SR knew. But, both were reaches. The point is, when recruiting doesn't pan out, it's on the HC. Stating otherwise is silliness. I don't understand how a totally unexpected knee injury to a signee counts as taking a risk, but... Andrea was expected to play and contribute her first year. Never a long shot until her diagnosis. She was ready to go until that point. Washington and Thropay not panning out could certainly be placed on the coaching staff, but unexpected illnesses and injuries to signees who were perfectly healthy are not. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Feb 15, 2020 13:14:15 GMT -8
The Beavs were finalists for Hebard and Sabally in addition to Kiana Williams at Stanford. That much has been shared by posters re: recruiting previously on this board. Who knows who else would have helped this year's squad that OSU was in on until the final selection was made by the high school student-athlete.
A little more help for this season's squad would have been a huge lift when it's two 4s went down and it's two 6'9" players couldn't play.
I know that losing 6 of its past 10 games has caused significant stress for everyone associated with the program. And it is showing. Such are the expectations when your program becomes a regular Top 10 program.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 15, 2020 13:22:23 GMT -8
Mitrovic was signed on April 17. She was not injured at the time, and was injured while playing and posted photos of her injured leg in June. Unless you're claiming that Rueck knew she was going to get hurt, her signing was not anything close to a risk.
Aquino played with no problems her junior year in high school, when she played the entire season and earned New Jersey all-state honors . She signed in November of her senior year, and played in California after transferring. Her medical condition did not become evident until extensive pre-clearance testing at OSU, which takes such physicals very seriously in the wake of issues with Fernando Borcel, Ernest Killum and Chi Baker.
Neither signing was a risk. Every team in the country would have signed Aquino and Mitrovic had they had the opportunity.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 15, 2020 13:51:50 GMT -8
On Rueck making mistakes in recruiting. All the top teams have higher high school ranked bench crew than SR's. His top 50 recruits have all been very successful. No other top teams can claim that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 13:55:54 GMT -8
Mitrovic was signed on April 17. She was not injured at the time, and was injured while playing and posted photos of her injured leg in June. Unless you're claiming that Rueck knew she was going to get hurt, her signing was not anything close to a risk. Aquino played with no problems her junior year in high school, when she played the entire season and earned New Jersey all-state honors . She signed in November of her senior year, and played in California after transferring. Her medical condition did not become evident until extensive pre-clearance testing at OSU, which takes such physicals very seriously in the wake of issues with Fernando Borcel, Ernest Killum and Chi Baker. Neither signing was a risk. Every team in the country would have signed Aquino and Mitrovic had they had the opportunity. Lol... first every foreign player is a risk. Film and comp is always in question. Injury happened soon after signing, plenty of time to assume there might be an issue. Knowing what was left on the bench and AA's already known condition it was very risky to spend the summer sitting on the current roster. And, in speaking, it was this year's roster and recruiting being discussed, so AA was known and is an empty roster spot. Sho OSU really doesn't have more schollies being used than normal. I terms of interest in OSU (among others) and were May or later adds: -Mikayla William's, grad trans, 6'1" F double double from USDiego ended up at USF; -Tyra Whitehead, grad trans, 6'3" F, ended up at San Jose St. with 2 years of eligibility last I saw. There were about 10 F/C types that moved schools May to August of 2019. Who knows which would actually have come. But, when I looked OSU was a better landing spot than where most ended up. AA was a known no go, Jelena was known injured unknown recovery schedule early in summer of 2019. As others here have suggested well before this season using the scholarship allotments isn't about keeping a player happy. They earn PT. Using the full amount is about depth especially if the unfortunate injury bug hits. Not filling the roster is certainly SR's prerogative. But, it's a risk with unknown injuries topped off with new. You and others may not see it risky. Great. But, the scholarship limits are there for a reason... why not use them? And, coaching is all about being proactive... in designing a OB play or offensive sets/options. The same applies to recruiting. Not all of your healthy recruits will turn out as expected. To not recruit additionally to take into account injuries is indeed a risk. With all that said. In no way I'm I saying that the season would be significantly different. But, as much as we like two of our Sr posts, they have never been Pac12 quality starters. Not sure they back up for any team we see as Pac12 elite. Certainly not at Furd, ucks, UCLA, Zona, or ASU. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -8
On Rueck making mistakes in recruiting. All the top teams have higher high school ranked bench crew than SR's. His top 50 recruits have all been very successful. No other top teams can claim that. What? Very successful? Top 50? You do realize some other schools regularly get top 50. And, several other have many that are highly... super... successful. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 14:05:58 GMT -8
Literally every team that has won a NC for the past probably 8 or so years has had probably no more than 12 players on scholarship. It's not that risky.
Just because a player was good at a MM does not mean they're a Pac-12 level player. UConn added a player who was terrific at the MM level and she can't even find minutes.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 15, 2020 14:08:06 GMT -8
Mitrovic was signed on April 17. She was not injured at the time, and was injured while playing and posted photos of her injured leg in June. Unless you're claiming that Rueck knew she was going to get hurt, her signing was not anything close to a risk. Aquino played with no problems her junior year in high school, when she played the entire season and earned New Jersey all-state honors . She signed in November of her senior year, and played in California after transferring. Her medical condition did not become evident until extensive pre-clearance testing at OSU, which takes such physicals very seriously in the wake of issues with Fernando Borcel, Ernest Killum and Chi Baker. Neither signing was a risk. Every team in the country would have signed Aquino and Mitrovic had they had the opportunity. Lol... first every foreign player is a risk. Film and comp is always in question. Injury happened soon after signing, plenty of time to assume there might be an issue. Knowing what was left on the bench and AA's already known condition it was very risky to spend the summer sitting on the current roster. And, in speaking, it was this year's roster and recruiting being discussed, so AA was known and is an empty roster spot. Sho OSU really doesn't have more schollies being used than normal. I terms of interest in OSU (among others) and were May or later adds: -Mikayla William's, grad trans, 6'1" F double double from USDiego ended up at USF; -Tyra Whitehead, grad trans, 6'3" F, ended up at San Jose St. with 2 years of eligibility last I saw. There were about 10 F/C types that moved schools May to August of 2019. Who knows which would actually have come. But, when I looked OSU was a better landing spot than where most ended up. AA was a known no go, Jelena was known injured unknown recovery schedule early in summer of 2019. As others here have suggested well before this season using the scholarship allotments isn't about keeping a player happy. They earn PT. Using the full amount is about depth especially if the unfortunate injury bug hits. Not filling the roster is certainly SR's prerogative. But, it's a risk with unknown injuries topped off with new. You and others may not see it risky. Great. But, the scholarship limits are there for a reason... why not use them? And, coaching is all about being proactive... in designing a OB play or offensive sets/options. The same applies to recruiting. Not all of your healthy recruits will turn out as expected. To not recruit additionally to take into account injuries is indeed a risk. With all that said. In no way I'm I saying that the season would be significantly different. But, as much as we like two of our Sr posts, they have never been Pac12 quality starters. Not sure they back up for any team we see as Pac12 elite. Certainly not at Furd, ucks, UCLA, Zona, or ASU. Keep moving those goalposts. You said: "SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason." When clearly, since they were healthy at the time they signed, he was taking the same "risk" that numerous other coaches were prepared to take, because they offered them scholarships too. PS: There is ample, credible film and thorough scouting of international players of Mitrovic's ability. They also watched her play in person, against top-flight competition from other European countries. We certainly knew exactly what we were getting. Who knew we were taking a chance by signing Ruth Hamblin and Kolby Orum, a couple "risky foreign" players? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 14:18:38 GMT -8
Lol... first every foreign player is a risk. Film and comp is always in question. Injury happened soon after signing, plenty of time to assume there might be an issue. Knowing what was left on the bench and AA's already known condition it was very risky to spend the summer sitting on the current roster. And, in speaking, it was this year's roster and recruiting being discussed, so AA was known and is an empty roster spot. Sho OSU really doesn't have more schollies being used than normal. I terms of interest in OSU (among others) and were May or later adds: -Mikayla William's, grad trans, 6'1" F double double from USDiego ended up at USF; -Tyra Whitehead, grad trans, 6'3" F, ended up at San Jose St. with 2 years of eligibility last I saw. There were about 10 F/C types that moved schools May to August of 2019. Who knows which would actually have come. But, when I looked OSU was a better landing spot than where most ended up. AA was a known no go, Jelena was known injured unknown recovery schedule early in summer of 2019. As others here have suggested well before this season using the scholarship allotments isn't about keeping a player happy. They earn PT. Using the full amount is about depth especially if the unfortunate injury bug hits. Not filling the roster is certainly SR's prerogative. But, it's a risk with unknown injuries topped off with new. You and others may not see it risky. Great. But, the scholarship limits are there for a reason... why not use them? And, coaching is all about being proactive... in designing a OB play or offensive sets/options. The same applies to recruiting. Not all of your healthy recruits will turn out as expected. To not recruit additionally to take into account injuries is indeed a risk. With all that said. In no way I'm I saying that the season would be significantly different. But, as much as we like two of our Sr posts, they have never been Pac12 quality starters. Not sure they back up for any team we see as Pac12 elite. Certainly not at Furd, ucks, UCLA, Zona, or ASU. Keep moving those goalposts. You said: "SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason." When clearly, since they were healthy at the time they signed, he was taking the same "risk" that numerous other coaches were prepared to take, because they offered them scholarships too. PS: There is ample, credible film and thorough scouting of international players of Mitrovic's ability. They also watched her play in person, against top-flight competition from other European countries. We certainly knew exactly what we were getting. Who knew we were taking a chance by signing Ruth Hamblin and Kolby Orum, a couple "risky foreign" players? Dude we're speaking in the here and now not April. Both were known to have issues. You take a risk by not taking that into consideration. I never stated risk in SIGNING. Get a clue. Nothing wrong in their being signed. Speak if moving goalposts! Just like Ruthie and Orum. Both projects, both risks, both turned out, neither injured, and roster was complete at their positions until they developed. But, thanks for 20/20 hindsight. Care to say how AA will turn out? Jelena? Yeah... prob not as they aren't playing to help this team. They aren't even playing a little to begin development. So, yeah great examples of two completely different situations. Toss in Gulich maybe? Oh yeah the same... no semblance to the current situation. |
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