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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 15, 2020 14:34:29 GMT -8
Mitrovic was signed on April 17. She was not injured at the time, and was injured while playing and posted photos of her injured leg in June. Unless you're claiming that Rueck knew she was going to get hurt, her signing was not anything close to a risk. Aquino played with no problems her junior year in high school, when she played the entire season and earned New Jersey all-state honors . She signed in November of her senior year, and played in California after transferring. Her medical condition did not become evident until extensive pre-clearance testing at OSU, which takes such physicals very seriously in the wake of issues with Fernando Borcel, Ernest Killum and Chi Baker. Neither signing was a risk. Every team in the country would have signed Aquino and Mitrovic had they had the opportunity. Lol... first every foreign player is a risk. Film and comp is always in question. Injury happened soon after signing, plenty of time to assume there might be an issue. Knowing what was left on the bench and AA's already known condition it was very risky to spend the summer sitting on the current roster. And, in speaking, it was this year's roster and recruiting being discussed, so AA was known and is an empty roster spot. Sho OSU really doesn't have more schollies being used than normal. I terms of interest in OSU (among others) and were May or later adds: -Mikayla William's, grad trans, 6'1" F double double from USDiego ended up at USF; -Tyra Whitehead, grad trans, 6'3" F, ended up at San Jose St. with 2 years of eligibility last I saw. There were about 10 F/C types that moved schools May to August of 2019. Who knows which would actually have come. But, when I looked OSU was a better landing spot than where most ended up. AA was a known no go, Jelena was known injured unknown recovery schedule early in summer of 2019. As others here have suggested well before this season using the scholarship allotments isn't about keeping a player happy. They earn PT. Using the full amount is about depth especially if the unfortunate injury bug hits. Not filling the roster is certainly SR's prerogative. But, it's a risk with unknown injuries topped off with new. You and others may not see it risky. Great. But, the scholarship limits are there for a reason... why not use them? And, coaching is all about being proactive... in designing a OB play or offensive sets/options. The same applies to recruiting. Not all of your healthy recruits will turn out as expected. To not recruit additionally to take into account injuries is indeed a risk. With all that said. In no way I'm I saying that the season would be significantly different. But, as much as we like two of our Sr posts, they have never been Pac12 quality starters. Not sure they back up for any team we see as Pac12 elite. Certainly not at Furd, ucks, UCLA, Zona, or ASU. Ooh, Henry, you have received the dreaded Lol - one capital letter, 2 lower case. This does not bode well for you. Being branded as an object of derision by so august a personage as baseba111 normally means that life for you in Corvallis is pretty much over. Best for all if you move to another time zone with all due haste. |
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Post by wbosh15 on Feb 15, 2020 14:41:10 GMT -8
Keep moving those goalposts. You said: "SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason." When clearly, since they were healthy at the time they signed, he was taking the same "risk" that numerous other coaches were prepared to take, because they offered them scholarships too. PS: There is ample, credible film and thorough scouting of international players of Mitrovic's ability. They also watched her play in person, against top-flight competition from other European countries. We certainly knew exactly what we were getting. Who knew we were taking a chance by signing Ruth Hamblin and Kolby Orum, a couple "risky foreign" players? Dude we're speaking in the here and now not April. Both were known to have issues. You take a risk by not taking that into consideration. I never stated risk in SIGNING. Get a clue. Nothing wrong in their being signed. Speak if moving goalposts! Just like Ruthie and Orum. Both projects, both risks, both turned out, neither injured, and roster was complete at their positions until they developed. But, thanks for 20/20 hindsight. Care to say how AA will turn out? Jelena? Yeah... prob not as they aren't playing to help this team. They aren't even playing a little to begin development. So, yeah great examples of two completely different situations. Toss in Gulich maybe? Oh yeah the same... no semblance to the current situation. But the problem is the 5 isn’t the issue, even with Jelena we have 3 other 5’s currently on the roster. We went into the year with the best depth we’ve ever had at the 4 position. A 2 year returning starting who’s played 40 minutes a game many times, and the programs first McD AA. Now it’s mid February and both are gone. We need to play faster and stop trying to grind games into the dust, play small, run and have fun. This is supposed to be fun damn it! |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 14:54:59 GMT -8
Keep moving those goalposts. You said: "SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason." When clearly, since they were healthy at the time they signed, he was taking the same "risk" that numerous other coaches were prepared to take, because they offered them scholarships too. PS: There is ample, credible film and thorough scouting of international players of Mitrovic's ability. They also watched her play in person, against top-flight competition from other European countries. We certainly knew exactly what we were getting. Who knew we were taking a chance by signing Ruth Hamblin and Kolby Orum, a couple "risky foreign" players? Dude we're speaking in the here and now not April. Both were known to have issues. You take a risk by not taking that into consideration. I never stated risk in SIGNING. Get a clue. Nothing wrong in their being signed. Speak if moving goalposts! Just like Ruthie and Orum. Both projects, both risks, both turned out, neither injured, and roster was complete at their positions until they developed. But, thanks for 20/20 hindsight. Care to say how AA will turn out? Jelena? Yeah... prob not as they aren't playing to help this team. They aren't even playing a little to begin development. So, yeah great examples of two completely different situations. Toss in Gulich maybe? Oh yeah the same... no semblance to the current situation. At what point in her career did Jelena turn into a risk? Was she a risk when she committed? When Rueck began recruiting her? When she signed? When she arrived in Corvallis? When she injured her knee? I think everyone here is very confused by your definition of risk. Also, what risk did Hamblin ever pose? She has always been considered a project in her early years, but I never knew she posed a risk! |
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Post by TheGlove on Feb 15, 2020 14:57:29 GMT -8
Dude we're speaking in the here and now not April. Both were known to have issues. You take a risk by not taking that into consideration. I never stated risk in SIGNING. Get a clue. Nothing wrong in their being signed. Speak if moving goalposts! Just like Ruthie and Orum. Both projects, both risks, both turned out, neither injured, and roster was complete at their positions until they developed. But, thanks for 20/20 hindsight. Care to say how AA will turn out? Jelena? Yeah... prob not as they aren't playing to help this team. They aren't even playing a little to begin development. So, yeah great examples of two completely different situations. Toss in Gulich maybe? Oh yeah the same... no semblance to the current situation. At what point in her career did Jelena turn into a risk? Was she a risk when she committed? When Rueck began recruiting her? When she signed? When she arrived in Corvallis? When she injured her knee? I think everyone here is very confused by your definition of risk. Agreed. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Feb 15, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -8
I never stated risk in SIGNING.
So who said,
first every foreign player is a risk. Film and comp is always in question.
Clearly sounds to me - and everyone else, probably - exactly like you said signing Mitrovic was a risk. Exactly what issues did she have when she was signed?
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Post by blastingsand on Feb 15, 2020 15:30:41 GMT -8
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Post by sparty on Feb 15, 2020 16:02:19 GMT -8
This thread... ![]() Reading this thread.....is a risk. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 15, 2020 16:35:30 GMT -8
Cancer? Chemistry? Seems to me its more of a unspecified heart issue, two knees and a torn hamstring not cancer. Incredibly bad luck. ”cancer” of the ACL and “cancer” of the hamstring. |
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 15, 2020 19:14:55 GMT -8
Is it possible there's a 'cancer' on the team? That was big coach speak back in the day. Not that I know personally, but it’s a pretty good group of young ladies who are honestly “team-first”. I still feel that it’s a combination of injuries and some underperforming from the healthy people that we were counting on. Destiny and Mik have such a high bar, and as good as strong as they have been, it was reasonable for us to expect them shoot even better. It’s not shocking that Kat hasn’t come back from injury playing at the level that we had expected. She was a strong all-around player, but even though she could be streaky, her biggest threat was from the arc. She commanded enough attention our there that it opened up the court for teammates, and when she was hot she could change the game. Aleah started out pretty strong but has been all over the place. I know from talking with Taya earlier that Taya’s injury and absence has been hard on her. We just can’t catch a break. This has been a disappointing year, and we may have a much lower ceiling than we thought earlier, but it’s not over yet. I suspect that we will have to be as lucky as we’ve been unlucky to do much in the PAC 12 and/or NCAA tourneys, but I’ll hold out hope that maybe this team can catch fire and surprise us - starting on Monday night in Pauley. |
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Post by beavadelic on Feb 15, 2020 19:19:47 GMT -8
What OSU needs to do is not have 4 of their biggest and best players out with major injuries that may require more than another full season(or in one case maybe never) before they are able to play.
If any of you have the answers to that problem, let's hear it. Otherwise all the "second guessing" coaching that is going on this sight recently is absurd.
Except 2 are directly related to coaching. SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason. He hoped they would recover or not have set backs. And, if he did not know the full extent of the situations, that too is directly on him. It is also directly on him not to have a backup plan... like use up an extra scholly or two just in case. The other injuries happening and are part of the game. Furd has had similar injuries (maybe more), but had the talented depth to at least stay afloat at a level of play similar to their norm. SR knew more than anyone the talent, or lack thereof, of our bench. Part of this most certainly is on him. You can't keep bad luck from happening, but you can prepare to help mitigate the damage. He's the HC and recruiting wins and losses are on him. You can't say it's one way without saying it is the other. In the case of Andrea, nobody associated with the program, or even Andrea and her family, knew anything about her condition. It was diagnosed after she arrived in Corvallis. What I was told last year was that it came as a complete shock to everyone. A tragic thing for a wonderful young woman looking beyond the court, and a really tough break for her and the program on the floor, because she has a unique skill set for a woman her size. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 19:27:17 GMT -8
Except 2 are directly related to coaching. SR took a risk in two players who were injured or unable to play for whatever medical or nonmedical reason. He hoped they would recover or not have set backs. And, if he did not know the full extent of the situations, that too is directly on him. It is also directly on him not to have a backup plan... like use up an extra scholly or two just in case. The other injuries happening and are part of the game. Furd has had similar injuries (maybe more), but had the talented depth to at least stay afloat at a level of play similar to their norm. SR knew more than anyone the talent, or lack thereof, of our bench. Part of this most certainly is on him. You can't keep bad luck from happening, but you can prepare to help mitigate the damage. He's the HC and recruiting wins and losses are on him. You can't say it's one way without saying it is the other. In the case of Andrea, nobody associated with the program, or even Andrea and her family, knew anything about her condition. It was diagnosed after she arrived in Corvallis. What I was told last year was that it came as a complete shock to everyone. A tragic thing for a wonderful young woman looking beyond the court, and a really tough break for her and the program on the floor, because she has a unique skill set for a woman her size. Recruiting her or Jelena was never the issue. The issue is not adjusting once you've signed then and know of issues that will keep them from playing, AA for sure, Jelena ended up all season but was unknown. No reason not to use the schollies you have available when you know you'll be thin. Plus, you never know when, and unfortunately they did, injuries happen. |
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 15, 2020 20:02:26 GMT -8
I think it's pretty simple really. Injuries have caught up with OSU.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 15, 2020 20:34:51 GMT -8
Not sure how Rueck possibly could have adjusted in in early June when he found out about Jelena’s injury.
He did adjust to Andrea’s situation. He recruited THREE players at her position (4/5) in the class below, giving the roster a total of seven 4/5 players.
I think 12/13 scholarships is optimal, leaving room for someone to transfer in or to bring in a big class if you hit all your targets.
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Post by beav74 on Feb 15, 2020 22:17:18 GMT -8
Problem...we have five players on the end of the bench with the top player averaging 11 minutes a game. You have four players averaging 7 minutes or less. That relates to major fatigue problems in post season play. As of now...we're down to seven players that make a contribution.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 15, 2020 23:39:51 GMT -8
Not sure how Rueck possibly could have adjusted in in early June when he found out about Jelena’s injury. He did adjust to Andrea’s situation. He recruited THREE players at her position (4/5) in the class below, giving the roster a total of seven 4/5 players. I think 12/13 scholarships is optimal, leaving room for someone to transfer in or to bring in a big class if you hit all your targets. Could have looked at experienced grad transfer. Several moved May thru August. I'm not sure how the discussion started... depth, injuries, ?, but never said it was some huge mistake and it only more apparent after key injuries. But, I was never a fan of the inside game once Jelena wasn't going to start the season healthy. My only concern with this class after Jelena's injury was no experience at the 4/5 behind TC. My personal opinion is that Maddie, Morris, and Thropay aren't viable Pac12 options for a top 3/4 Pac12 team. Others may. But, TC, KB, TJ were the extent I went in making my opinion. So I thought OSU very young and vulnerable in that department. Really only Taylor is a 5 if Jelena couldn't play since Kennedy wanted to stay outside. That said with the multiple posters who take exception to my use of risk. No recruit is a sure thing. There's always a rush/chance/possibility they don't pan out. And, if you already know one isn't playing and another may be delayed for a unknown length of time maybe you have another backup plan. A plan that's an option to those already on the roster that hardly play, or limited in Maddie's case. Of course this is all 20/20 hindsight for some. But, I posted my concern of youth and depth up front very early. Also think I said that OSU would probably be in the 3rd-5th range due to lack of inside game. Of course chastised because of course OSU is automatically a Pac12 title contender and top 10 team. Until they're not. Of course to those that think SR is a deity of some kind that thought process is blasphemy. I get it. Only certain folks on here can ever question SR decisions, game planning, or offer alternate theories. Can't wait for the numerous responses. But, I'll leave the topic to other experts. |
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