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Post by osubeaver2018 on Feb 25, 2020 11:43:45 GMT -8
Yet we got blown out by them so where does that put us? We split with UA this year... so far. Was referencing the UW blowout more than UA. We also blew UA out at home so can't really say too much about the UA series IMO.
And yes I consider the UW game a blowout because it was only single digits again in the last minute of the game. The team never showed up to begin with.
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Post by nabeav on Feb 25, 2020 11:44:03 GMT -8
Third... in no way can anyone justify the latest extension given to WT. Well, here's how they did: This past season Tinkle led Oregon State to its first winning record in conference play (10-8) and best finish in league play (tie for fourth) since 1989-90. The Beavers swept Oregon and USC, and had its first conference road sweep (at Colorado, at Utah) since 2008-09.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 11:54:12 GMT -8
Keep digging... First... this has now become a let's use Sean Miller and Zona fans to prove it's true for the general case of all fan bases. Second... journalist love clickbait "fans" like you. Because we all know "Fans are... losing confidence... saying for years..." means he's interviewed the majority of all Zona fans... the 14k who attend and the thousands that watch on the screens? And, is the same guy 4 months earlier praising who Sean is as a coach and recruiter?! There is one, of several, ways to tell when a coach has lost the "fan base", or never really had them... like when the average home attendance is 4829, in a building of over 9k, and 170 below the 5-27 season in '16-17.... or 23% drop since NCAA season that still only drew 6256/game.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 11:58:17 GMT -8
Third... in no way can anyone justify the latest extension given to WT. Well, here's how they did: This past season Tinkle led Oregon State to its first winning record in conference play (10-8) and best finish in league play (tie for fourth) since 1989-90. The Beavers swept Oregon and USC, and had its first conference road sweep (at Colorado, at Utah) since 2008-09. And... whether supporters want to count it or not... he is still 24 games under .500. No matter the past... WT's RESULTS: he's had one winning Pac12 seasons in 6 years... I believe he is the 10th winniest coach in the Pac12 during his tenure.... His recruiting is in the bottom 1/3 of the Pac12. Sounds like a government job... keep tossing more money at it... it'll surely fix the issue!
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Post by nabeav on Feb 25, 2020 12:05:07 GMT -8
Just so we're clear, you're still saying that you've never said or suggested OSU should fire Wayne Tinkle?
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Post by green85 on Feb 25, 2020 12:37:42 GMT -8
Well, here's how they did: This past season Tinkle led Oregon State to its first winning record in conference play (10-8) and best finish in league play (tie for fourth) since 1989-90. The Beavers swept Oregon and USC, and had its first conference road sweep (at Colorado, at Utah) since 2008-09. And... whether supporters want to count it or not... he is still 24 games under .500. No matter the past... WT's RESULTS: he's had one winning Pac12 seasons in 6 years... I believe he is the 10th winniest coach in the Pac12 during his tenure.... His recruiting is in the bottom 1/3 of the Pac12. Sounds like a government job... keep tossing more money at it... it'll surely fix the issue! 1 winning Pac12 season in the last 6 years. Kinda begs the question ... what is acceptable win-loss performance metric for OSU in the Pac12 over the next 6 years? If Tinkle wins 10 Pac12 games in '20-'21 basketball season, is that enough to move him off the hot seat? Does he get a contract extension for that? Assume Tinkle gets 10 wins in 20-21, and then repeats that performance with 10-8 in Pac12 play in 21-22. Is that enough to extend the contract (again)? That would be 3 winning Pac12 conference records in 9 years (total tenure). Is that mediocre? Now toss all that aside and go with the assumption that Tinkle's OSU basketball team goes 6-12 in Pac12 play in '20-'21. Assume that is enough execute the buy-out and move on to the next coach for OSU basketball. Starting with the new coach, what should be the expectations for the first 3 years in Pac12 play? 10-8 in year 1? or maybe 5-13 year 1, then 7-11 year 2, and then 10-8 year 3? Seems like a tough go when it comes to expectations with Tinkle versus a new coach ...
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 12:55:09 GMT -8
Just so we're clear, you're still saying that you've never said or suggested OSU should fire Wayne Tinkle? Just so you're clear... I've said we not going to in the near future. OSU shouldn't have to owe huge amounts if it did happen. Handing out early and then unreasonable extensions for a program that has shown ZERO sustain growth should never have happened. And, honestly in the case that it was not some huge financial burden I might be openingly saying that he should be let go. But, that would also be done face to face with Mr. Barnes. I'm sure he'd enjoy another visit after our 2015 and 2016 talks. I have no control over the matter and spouting "FIRE THE COACH" is a waste of breath/typing. And, I wouldn't want him fired if the process caused the entire AD some undue financial harm. I do not know the exact details of how such finances can be detrimental to say, another program(s). Hence, I do not just shout out inane posturings without full consideration to OSU as a whole. I am pointing out the lack of attributes that make WT not the guy to lead OSU hoops past the level they are currently at. I typically only post such info after someone makes excuses why he is a great coach or the best option we have. I have never settled for mediocrity or any excuse for it. And, like any coaching change, leaving or firing, there is no guarantee the next guy is better. I believe the only time I've proposed "firing" was about a coach I was vehement against hiring in the first place, and obviously firing wasn't going to take place then! My point, if OSU and hoops fans specifically want OSU to climb the Pac12 ladder they need to look for a different coach. And, the extreme financial strain in doing so was self imposed by the AD. I support OSU and look forward seeing to what the new Prez does within the AD department. Hopefully some real positive changes will happen whenever he gets to that departmental overview.
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 25, 2020 12:55:53 GMT -8
Yet we got blown out by them so where does that put us? We split with UA this year... so far. UW not UA. UW is the team I was referring to that is underachieving based on the fact that they have 3 NBA caliber players on their roster.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 12:57:50 GMT -8
We split with UA this year... so far. UW not UA. UW is the team I was referring to that is underachieving based on the fact that they have 3 NBA caliber players on their roster. That may be his problem... too many "me's", not enough "us's"
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 25, 2020 12:57:56 GMT -8
Just so we're clear, you're still saying that you've never said or suggested OSU should fire Wayne Tinkle? Just so you're clear... I've said we not going to in the near future. OSU shouldn't have to owe huge amounts if it did happen. Handing out early and then unreasonable extensions for a program that has shown ZERO sustain growth should never have happened. And, honestly in the case that it was not some huge financial burden I might be openingly saying that he should be let go. But, that would also be done face to face with Mr. Barnes. I'm sure he'd enjoy another visit after our 2015 and 2016 talks. I have no control over the matter and spouting "FIRE THE COACH" is a waste of breath/typing. And, I wouldn't want him fired if the process caused the entire AD some undue financial harm. I do not know the exact details of how such finances can be detrimental to say, another program(s). Hence, I do not just shout out inane posturings without full consideration to OSU as a whole. I am pointing out the lack of attributes that make WT not the guy to lead OSU hoops past the level they are currently at. I typically only post such info after someone makes excuses why he is a great coach or the best option we have. I have never settled for mediocrity or any excuse for it. And, like any coaching change, leaving or firing, there is no guarantee the next guy is better. I believe the only time I've proposed "firing" was about a coach I was vehement against hiring in the first place, and obviously firing wasn't going to take place then! My point, if OSU and hoops fans specifically want OSU to climb the Pac12 ladder they need to look for a different coach. And, the extreme financial strain in doing so was self imposed by the AD. I support OSU and look forward seeing to what the new Prez does within the AD department. Hopefully some real positive changes will happen whenever he gets to that departmental overview. Your posts suggest otherwise.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 25, 2020 13:03:26 GMT -8
If some won't say it I Will. WT needs to go at the end of the pac12 tourney. Use stansbury's payback as part of the buyout. If some say can't afford to get rid of him I say the program can't afford to keep him. Lets get real. Look at the roster after this year. You got Silva starting at center with no back up. That by itself should be enough to tell you what the season is going to be like. Quit wasting time. Do the inevitable
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Post by nabeav on Feb 25, 2020 13:06:17 GMT -8
Me: We shouldn't fire Wayne Tinkle. Here are the reasons why I think he shouldn't be fired.
Baseba1111: Here are all the reasons why you're wrong to suggest that we should keep him. But I also agree that we should keep him.
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Post by tnarg33 on Feb 25, 2020 13:16:47 GMT -8
Baseba1111 let me save you the trouble:
nabeav, comprehend much? Are you having trouble in your feeble/simple mind/brain reading my posts? Don't you realize/understand that I was at the ASU game while also watching it on TV and "my" phone and posting on Benny's house while getting text updates so I know exactly what transpired. Can't you tell by the "fact" that I have "sources" in the "athletic department" and have talked/spoken to "many" insiders of Beaver nation. Don't you know that I will use so many "quotes" and backslashes that it is hard to know what the hell I am talking about and then "continuously" get in arguments with posters about how they didn't understand my "posts". Haven't you learned by now that with my over 3300 more posts than the next closest guy that I am the expert/scholar on "all" things OSU. And also can't you tell that a majority of those post are me making certain I shout down any opposition and get the last word. That uneducated novice Tnarg33 rightly pointed out I was a phony last week so you know what I did. I googled him to find out his name, like a real sleuth, and then read over his posts to form a nice personal attack because being right on Benny's House is my "Masters".
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 25, 2020 13:18:58 GMT -8
Me: We shouldn't fire Wayne Tinkle. Here are the reasons why I think he shouldn't be fired. Baseba1111: Here are all the reasons why you're wrong to suggest that we should keep him. But I also agree that we should keep him. "... he's a good coach nor will he improve the program..." "... probably are forced to keep him." There helped you out...
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Feb 25, 2020 13:21:02 GMT -8
As for WT, if he ever finished 2nd in the Pac12 fans will be so ecstatic and in shock they'll probably want him as Governor!Some may want him as Governor now..............I know, I know, take it to the porch........ Go Beavs!!
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