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Post by sparty on Jan 6, 2020 13:04:43 GMT -8
Actually, they can be up 40 points and most, if not all, of the starters are still in. Got to pad the stats for those triple doubles. That’s why their scores are so high. But I agree the bench players are very good. This sounds like UConn fans whining about Ionescu's stats. She's averaging 31.4 mpg, nothing egregious about that. Hebard at 26.4 and Sabally at 25. Pivec is averaging 32.4, Slocum 28.9 and Goodman 29.3. There is some kind of large misconception out there that Oregon starters play almost the whole game. Stats say otherwise rather emphatically. (FTR UConn has 3 starters averaging over 36 mpg so their fans are the last people in the world that should be talking about how many minutes other teams' starters play) I believe most of the uo starters sat in the fourth quarter against Colorado? Correct me if I am wrong on that because it is second hand info but they were still pulling away with three freshman on the floor at times. And Minyon Moore might be better than Cazorla. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 6, 2020 13:18:50 GMT -8
This sounds like UConn fans whining about Ionescu's stats. She's averaging 31.4 mpg, nothing egregious about that. Hebard at 26.4 and Sabally at 25. Pivec is averaging 32.4, Slocum 28.9 and Goodman 29.3. There is some kind of large misconception out there that Oregon starters play almost the whole game. Stats say otherwise rather emphatically. (FTR UConn has 3 starters averaging over 36 mpg so their fans are the last people in the world that should be talking about how many minutes other teams' starters play) I believe most of the uo starters sat in the fourth quarter against Colorado? Correct me if I am wrong on that because it is second hand info but they were still pulling away with three freshman on the floor at times. And Minyon Moore might be better than Cazorla. I only flipped over to that game a few times but I definitely saw a lot of bench players in during the 4th quarter. Everybody was under 30 minutes according to box score, most starters barely over 20. Minutes distribution very similar against Utah. |
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 6, 2020 16:41:56 GMT -8
I believe most of the uo starters sat in the fourth quarter against Colorado? Correct me if I am wrong on that because it is second hand info but they were still pulling away with three freshman on the floor at times. And Minyon Moore might be better than Cazorla. I only flipped over to that game a few times but I definitely saw a lot of bench players in during the 4th quarter. Everybody was under 30 minutes according to box score, most starters barely over 20. Minutes distribution very similar against Utah. Unfortunately for me, I watch all their games. More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in. And I disagree, Minyon Moore is not better than Maite. Not even close. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 6, 2020 17:12:59 GMT -8
I only flipped over to that game a few times but I definitely saw a lot of bench players in during the 4th quarter. Everybody was under 30 minutes according to box score, most starters barely over 20. Minutes distribution very similar against Utah. Unfortunately for me, I watch all their games. More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in. And I disagree, Minyon Moore is not better than Maite. Not even close. Welp... guess they are cheating on the minutes played stats too? Lol |
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 6, 2020 17:36:42 GMT -8
Unfortunately for me, I watch all their games. More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in. And I disagree, Minyon Moore is not better than Maite. Not even close. Welp... guess they are cheating on the minutes played stats too? Lol Lol. Because you’ve watched every game and studied stats for every game...because stats show everything. Lol |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 6, 2020 17:46:28 GMT -8
I for one could care less what queen ionescu and her court did every yesterday, today, and every tomorrow for as long as time goes on.
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Post by sparty on Jan 6, 2020 18:03:18 GMT -8
Unfortunately for me, I watch all their games. More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in. And I disagree, Minyon Moore is not better than Maite. Not even close. Welp... guess they are cheating on the minutes played stats too? Lol Interesting, I did not watch either of their Pac-12 games did anyone else? One poster said they did not play their bench and the other said they did. I guess we will never know at this point especially if the minutes were falsified. Oldbeav watch all of their games and said all the starters stayed in. I heard second hand at work they did not play their starter in the fourth against Colorado so that Duck fan at work is lying to me. |
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 6, 2020 18:35:25 GMT -8
Welp... guess they are cheating on the minutes played stats too? Lol Interesting, I did not watch either of their Pac-12 games did anyone else? One poster said they did not play their bench and the other said they did. I guess we will never know at this point especially if the minutes were falsified. Oldbeav watch all of their games and said all the starters stayed in. I heard second hand at work they did not play their starter in the fourth against Colorado so that Duck fan at work is lying to me. “More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in.” No mention specifically of Colorado or Utah. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 6, 2020 18:53:48 GMT -8
Interesting, I did not watch either of their Pac-12 games did anyone else? One poster said they did not play their bench and the other said they did. I guess we will never know at this point especially if the minutes were falsified. Oldbeav watch all of their games and said all the starters stayed in. I heard second hand at work they did not play their starter in the fourth against Colorado so that Duck fan at work is lying to me. “More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in.” No mention specifically of Colorado or Utah. One game is a moment in time. I can name at least one where SR kept starters in up 30-40... preseason they need work, conditioning, chemistry. That said... stats on minutes played are everything. They show specifically what each player averages over a season. "More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand" Ucks players, stats on minutes played as posted above, obviously don't get over played in blowouts on any regular basis... or any other game. |
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Post by oldbeav on Jan 6, 2020 19:12:48 GMT -8
“More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand. I watched them up 40 points in a preseason game with all 5 starters still in.” No mention specifically of Colorado or Utah. One game is a moment in time. I can name at least one where SR kept starters in up 30-40... preseason they need work, conditioning, chemistry. That said... stats on minutes played are everything. They show specifically what each player averages over a season. "More often than not, the first string is in when the game is out of hand" Ucks players, stats on minutes played as posted above, obviously don't get over played in blowouts on any regular basis... or any other game. Apples to oranges comparison. LOL |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 6, 2020 19:14:27 GMT -8
Ionescu is currently averaging 4.5 minutes less this season than she did last season. She averaged nearly 36 minutes per game last season, prompting many observers to question why Graves would risk injury to her in games in which Oregon was up 20+ points to start the fourth quarter. She also averaged more than 35 minutes per game during her sophomore season.
To Graves' credit, he is resting her more now when the outcome is clearly decided early.
The Oregon starters sat during the fourth quarter against Colorado. Against Utah, Ionescu remained in the game until two minutes remained and Oregon's lead was at 39. However, Ionescu played a total of 29 minutes in that game so Graves was likely having her in the game that late to facilitate with a number of the reserves.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 7, 2020 11:28:40 GMT -8
They also have more quality reserves at the guard spot. That makes a big difference.
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Post by carlosdanger on Jan 7, 2020 11:55:30 GMT -8
Against Utah, Ionescu remained in the game until two minutes remained and Oregon's lead was at 39.
Not true. Ionescu was on the bench to start the fourth quarter and sat the majority of the fourth quarter. She was only put back into the game at the 3:29 mark, along with Minyon Moore, to give the backups a breather. Graves said the backups weren't used to playing a full quarter at a time and got tired. Ionescu and Moore were then taken back out at the 1:38 mark. The math adds up to Ionescu playing less than 2 minutes in the fourth quarter.
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Post by shelby on Jan 7, 2020 13:12:04 GMT -8
Apples to oranges comparison. LOL As$holes to Oranges ! ( my preference ) |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 8, 2020 14:01:18 GMT -8
Ionescu was inserted back in the game with Oregon up by 38 with 3:28 to play against Utah as carlosdanger posted. The excuse that Oregon's reserves were tired is a lame one.
Ionescu shouldn't have been in the game with that lead and at that time. Graves could have called a timeout to give his reserves a breather if one was needed.
Rueck wouldn't insert Pivec and Slocum back into the game under similar circumstances unless Simmons, Goodman, and Mannen were all injured and unavailable. If those three were "tired", it would be a conditioning opportunity for them.
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