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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 29, 2020 18:19:52 GMT -8
Mike Riley inherited a program with three wins in two years, changed the offense entirely, and had five wins in Year 2. Two years later DE went to the Fiesta Bowl. JS inherited a near-winless train wreck and won five games in Year 2. So maybe football isn't harder to turn around. That's quite a statistically relevant sample size there, genius. Ok then let's use Mike Leach at WSU. Program was a train wreck. Quickly turned it around, while MBB struggled under Bone and Kent, and this year too. Let's try Cal. Wilcox took the Bears to a bowl game quickly after the Sonny Dykes disaster. Basketball still average despite several coaching changes. How about Stanford, with Harbaugh? Turned them into a winner and they haven't looked back. Stanford basketball has been very average since Monty left. How about Wake Forest, under Dave Clawson? Vastly improved program, hoops just fired another coach who can't win there. What about Minnesota, with Row the Boat guy? Their MBB program can't get out of its own way under Pitino. What about Washington? Petersen inherited a down program that Sark had wrecked, had it in the national semifinals in Year 4 or 5, can't remember. Hopkins started fast at UW but the Huskies finished last in the Pac-12 last season, I think. How about Fresno State, under Tedford? Turned a one-win team into a MWC power in two years, while their hoops program still struggles. How about Hawaii, under Rolovich? Took over a dead program from Chow in 2015 and has been to numerous bowls. Their basketball program is average at best. I'm no genius but there are lots of examples of quick football turnarounds at places where hoops still struggles.
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Post by alwaysorange on May 29, 2020 19:08:52 GMT -8
For all you WT backers lets be just a little honest the ONLY reason he is still head coach here is he has an extension and the athletic department can't afford to buy him out. If there wasn't an extension he would be gone. You know it and I know it.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 29, 2020 20:07:31 GMT -8
For all you WT backers lets be just a little honest the ONLY reason he is still head coach here is he has an extension and the athletic department can't afford to buy him out. If there wasn't an extension he would be gone. You know it and I know it. I do like Tinkle, but I consider myself a sanity backer more than a WT backer. I think it's insane to fire coaches every 4-5 years (unless they're really crappy or representing the University badly) or watching good ones leave in 2-4 years (McKay and Andersen didn't bother me in the least, but watching Riley and Erickson leave quickly stung a hair even though I could understand the reasons they left). I really doubt Tinkle would have been fired for going 18 and 13 with a lock an an NIT bid and still a slight possibility at an NCAA bid (If they had beaten uo that last afternoon it would have been 4 straight wins, coming off a win over #13 dux that they'd beaten 3 of the last 4 times they met, one more good win might have gotten them in). I think the only way he would have been fired is if we had a brand new AD that wanted to put his stamp on things like Nebraska did when they fired Solich, and even Riley for that matter.
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Post by orangeexpress on May 29, 2020 20:17:17 GMT -8
Not only were no current college players alive when Ralph coached, there are parents of players today that weren't even alive when Ralph last won an NCAA postseason tournament game... We are now generations away from being relevant in MBB. What drives me crazy about it is that in the 1980s and 90s, OSU football was a similar jalopy of a program, in what should be a MUCH harder sport to turn around. Yet it was done, and looks like it will be done again. I cannot understand why OSU isn't able to consistently field a team that can make the dance every few years. Just getting into the dance is akin to getting to a decent bowl game, which Riley managed periodically over a good period of time. Are we really not abel to find at least a Mike Riley-level basketball coach over 30+ years?!! I get the feeling that we may have had a Mike Riley-level basketball coach in Ritchie McKay. But, instead of Dennis Erickson, we hired Jay John. And then, when he was fired, we hired Craig Robinson, as opposed to McKay. Mike Riley is the winningest coach in Oregon State football history. Your question is why we cannot find the greatest coach in Oregon State basketball history in a period of 25 years of seriously looking? Also, getting a Tournament invite is more akin to being a top 25 football team rather than the more nebulous "getting to a decent bowl game" standard that you set forth above. Since they started issuing rankings in 1936, Stiner finished ranked once, Prothro finished ranked twice (or three times, if you include the UPI poll), Andros finished ranked twice (or three times, if you include the UPI poll), Erickson finished ranked once, and Riley finished ranked four times (or three times, if you just use the ESPN/USA Today poll). In this analogy Ritchie McKay is akin to Gary Andersen and not Mike Riley - both McKay and Andersen tried in vain to strip bare each program with no concern about those recruited by the prior coaching staff. Ritchie was more than happy to run off Jimmie Haywood and Brian Jackson due to his inflated ego with no regard of how worse the team would have performed the following year. Thank you again New Mexico for taking him off our hands. My two least favorite coaches at OSU over the past 30 years without question.
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Post by alwaysorange on May 29, 2020 20:18:34 GMT -8
If you love your kid coming home with straight Cs you'll love WT's coaching and recruiting
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 29, 2020 20:26:06 GMT -8
If you love your kid coming home with straight Cs you'll love WT's coaching and recruiting If my kid was coming home with straight Cs, I'd love him up some and encourage him to get better, not send his ass packing. There are better ways to deal with disappointing my ego than hate. Now if he was really doing bad, or was a bad kid, I'd be laying down the law (or freaking out and wondering where I went wrong I guess).
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Post by spudbeaver on May 29, 2020 20:29:14 GMT -8
If you love your kid coming home with straight Cs you'll love WT's coaching and recruiting Hey! You know what they say. C stands for “Can graduate!”
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 29, 2020 21:54:51 GMT -8
If you love your kid coming home with straight Cs you'll love WT's coaching and recruiting
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 29, 2020 22:01:09 GMT -8
If my kid was coming home with straight Cs, I'd love him up some and encourage him to get better, not send his ass packing. There are better ways to deal with disappointing my ego than hate. Now if he was really doing bad, or was a bad kid, I'd be laying down the law (or freaking out and wondering where I went wrong I guess). Wow... missed that reference by a Greg Street mile! Hint... the kid isn't WT! It's a Greg Street mile, though? I am pretty sure that Greg Street would say that drunkandstoopidbeav caught the black.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 29, 2020 22:18:27 GMT -8
If my kid was coming home with straight Cs, I'd love him up some and encourage him to get better, not send his ass packing. There are better ways to deal with disappointing my ego than hate. Now if he was really doing bad, or was a bad kid, I'd be laying down the law (or freaking out and wondering where I went wrong I guess). Wow... missed that reference by a Greg Street mile! Hint... the kid isn't WT! Guess I don't get the reference, don't know who Greg Street is either.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 29, 2020 22:33:34 GMT -8
Wow... missed that reference by a Greg Street mile! Hint... the kid isn't WT! Guess I don't get the reference, don't know who Greg Street is either. Strike! Greg Street was the home plate umpire that ended Oregon State's 2017 season with his wildly inconsistent strike zone that seemed to grow when the orange guys were at the plate and shrink when the purple guys stepped up to the plate.
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Post by pitbeavs on May 29, 2020 23:15:40 GMT -8
Wayne Tinkle has coached Oregon State to one losing season in the past six years. In the other five, Oregon State has been .500 or better five times. Tinkle has coached exactly as many non-losing seasons as the six coaches before him did in the 24 years after Gary Payton graduated combined. Tinkle is statistically the best coach that Oregon State has had since Ralph Miller. Are you saying that Scott Barnes is the AD that can find the needle in the haystick of coaches that are actually better than Tinkle, who would actually want to come and coach in Corvallis? If Tinkle is not the coach next year, I would put a C-note down that Oregon State has more than one losing season in the next six. That is easy money. I am sure that there are several coaches that can do a better job than Tinkle, but none of them would coach here. And there are hundreds who are worse than Tinkle. Needle and Haystack is an extreme fabrication. There are many talented coaches in MBB. Many better than WT. One losing season. Yep if you want to rely on the pathetic NC schedule to pad such a claim. What is his record when it matters? How many winning seasons? With arguably 2-3 of the best ranked recruits in the past 30 years, on the same teams, he still flounders. Funny his recruiting is bottom third of the Pac12. He can't win consistently in Pac12 play with 4* (sons or not) types. So what does that say about his player development skills? The "excuse makers" always have one in the chamber. Typically want to use the past to judge the present. First, it was give him 3 recruiting classes, then 4, then 5... Going into season 7 this roster is pathetic. And, the WT fans applaud landing 2* JCs that had zero P5 offers?! The Riley analogy is very appropriate. Now Jonathan has done more for that program in his short stint than WT in 6+ seasons. I'm guessing when WT departs there will be no chance for success cuz history says so? I'll put several C notes you're wrong! Baseba1111, is that you? Who'd you sleep with to get a return invite?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 29, 2020 23:46:23 GMT -8
Needle and Haystack is an extreme fabrication. There are many talented coaches in MBB. Many better than WT. One losing season. Yep if you want to rely on the pathetic NC schedule to pad such a claim. What is his record when it matters? How many winning seasons? With arguably 2-3 of the best ranked recruits in the past 30 years, on the same teams, he still flounders. Funny his recruiting is bottom third of the Pac12. He can't win consistently in Pac12 play with 4* (sons or not) types. So what does that say about his player development skills? The "excuse makers" always have one in the chamber. Typically want to use the past to judge the present. First, it was give him 3 recruiting classes, then 4, then 5... Going into season 7 this roster is pathetic. And, the WT fans applaud landing 2* JCs that had zero P5 offers?! The Riley analogy is very appropriate. Now Jonathan has done more for that program in his short stint than WT in 6+ seasons. I'm guessing when WT departs there will be no chance for success cuz history says so? I'll put several C notes you're wrong! Baseba1111, is that you? Who'd you sleep with to get a return invite? Looking at the member's button, Baseba111's last check in was on April 20th at 11:13 PM, and scubasteve registered on April 21st at 12:11PM. Maybe it's a huge coinkydink, and even a bigger one that they use virtually the same arguments against Tinkle. I for one would rather talk scuba with scubasteve, as long as I don't have to explain partial pressure of oxygen or the difference between Bernouli's principle and Boyle's law, I always mess up which one is which even though I kinda understand the basics, I'm more a fan of the experience than all of the nitty gritty I guess.
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Post by irimi on May 30, 2020 8:01:20 GMT -8
Baseba1111, is that you? Who'd you sleep with to get a return invite? Looking at the member's button, Baseba111's last check in was on April 20th at 11:13 PM, and scubasteve registered on April 21st at 12:11PM. Maybe it's a huge coinkydink, and even a bigger one that they use virtually the same arguments against Tinkle. I for one would rather talk scuba with scubasteve, as long as I don't have to explain partial pressure of oxygen or the difference between Bernouli's principle and Boyle's law, I always mess up which one is which even though I kinda understand the basics, I'm more a fan of the experience than all of the nitty gritty I guess. With the virus and no sports, I missed all the fireworks. Baseba1111 is out of here? Wow!
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Post by Judge Smails on May 30, 2020 8:24:55 GMT -8
Baseba1111, is that you? Who'd you sleep with to get a return invite? Looking at the member's button, Baseba111's last check in was on April 20th at 11:13 PM, and scubasteve registered on April 21st at 12:11PM. Maybe it's a huge coinkydink, and even a bigger one that they use virtually the same arguments against Tinkle. I for one would rather talk scuba with scubasteve, as long as I don't have to explain partial pressure of oxygen or the difference between Bernouli's principle and Boyle's law, I always mess up which one is which even though I kinda understand the basics, I'm more a fan of the experience than all of the nitty gritty I guess. Now we can refer to him as scuba balls!
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