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Post by gnawitall on Jan 4, 2020 11:02:50 GMT -8
If we hire Lester Conner one of his incentives could be an honorary degree if he gets us to the dance.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 4, 2020 11:35:51 GMT -8
If we're looking at big sky coaches... Mike Montgomery, Larry Krystowiak, Stew Morrill, Blaine Taylor, Jud Heathcote all went on to decent success... but none of them had as good of a record at Montana as Wayne Tinkle had at Montana.
Just saying taking on a Big Sky coach is no guarantee of success.
As for Gary and his Big 3 coaching experience, we probably should be going after Lisa Leslie, or better yet Nancy Lieberman (who also has NBA coaching experience) as they coached championships in that league.
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Post by thetruebeav on Jan 4, 2020 14:30:08 GMT -8
Terry Porter gets a lot out of his players at UP. But his sons will be done playing soon. I love me some TP when he was with the Blazers but in 4 years at UP has a .319 winning % Hmmmmm....... if if that's "getting the most" out of his players then well his players aren't very good. P.S. and he recruited em
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 4, 2020 14:40:31 GMT -8
Terry Porter gets a lot out of his players at UP. But his sons will be done playing soon. I love me some TP when he was with the Blazers but in 4 years at UP has a .319 winning % Hmmmmm....... if if that's "getting the most" out of his players then well his players aren't very good.  P.S. and he recruited em Seems to me even though Tinkle has produced the best results on the court, and possibly in the classroom as well, by an OSU men's basketball coach in around 30 or more years, there sure are people willing to take semmingly ANY coach to get rid of him. The grass is always greener on the other side. Even if it isn't.
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Post by zeroposter on Jan 4, 2020 15:27:17 GMT -8
I love me some TP when he was with the Blazers but in 4 years at UP has a .319 winning % Hmmmmm....... if if that's "getting the most" out of his players then well his players aren't very good.  P.S. and he recruited em Seems to me even though Tinkle has produced the best results on the court, and possibly in the classroom as well, by an OSU men's basketball coach in around 30 or more years, there sure are people willing to take semmingly ANY coach to get rid of him. The grass is always greener on the other side. Even if it isn't. This is true to a very large extent. However, there is a feeling that this has to be the year, and the very weak preseason schedule and results against a couple of down teams, combined with an opening road loss to a team the Beavers really needed to beat, and the future doesn't look bright. With KK and Tres gone after this season, the future looks bleak. Hopefully, the Beavers beat Colorado. I want WT to be successful, but that Utah game was tough to take in a critical season.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 4, 2020 15:37:37 GMT -8
I love me some TP when he was with the Blazers but in 4 years at UP has a .319 winning % Hmmmmm....... if if that's "getting the most" out of his players then well his players aren't very good.  P.S. and he recruited em Seems to me even though Tinkle has produced the best results on the court, and possibly in the classroom as well, by an OSU men's basketball coach in around 30 or more years, there sure are people willing to take semmingly ANY coach to get rid of him. The grass is always greener on the other side. Even if it isn't. Yeah... that's NOT it! Never has been, never was. It's that type of BS that's just plain stupid. NO ONE on this board EVER stated "ANY" other coach was better. If you think WT is the right guy, and that 21 under in Pac12 play is cool, fine. Support him/his program with facts. Just stop making s%#t up. WTF.
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Post by thetruebeav on Jan 4, 2020 16:33:16 GMT -8
Seems to me even though Tinkle has produced the best results on the court, and possibly in the classroom as well, by an OSU men's basketball coach in around 30 or more years, there sure are people willing to take semmingly ANY coach to get rid of him. The grass is always greener on the other side. Even if it isn't. Yeah... that's NOT it! Never has been, never was. It's that type of BS that's just plain stupid. NO ONE on this board EVER stated "ANY" other coach was better. If you think WT is the right guy, and that 21 under in Pac12 play is cool, fine. Support him/his program with facts. Just stop making s%#t up. WTF. Baseba1111 dig your insight, passion and all things BEAVS. But yes a cat that wins 31% of his games in year 4 was mentioned up there âïž. Liked him in rip city playing....but his college record is icky. Then drunkinstupid says grass ain't always green. Thats it Man I hope Tinks can catch fire đ„ and get the club turning around 2 an NCAA tourney. I know you, and all the posters want that as well. I also know that this is D1 & Pac 12 hoops. Results & the expectations are high everywhere. Comes with the gig. So when peeps say "hey that other yard over there (possible new coach) is sexy... I get that point but who really knows? There are no guarantees someone else is better or worse. Beauty in sports with that. But all this discussion is FAIR in a win-loss business
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 4, 2020 16:35:27 GMT -8
Yeah... that's NOT it! Never has been, never was. It's that type of BS that's just plain stupid. NO ONE on this board EVER stated "ANY" other coach was better. If you think WT is the right guy, and that 21 under in Pac12 play is cool, fine. Support him/his program with facts. Just stop making s%#t up. WTF. Baseba1111 dig your insight, passion and all things BEAVS.  But yes a cat that wins 31% of his games in year 4 was mentioned up there âïž.  Liked him in rip city playing....but his college record is icky.  Then drunkinstupid says grass ain't always green.  Thats it Man I hope Tinks can catch fire đ„ and get the club turning around 2 an NCAA tourney.  I know you, and all the posters want that as well.  I also know that this is D1 & Pac 12 hoops.  Results & the expectations are high everywhere.  Comes with the gig.  So when peeps say "hey that other yard over there (possible new coach) is sexy... I get that point but who really knows?  There are no guarantees someone else is better or worse. Beauty in sports with that.  But all this discussion is FAIR in a win-loss business No... he stated fans said "ANY" coach would be ok.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 4, 2020 16:41:09 GMT -8
18 of those 21 was due to 1 season. You and I have argued back and forth on how badly Robinson had left the next coach, and I've showed you facts, like Tinkle inherited 0 regular starters, the top scorer Tinkle inherited averaged 4 points a game (none of the others averaged 3), and none of the inherited players had 3 years of eligibility left.
That said, I expect the Beavs to be competing for a post season berth this year and if they don't get one Tinkle should have a hot seat. However, we should take a thoughtful look at why this program is in the shape it's in. We had a popular President's brother as head coach and despite the publicity it got the program his last 2 classes were pretty much complete misses. It may be more than who's the coach.
There are coach's names being thrown around in this thread that haven't had the success at the same level as Tinkle had.
My thinking is, the season is young, it needs to play through the first half of league play before freaking out. We've got recruiting going on and loud negative presences on social media don't necessarily help.
My thinking is IF Tinkle is replaced AFTER the season has played out, I'd think it would be wise to invest in the program and bring a truly successful power 5 coach in -like OSU did when they brought in Miller. These days I can't think of any that would actually come here off the top of my head. Tinkle is the best we've had going the othr route.
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Post by ag87 on Jan 4, 2020 16:45:37 GMT -8
Terry Porter gets a lot out of his players at UP. But his sons will be done playing soon. UP is going to finish last in the WCC
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 4, 2020 16:47:07 GMT -8
Baseba1111 dig your insight, passion and all things BEAVS.  But yes a cat that wins 31% of his games in year 4 was mentioned up there âïž.  Liked him in rip city playing....but his college record is icky.  Then drunkinstupid says grass ain't always green.  Thats it Man I hope Tinks can catch fire đ„ and get the club turning around 2 an NCAA tourney.  I know you, and all the posters want that as well.  I also know that this is D1 & Pac 12 hoops.  Results & the expectations are high everywhere.  Comes with the gig.  So when peeps say "hey that other yard over there (possible new coach) is sexy... I get that point but who really knows?  There are no guarantees someone else is better or worse. Beauty in sports with that.  But all this discussion is FAIR in a win-loss business No... he stated fans said "ANY" coach would be ok. When you are talking coaches that have won less than 32% of their games the last 4 years, I'd consider that pretty much "ANY". Believe it or not I did not specifically point that comment at you, I think you'dhave higher expectations of a replacement coach than some.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 4, 2020 16:49:06 GMT -8
Baseba1111 dig your insight, passion and all things BEAVS.  But yes a cat that wins 31% of his games in year 4 was mentioned up there âïž.  Liked him in rip city playing....but his college record is icky.  Then drunkinstupid says grass ain't always green.  Thats it Man I hope Tinks can catch fire đ„ and get the club turning around 2 an NCAA tourney.  I know you, and all the posters want that as well.  I also know that this is D1 & Pac 12 hoops.  Results & the expectations are high everywhere.  Comes with the gig.  So when peeps say "hey that other yard over there (possible new coach) is sexy... I get that point but who really knows?  There are no guarantees someone else is better or worse. Beauty in sports with that.  But all this discussion is FAIR in a win-loss business No... he stated fans said "ANY" coach would be ok. âsemminglyâ... (sic)
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 4, 2020 17:00:39 GMT -8
18 of those 21 was due to 1 season. You and I have argued back and forth on how badly Robinson had left the next coach, and I've showed you facts, like Tinkle inherited 0 regular starters, the top scorer Tinkle inherited averaged 4 points a game (none of the others averaged 3), and none of the inherited players had 3 years of eligibility left. That said, I expect the Beavs to be competing for a post season berth this year and if they don't get one Tinkle should have a hot seat. However, we should take a thoughtful look at why this program is in the shape it's in. We had a popular President's brother as head coach and despite the publicity it got the program his last 2 classes were pretty much complete misses. It may be more than who's the coach. There are coach's names being thrown around in this thread that haven't had the success at the same level as Tinkle had. My thinking is, the season is young, it needs to play through the first half of league play before freaking out. We've got recruiting going on and loud negative presences on social media don't necessarily help. My thinking is IF Tinkle is replaced AFTER the season has played out, I'd think it would be wise to invest in the program and bring a truly successful power 5 coach in -like OSU did when they brought in Miller. These days I can't think of any that would actually come here off the top of my head. Tinkle is the best we've had going the othr route. You can spout any type of inherited BS you want. The fact is that CR recruited players were key to the first two seasons. They are what WT hasn't been able to duplicate since... DEPTH... of any kind. You and others want to compare WT to CR yet forget CR didn't have his three best recruits being sons of staff! WT's recruiting, player development, retention of talent to develop depth is a joke. TT's injury is a constant crutch for supporters. WT had two full recruiting classes to get some kind of depth... any kind. Yet when CR's players were gone (chose not to return) the bench was empty. Teams face key injuries each season and most don't fold and go 5-27. The other excuse/crutch is stating WT is the best since Ralph. Hmmmm... everyone agrees "since Ralph" has been crap. So... being better than crap seems acceptable to most WT supporters. The season is young, 17 more league games and the Pac12 tourney. All the detractors point out is that 13 games in (vs crap teams), this team shows zero real differences to the last two seasons. That for the most part players are not better, are under utilized, and there is no development of a bench. Couple that with very mediocre Pac12 level recruiting, every criticism mentioned is warranted. He's not shown any true indication to be the coach top lead this program to consistent success. Fans should expect more than what is being shown. And, he should never have been given the last extension.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 4, 2020 17:16:39 GMT -8
Can anyone look at the roster for next year and say this is an NCAA tourney team? If Thompson comes back they will be mediocre at best and if he leaves early they will likely finish near the bottom of the conference. The future looks bleak.
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Post by beavsinorange on Jan 4, 2020 17:23:47 GMT -8
18 of those 21 was due to 1 season. You and I have argued back and forth on how badly Robinson had left the next coach, and I've showed you facts, like Tinkle inherited 0 regular starters, the top scorer Tinkle inherited averaged 4 points a game (none of the others averaged 3), and none of the inherited players had 3 years of eligibility left. That said, I expect the Beavs to be competing for a post season berth this year and if they don't get one Tinkle should have a hot seat. However, we should take a thoughtful look at why this program is in the shape it's in. We had a popular President's brother as head coach and despite the publicity it got the program his last 2 classes were pretty much complete misses. It may be more than who's the coach. There are coach's names being thrown around in this thread that haven't had the success at the same level as Tinkle had. My thinking is, the season is young, it needs to play through the first half of league play before freaking out. We've got recruiting going on and loud negative presences on social media don't necessarily help. My thinking is IF Tinkle is replaced AFTER the season has played out, I'd think it would be wise to invest in the program and bring a truly successful power 5 coach in -like OSU did when they brought in Miller. These days I can't think of any that would actually come here off the top of my head. Tinkle is the best we've had going the othr route. This is the best post I've read all year. I think it's a good idea to wait to see how the season turns out. Totally agree with everything said here.
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