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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2023 12:26:49 GMT -8
Here's my assessment of the Pac-12 as an Apple+ channel. Say it's $100/year. It sounds annoying, yes. But how many people are sticking with Comcast right now just because they have the Pac-12 Network? Or you have Fubo and are paying an extra $10/mo to get the Pac-12 Network and some channels you don't want? You could potentially lower your regular TV package to remove some of the channels that are just lumped in with whatever package you have to get the Pac-12 Network. Or say you don't do that. Would you pay $4.99 per game to watch? That's cheaper than renting new release movies these days. If you have season tickets, you're probably paying for at least the 4-5 conference road games (assuming non con games are available via other providers). Are you watching any basketball games? Say you watch 10 basketball games. How about baseball? Would you watch one game a series? That's 10 baseball games. I haven't even brought up soccer or volleyball or softball or track or gymnastics. And that's just the OSU games. The cost of an apple Tv subscription is pretty negligible and can most likely be made up by reductions in other services/tv packages we're already paying. I for one would love it if Pac-12 was available on Apple. However, unless the money is very close to what the BigXII is getting, I don't see why AZ/ASU/Utah would stay (assuming they have an open invite). If I'm OSU/WSU, I'm signing up for whatever is offered at this point that keeps the conference viable. Oregon and Washington probably don't see it that way and think they can get a better deal somewhere. Stanford I don't think cares in the least what happens. Cal.....I have no idea where they're head is at. I would seriously be considering if I was OSU/WSU agreeing to take a lesser share of the pie to keep the other schools around at this point. I'd rather take $20M while everyone else is getting $30 than go to the Mountain West and get $10M but be on equal footing with the rest of the conference. If we're cutting $10-20M a year out of the budget, you can probably say goodbye to several assistant coaches and probably a few of the sports as well. only 7 of the 11 MWC schools have baseball. Only 4 have men's soccer (Air Force, SJSU, UNLV play in the WAC, SDSU plays in the PAC). Air Force and Wyoming I believe are the only two with wrestling. I like some of what you say, but I don't like the idea of OSU getting bullied by other schools to take a lesser amount just to keep the conference viable.
We finished the year ranked in the top 25 and are projected to finish well again this year. So kowtowing to the Arizona schools just seems wrong. (And don't forget the other winning sports we have at OSU...baseball, gymnastics, soccer, ladies basketball....)
If anything, the Big 12 and the Big 10 ought to be talking to the Beavers. Oregon State and Washington State are the only two non-AAUs in the Pac-12. The Big Ten does not want us. The Big 12 seems like a more natural fit. Absent just a monster year from football, basketball, or baseball, I do not think that either will be knocking down Oregon State's door. When Oregon State was in dire straits back in 1959, Terry Baker showed up on campus and saved the University. Heisman Trophy-winning quarterbacks and Final Four Point Guards do that. Less than a year after Baker graduated, Oregon State was unanimously in the AAWU and its future was secure for almost 60 years. We need someone like that to step up this year. To quote the great Optimus Prime:  Hopefully, everyone goes out there this year and plays like Oregon State's future is at stake, because it might just be. |
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Post by beavdowg on Aug 2, 2023 12:31:28 GMT -8
Wow, how fortunes have come crashing down! Who would of thought 10 years ago that Oregon State University would be very realistically staring down a demotion in conferences and the dominoes that fall subsequent to that? The whole thing is sad and disappointing to me as an OSU alum. How does a group of "professionals" not have the wisdom or foresight to see this coming and do something proactively to position the conference more strongly? And, how does the OSU powers-that-be not see their sad but realistic position in the landscape and do something proactively to better position themselves? Just so disappointing all around. At my core I can't stand being in this, more or less, helpless position.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 2, 2023 12:42:13 GMT -8
Multiple media outlets are reporting that the B10 are in preliminary talks to possibly add UO and UW and possibly Stanford and Cal if they decide to go to 20. Once Arizona and possibly ASU are gone the vultures will be circling to pick over the carcass of what was once the Pac12.
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Post by ftd on Aug 2, 2023 12:46:59 GMT -8
My estate planning has a certain % going to OSU and the same % going to OSU athletics....gotta rethink the athletics if we get downgraded...Just the way it is
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Post by beavdowg on Aug 2, 2023 12:51:28 GMT -8
So, since the writing is on the wall for the Pac-whatever, does the conference just dissolve or do they reinvent themselves by keeping OSU and WSU and filling in the lost schools with other ones to get back up to 10 or 12?
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Post by ftd on Aug 2, 2023 12:54:03 GMT -8
So, since the writing is on the wall for the Pac-whatever, does the conference just dissolve or do they reinvent themselves by keeping OSU and WSU and filling in the lost schools with other ones to get back up to 10 or 12? I saw we poach the best of the MWC...lots of big markets and good programs in the west...meaning doing the right thing travel wise.. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 2, 2023 12:54:24 GMT -8
For way too many years the pac 8, 10, 12 was too pompous. Not looking to the future simply looking at the past.
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Post by nabeav on Aug 2, 2023 13:05:59 GMT -8
I like some of what you say, but I don't like the idea of OSU getting bullied by other schools to take a lesser amount just to keep the conference viable.
We finished the year ranked in the top 25 and are projected to finish well again this year. So kowtowing to the Arizona schools just seems wrong. (And don't forget the other winning sports we have at OSU...baseball, gymnastics, soccer, ladies basketball....)
If anything, the Big 12 and the Big 10 ought to be talking to the Beavers.
100% I agree, but we don't have a standing invite (allegedly) from the Big XII and they do. Our school sits in the wrong place geographically to matter much to anyone at this point. About as far west as you can go, in an area of relatively sparse population with a history of success in sports people don't watch on TV. Oregon would be in the same boat if one of their alums didn't happen to found the most influential company in sports. A lot of these things are out of our control, and it sucks. Option 1 for me right now is keeping the PAC together. If that means taking a pay cut, do it. Option 2 is telling the Big XII you'll come for $25M/yr...if they hesitate, say you're good with $20M Option 3 is whatever it takes to get the B1G to take us (if they move on Oregon/WA). Whatever they offer, say yes, with the agreement that when their current contract expires, we get a more representative share. Option 4 is cobbling together the best of whatever's left out west and forming a new conference. This probably means the death of some sports, to be replaced by "cheaper" sport options: men's soccer, its larger roster and field that needs to be constantly maintained is probably replaced by beach volleyball or tennis or something with fewer athletes and less facility maintenance. Option 5 is go independent. I have no idea how this works, if it is even feasible. I have a hard time believing BNN (Beaver Nation Network) would ever garner more than 100,000 subscribers, but maybe if you can cobble together the world's most difficult schedule against the blue bloods every year? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 2, 2023 13:11:50 GMT -8
Poach the best of the MWC? Putting lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. Maybe the MWC doesn't want us.
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Post by easyheat on Aug 2, 2023 13:50:02 GMT -8
In today's world of college athletics, there are two opposing situations.
The quick and the dead.
The PAC-12 leadership wasn't quick.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Aug 2, 2023 13:53:26 GMT -8
So, it appears the following will eventually happen.
UA, ASU and Utah to the Big12
UO, UW and possibly Stanford and Cal to the B10
OSU`and WSU to the Moutain West?
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Post by sparty on Aug 2, 2023 13:58:52 GMT -8
So, it appears the following will eventually happen. UA, ASU and Utah to the Big12 UO, UW and possibly Stanford and Cal to the B10 OSU`and WSU to the Moutain West? Seems to be the direction things are headed at this point. |
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Post by nabeav on Aug 2, 2023 14:01:50 GMT -8
We gotta figure out how to convince the B1G that us and Wazzu are better for them than Stanford/Cal
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2023 14:17:49 GMT -8
So, since the writing is on the wall for the Pac-whatever, does the conference just dissolve or do they reinvent themselves by keeping OSU and WSU and filling in the lost schools with other ones to get back up to 10 or 12? If the Pac-12 falls below six teams at any point, the conference dissolves. The conference survives, if six teams remain at every point. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 2, 2023 14:18:32 GMT -8
We gotta figure out how to convince the B1G that us and Wazzu are better for them than Stanford/Cal 0% chance, unless there is like a huge earthquake or something. Even then, the B1G does not want us. They would rather start trying to gut the ACC. |
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