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Post by mb on Jul 12, 2022 21:37:06 GMT -8
A proud, unapologetic IPA snob, here. Block 15 and Boneyard do it as well (better than most) as anyone. Sipping on a “Sticky Hands” as I post. Have you given Ft George a try? Their Vortex is similar to Sticky Hands and they do collaboration IPA's with 2 other random smaller breweries a couple of times a year. You've probably seen/had them: 3-way IPA. MB. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Jul 13, 2022 7:38:36 GMT -8
A proud, unapologetic IPA snob, here. Block 15 and Boneyard do it as well (better than most) as anyone. Sipping on a “Sticky Hands” as I post. Have you given Ft George a try? Their Vortex is similar to Sticky Hands and they do collaboration IPA's with 2 other random smaller breweries a couple of times a year. You've probably seen/had them: 3-way IPA. MB. Yessir. Like FT George, very much. The two I put above the rest just have a little XTRA sumpin to me. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 13, 2022 7:41:06 GMT -8
I, my wife and friends have all really got into hazy IPAs the last few years. Fort George has two different 3 Ways right now, the hazier of the two is very good, haven’t tried the more traditional IPA yet. Fort George is one of the best all-round breweries in the state, it’s a great place to visit if one finds their actual tasting room (they have two other bars that aren’t as tucked away). Block 15 is great for IPAs. They did a collaboration hazy with Coldfire a couple months back which was especially good.
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Post by castorcanadensis on Aug 1, 2023 13:25:06 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Aug 1, 2023 16:51:22 GMT -8
The comments are pretty harsh. Pac 9 gets no respect at all. Which just goes to prove that the average fan is just flat dumb.
Yes, I'm an average fan.
Still, there are more important things to worry about. I'm pretty sure the Pac will survive. We'll see a deal before long and it will include 3-4 new teams. And all of the teams will be an improvement over Colorado. lol |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 1, 2023 20:26:38 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 1, 2023 21:25:56 GMT -8
Unfortunately "power conference" doesn't equal TVs or viewership. That's what they pay for... total eyes. And, rankings aren't going to draw nationally unless there is a significance to them... a consistency. In those 4 of 9 a couple have recent consistency but relatively tiny markets overall. No matter our rankings those 9 aren't drawing 5, 6, 7+ million viewers... unless they are playing a Georgia or tOSU etc. Sadly, there is no possible additions that will bring enough eyes to make this conference have a great media deal. And, to me what makes it worse... the "9" plus ?? are a better league than the B12 all day long. |
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Post by jbjam on Aug 2, 2023 2:30:26 GMT -8
Unfortunately "power conference" doesn't equal TVs or viewership. That's what they pay for... total eyes. And, rankings aren't going to draw nationally unless there is a significance to them... a consistency. In those 4 of 9 a couple have recent consistency but relatively tiny markets overall. No matter our rankings those 9 aren't drawing 5, 6, 7+ million viewers... unless they are playing a Georgia or tOSU etc. Sadly, there is no possible additions that will bring enough eyes to make this conference have a great media deal. And, to me what makes it worse... the "9" plus ?? are a better league than the B12 all day long. Name (4) teams in the B12 that are pulling in 5, 6, 7+ million viewers. Most prime time programs don’t clock those numbers. The demos from those states aren’t good either. The PAC demos are top heavy with 100k+ households. That is what advertisers pay for. I selected (4) random saturdays from last year in nov and October. The pac 12 beat the big 12 every weekend in ratings except for one weekend: KANSAS ST/TCU Beat WASHINGTON/CALIFORNIA 1.5 to 1.3… you know which one advertisers would rather spend money on? Which areas have more disposable income? The great state of Kansas or Washington and California… Now Texas and Oklahoma pull big numbers but they’re gone. Reach Berkley households or Kansas and TCU. The incomes aren’t even close. |
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Grad Year: Should’ve been 1991. Actual…..2006. Beer derailed me.
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Post by sessbeav on Aug 2, 2023 7:34:59 GMT -8
Got to love it!! A television/streaming thread that evolves into a "what are you drinking?" thread  Cheers!! Go Beavs!! C'mon!!! Let's go to The Beaver Hut for Dimers!! |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 2, 2023 8:34:09 GMT -8
Unfortunately "power conference" doesn't equal TVs or viewership. That's what they pay for... total eyes. And, rankings aren't going to draw nationally unless there is a significance to them... a consistency. In those 4 of 9 a couple have recent consistency but relatively tiny markets overall. No matter our rankings those 9 aren't drawing 5, 6, 7+ million viewers... unless they are playing a Georgia or tOSU etc. Sadly, there is no possible additions that will bring enough eyes to make this conference have a great media deal. And, to me what makes it worse... the "9" plus ?? are a better league than the B12 all day long. Name (4) teams in the B12 that are pulling in 5, 6, 7+ million viewers. Most prime time programs don’t clock those numbers. The demos from those states aren’t good either. The PAC demos are top heavy with 100k+ households. That is what advertisers pay for. I selected (4) random saturdays from last year in nov and October. The pac 12 beat the big 12 every weekend in ratings except for one weekend: KANSAS ST/TCU Beat WASHINGTON/CALIFORNIA 1.5 to 1.3… you know which one advertisers would rather spend money on? Which areas have more disposable income? The great state of Kansas or Washington and California… Now Texas and Oklahoma pull big numbers but they’re gone. Reach Berkley households or Kansas and TCU. The incomes aren’t even close. Lol... did I state the B12 was a power conference? Did you read my last paragraph? My response is rankings don't determine media deals. And, the B12 at 13, 14+ teams brings more eyes and a market that watches more football. And, they were smart enough to extend their current deal not start from scratch. And, I do know which area the media, hence advertisers, want to spend their $. Have you seen who and how much the B12's supposed extention is worth? Then look at what the Pac 9 has in hand? |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 2, 2023 9:48:37 GMT -8
A proud, unapologetic IPA snob, here. Block 15 and Boneyard do it as well (better than most) as anyone. Sipping on a “Sticky Hands” as I post. Have you given Ft George a try? Their Vortex is similar to Sticky Hands and they do collaboration IPA's with 2 other random smaller breweries a couple of times a year. You've probably seen/had them: 3-way IPA. MB. Ft George is one of my favorite breweries! Other current faves include, Pfriem, Backwoods, Breakside,Little Beast,and of course Block 15. We typically do a brewery thing every summer.....usually in Portland. For you guys who like Hazys, GoodLife has a hazy pale called Sippy Cup, and it's pretty dang good! I'm more of traditional IPA guy myself.....I like crisp, bright, and aromatic. |
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Post by nabeav on Aug 2, 2023 10:33:51 GMT -8
Here's my assessment of the Pac-12 as an Apple+ channel.
Say it's $100/year. It sounds annoying, yes.
But how many people are sticking with Comcast right now just because they have the Pac-12 Network? Or you have Fubo and are paying an extra $10/mo to get the Pac-12 Network and some channels you don't want? You could potentially lower your regular TV package to remove some of the channels that are just lumped in with whatever package you have to get the Pac-12 Network.
Or say you don't do that. Would you pay $4.99 per game to watch? That's cheaper than renting new release movies these days.
If you have season tickets, you're probably paying for at least the 4-5 conference road games (assuming non con games are available via other providers). Are you watching any basketball games? Say you watch 10 basketball games. How about baseball? Would you watch one game a series? That's 10 baseball games. I haven't even brought up soccer or volleyball or softball or track or gymnastics.
And that's just the OSU games.
The cost of an apple Tv subscription is pretty negligible and can most likely be made up by reductions in other services/tv packages we're already paying.
I for one would love it if Pac-12 was available on Apple. However, unless the money is very close to what the BigXII is getting, I don't see why AZ/ASU/Utah would stay (assuming they have an open invite). If I'm OSU/WSU, I'm signing up for whatever is offered at this point that keeps the conference viable. Oregon and Washington probably don't see it that way and think they can get a better deal somewhere. Stanford I don't think cares in the least what happens. Cal.....I have no idea where they're head is at.
I would seriously be considering if I was OSU/WSU agreeing to take a lesser share of the pie to keep the other schools around at this point. I'd rather take $20M while everyone else is getting $30 than go to the Mountain West and get $10M but be on equal footing with the rest of the conference.
If we're cutting $10-20M a year out of the budget, you can probably say goodbye to several assistant coaches and probably a few of the sports as well.
only 7 of the 11 MWC schools have baseball. Only 4 have men's soccer (Air Force, SJSU, UNLV play in the WAC, SDSU plays in the PAC). Air Force and Wyoming I believe are the only two with wrestling.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 2, 2023 10:40:37 GMT -8
Here's my assessment of the Pac-12 as an Apple+ channel. Say it's $100/year. It sounds annoying, yes. But how many people are sticking with Comcast right now just because they have the Pac-12 Network? Or you have Fubo and are paying an extra $10/mo to get the Pac-12 Network and some channels you don't want? You could potentially lower your regular TV package to remove some of the channels that are just lumped in with whatever package you have to get the Pac-12 Network. Or say you don't do that. Would you pay $4.99 per game to watch? That's cheaper than renting new release movies these days. If you have season tickets, you're probably paying for at least the 4-5 conference road games (assuming non con games are available via other providers). Are you watching any basketball games? Say you watch 10 basketball games. How about baseball? Would you watch one game a series? That's 10 baseball games. I haven't even brought up soccer or volleyball or softball or track or gymnastics. And that's just the OSU games. The cost of an apple Tv subscription is pretty negligible and can most likely be made up by reductions in other services/tv packages we're already paying. I for one would love it if Pac-12 was available on Apple. However, unless the money is very close to what the BigXII is getting, I don't see why AZ/ASU/Utah would stay (assuming they have an open invite). If I'm OSU/WSU, I'm signing up for whatever is offered at this point that keeps the conference viable. Oregon and Washington probably don't see it that way and think they can get a better deal somewhere. Stanford I don't think cares in the least what happens. Cal.....I have no idea where they're head is at. I would seriously be considering if I was OSU/WSU agreeing to take a lesser share of the pie to keep the other schools around at this point. I'd rather take $20M while everyone else is getting $30 than go to the Mountain West and get $10M but be on equal footing with the rest of the conference. If we're cutting $10-20M a year out of the budget, you can probably say goodbye to several assistant coaches and probably a few of the sports as well. only 7 of the 11 MWC schools have baseball. Only 4 have men's soccer (Air Force, SJSU, UNLV play in the WAC, SDSU plays in the PAC). Air Force and Wyoming I believe are the only two with wrestling. I agree that taking a lesser sum in a P5 would be better than being in MWC. Success at the highest level would bridge the gap. We need to keep momentum going in football. Our recruiting right now is the best it's ever been, and looks to be sustainable under Smith. That means EVERYTHING for our AD. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 2, 2023 10:53:22 GMT -8
Here's my assessment of the Pac-12 as an Apple+ channel. Say it's $100/year. It sounds annoying, yes. But how many people are sticking with Comcast right now just because they have the Pac-12 Network? Or you have Fubo and are paying an extra $10/mo to get the Pac-12 Network and some channels you don't want? You could potentially lower your regular TV package to remove some of the channels that are just lumped in with whatever package you have to get the Pac-12 Network. Or say you don't do that. Would you pay $4.99 per game to watch? That's cheaper than renting new release movies these days. If you have season tickets, you're probably paying for at least the 4-5 conference road games (assuming non con games are available via other providers). Are you watching any basketball games? Say you watch 10 basketball games. How about baseball? Would you watch one game a series? That's 10 baseball games. I haven't even brought up soccer or volleyball or softball or track or gymnastics. And that's just the OSU games. The cost of an apple Tv subscription is pretty negligible and can most likely be made up by reductions in other services/tv packages we're already paying. I for one would love it if Pac-12 was available on Apple. However, unless the money is very close to what the BigXII is getting, I don't see why AZ/ASU/Utah would stay (assuming they have an open invite). If I'm OSU/WSU, I'm signing up for whatever is offered at this point that keeps the conference viable. Oregon and Washington probably don't see it that way and think they can get a better deal somewhere. Stanford I don't think cares in the least what happens. Cal.....I have no idea where they're head is at. I would seriously be considering if I was OSU/WSU agreeing to take a lesser share of the pie to keep the other schools around at this point. I'd rather take $20M while everyone else is getting $30 than go to the Mountain West and get $10M but be on equal footing with the rest of the conference. If we're cutting $10-20M a year out of the budget, you can probably say goodbye to several assistant coaches and probably a few of the sports as well. only 7 of the 11 MWC schools have baseball. Only 4 have men's soccer (Air Force, SJSU, UNLV play in the WAC, SDSU plays in the PAC). Air Force and Wyoming I believe are the only two with wrestling. We cannot drop sports if we want to remain an NCAA division I school. We are hovering right above the minimum requirement. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 2, 2023 11:46:02 GMT -8
Here's my assessment of the Pac-12 as an Apple+ channel. Say it's $100/year. It sounds annoying, yes. But how many people are sticking with Comcast right now just because they have the Pac-12 Network? Or you have Fubo and are paying an extra $10/mo to get the Pac-12 Network and some channels you don't want? You could potentially lower your regular TV package to remove some of the channels that are just lumped in with whatever package you have to get the Pac-12 Network. Or say you don't do that. Would you pay $4.99 per game to watch? That's cheaper than renting new release movies these days. If you have season tickets, you're probably paying for at least the 4-5 conference road games (assuming non con games are available via other providers). Are you watching any basketball games? Say you watch 10 basketball games. How about baseball? Would you watch one game a series? That's 10 baseball games. I haven't even brought up soccer or volleyball or softball or track or gymnastics. And that's just the OSU games. The cost of an apple Tv subscription is pretty negligible and can most likely be made up by reductions in other services/tv packages we're already paying. I for one would love it if Pac-12 was available on Apple. However, unless the money is very close to what the BigXII is getting, I don't see why AZ/ASU/Utah would stay (assuming they have an open invite). If I'm OSU/WSU, I'm signing up for whatever is offered at this point that keeps the conference viable. Oregon and Washington probably don't see it that way and think they can get a better deal somewhere. Stanford I don't think cares in the least what happens. Cal.....I have no idea where they're head is at. I would seriously be considering if I was OSU/WSU agreeing to take a lesser share of the pie to keep the other schools around at this point. I'd rather take $20M while everyone else is getting $30 than go to the Mountain West and get $10M but be on equal footing with the rest of the conference. If we're cutting $10-20M a year out of the budget, you can probably say goodbye to several assistant coaches and probably a few of the sports as well. only 7 of the 11 MWC schools have baseball. Only 4 have men's soccer (Air Force, SJSU, UNLV play in the WAC, SDSU plays in the PAC). Air Force and Wyoming I believe are the only two with wrestling. I like some of what you say, but I don't like the idea of OSU getting bullied by other schools to take a lesser amount just to keep the conference viable.
We finished the year ranked in the top 25 and are projected to finish well again this year. So kowtowing to the Arizona schools just seems wrong. (And don't forget the other winning sports we have at OSU...baseball, gymnastics, soccer, ladies basketball....)
If anything, the Big 12 and the Big 10 ought to be talking to the Beavers.
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